Remember that 2 snapcasters for 1 jace aot deal that you told me was bad?

Do we got nuts and stock up? or do we laugh it off?

Cheers

I mean, zeckk called me stupid and said that Scavenging Ooze was taking over for Tarmogoyf in the formats. But Delver is still using Goyf and spent the summer making a lot of T8's in that configuration.

At the end of the day, no one is going to be able to tell you the future for certain. If you have an instinct, go for it. You're responsible for whatever you do no matter what anyone says in the forums.

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I don't recall scavenging ooze ever coming up in that thread, so choco can chill out Though Deathrite shaman definitely pushed another "goyf over ooze" deck back into the top tier i.e. BUG/Team America.

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That's called MTG Sally, I believe.

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Originally posted by thror:
No, he means this thread http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/027468.html

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I mean I remember how many people wanted to trade for my Thunderma's at $15 when he went low but I had a feeling he would go back up and look at him now...

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
This thread, I assume? http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/025635.html

I don't recall scavenging ooze ever coming up in that thread, so choco can chill out Though Deathrite shaman definitely pushed another "goyf over ooze" deck back into the top tier i.e. BUG/Team America.

But yeah, daner was pretty hard on Chapin's nuts about Jace, which looks pretty silly in retrospect.

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You just bring my name up to start a fight? Or do you have something insightful to say?

I still stand by my thoughts on it's the best pw in Standard, and it's the best pw since Jace 2.0....right now the meta has shifted far away from pw's in general.

It's almost the end of December and nobody knows what the best deck is....

I think Jace, AOT is at a all time low. It's a great buy @ $13 and good trade @ $17-18.

Gatecrash could very easily throw U/B contol back into the mix, or Esper Control. Or BUG control.

Not to mention we still have Block constructed...dunno if you've played any block yet, but I can tell you right now Jace is a house.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
jace a 4-mana divination.

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I hope you realize how wrong this is. The extra card is huge, and getting yourself something that you need by choice is even better.

I have a feeling Jace will be a good $30-40 in the long run. Let's not forget about Gatecrash and Dragons Maze. Let's not forget about block constructed, and surely not forget about Jace's standard legality for a LONG time. Who knows what the next block will bring?

Abrupt Decay could also bounce back a few bucks (and not be so god damn low like it is now for some reason).

At this point in time last year, Geist of St. Traft was ~$10 and trending down. He was released and dropped in price. Brian Sondag winning a SCG with Kessig/Inkmoth+Primeval didn't help. 3rd turn Geist doesn't race a turn 4 Primeval and those decks played 4x Slagstorm. But we see what price Geist is now. Standard changes.

The thing about mtg is that it's not as easy to short over-priced or downtrending cards; especially compared to the relative ease in speculating on a cheap card. If you want to be bold and stock up, easy. If you want to be bold and short, not so easy.

Even if Jace doesn't come around, it's tough to see him at the "cheap" some of the other walkers have dipped down into. He is a Jace after all, even Memory Adept isn't "cheap."

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Originally posted by Zeckk:

Mmmm I was definitely a little aggressive in that one. The point itself is moot now, considering that Deathrite wasn't a consideration back in June.

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Whatever...Ooze never came close to replacing Goyf in RUG Delver even back in June. And this is even before Deathrite, so Deathrite is moot.

It has nothing to do with Ooze being pushed out. Goyf is just a better blue card.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
No one outside of MTGO is playing block, because block isn't a PT format this year. And Puffing up your chest doesn't change that fact that you were wildly incorrect about Jace's price path in addition to his playability in the format. As was stated in that thread multiple times, he's a niche card for control decks to use against other control decks. It's actually going to take quite a bit to get Jace outside of that role right now, considering the sheer number of plays that make jace a 4-mana divination.

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Why are you pooping all over block when one of your basic tenets in determining future value is success in block constructed.

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On Jace AoT, no one can tell you the future for sure. We can only look at the past.

At this point in time last year, Geist of St. Traft was ~$10 and trending down. He was released and dropped in price. Brian Sondag winning a SCG with Kessig/Inkmoth+Primeval didn't help. 3rd turn Geist doesn't race a turn 4 Primeval and those decks played 4x Slagstorm. But we see what price Geist is now. Standard changes.

The thing about mtg is that it's not as easy to short over-priced or downtrending cards; especially compared to the relative ease in speculating on a cheap card. If you want to be bold and stock up, easy. If you want to be bold and short, not so easy.

Even if Jace doesn't come around, it's tough to see him at the "cheap" some of the other walkers have dipped down into. He is a Jace after all, even Memory Adept isn't "cheap."

Whatever...Ooze never came close to replacing Goyf in RUG Delver even back in June. And this is even before Deathrite, so Deathrite is moot.

It has nothing to do with Ooze being pushed out. Goyf is just a better blue card.

Why are you pooping all over block when one of your basic tenets in determining future value is success in block constructed.

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You were definitely correct about goyf being better in the blue-based tempo decks. Even the winning Junk lists from a couple weeks ago were running 4 goyfs along with only 1-2 oozes, though deathrite makes that deckbuilding strategy much more flexible. I can't really say deathrite is replacing ooze in the BUG lists, because BUG simply wouldn't exist back at tier 1 if deathrite didn't exist.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
No one outside of MTGO is playing block, because block isn't a PT format this year. And Puffing up your chest doesn't change that fact that you were wildly incorrect about Jace's price path in addition to his playability in the format. As was stated in that thread multiple times, he's a niche card for control decks to use against other control decks. It's actually going to take quite a bit to get Jace outside of that role right now, considering the sheer number of plays that make jace a 4-mana divination.

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Puffing out my chest? Ok kid. Throw some more people under the bus next time your wrong again. At least I'll admit right now it looks real bad for my argument. I just don't deflect the subject to someone else.

All it could take is a few cards from GC to send Jace back up to 2-3x his current price, when a lot of cards you mentioned could be argued they are as high as they are going to go.

Look at the GoST argument. He was $20, then $10, now $30+.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
whos cares what hes worth right now. When jace was $50 and snaps were $15, I certianly would have did 2 snaps for a jace. I'd have flipped that jace within days too. If you sit on cards for value I'm not sure how to tell you, but your strategy is flawed. If you keep cards for playing with, then it doesn't matter. If jace is $100 or $10, you're not selling it so it doesn't have any real value.

I had a foil delver deck I played right up til rotation, I went down w/ the ship on my scars duals. I could have sold them long before that, but then I wouldn't have owned them to use. Same deal...

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Puffing out my chest? Ok kid. Throw some more people under the bus next time your wrong again. At least I'll admit right now it looks real bad for my argument. I just don't deflect the subject to someone else.

All it could take is a few cards from GC to send Jace back up to 2-3x his current price, when a lot of cards you mentioned could be argued they are as high as they are going to go.

Look at the GoST argument. He was $20, then $10, now $30+.

I'll stand by Jace. It's still the best pw in standard. Control is just down atm.

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Primal hunter is the best walker in standard, period. That's not even debatable. And it doesn't really matter what price aristocrat or thundermaw are at, their simple existence is what keeps jace from being more than a control vs. control card. Sphinx's Revelation is a much better CA engine, and that's reflected by the fact that people are jamming revelation into a host of midrange decks.

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Originally posted by ardeay:
I posted a while back about how this guy was over priced, I caught a lot of flak for it. Now you can pick him up for a third of his original price, people are offering $13 for him in the buy forums. Man im happy I traded all mine away at $50.

Remember that 2 snapcasters for 1 jace aot deal that you told me was bad?

Do we got nuts and stock up? or do we laugh it off?

Cheers

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Primal hunter is the best walker in standard, period. That's not even debatable.

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Seriously?

He is barely better than Tibalt, lol. Awkward mana cost, easy to remove, doesn't do much to the board. Also, clearly fails the Aristrocrat/Hellkite test.

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Originally posted by Link139232:
Seriously?

He is barely better than Tibalt, lol. Awkward mana cost, easy to remove, doesn't do much to the board. Also, clearly fails the Aristrocrat/Hellkite test.

I would rather have cards in hand aside from a beast token, personally. If using Garruk's draw ability, you need to have something on the board already, where Jace does not.

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You clearly do not keep up with standard.

Garruk sees way more play than Jace does.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
You clearly do not keep up with standard.

Garruk sees way more play than Jace does.

Hell, Jace AoT isn't even the best jace in the format.

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Jace AoT is LEAGUES better than Jace MA.

Also, I know Jace doesn't see play much currently, doesn't mean Garruk is better.