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Topic: Why is Tarmogoyf so expensive?
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GremCards
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posted June 19, 2012 12:22 PM
      
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I mean It's a good card, but I don't quite understand why it's so ungodly expensive. I'll spare you the "dies to doom blade" arguement, but it just doesn't seem like that powerful of a card.
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john778
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posted June 19, 2012 12:45 PM
It's the best blue creature ever printed :P
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fluffycow
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posted June 19, 2012 12:55 PM
 
It's one of these cards that has to kick your behind before you can get behind it. Bad pun? Like rishadan port and arc slugger
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Aznopium
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posted June 19, 2012 01:07 PM
if this was a serious question...It's simple: Undercosted for what it gives you. 1G for a possible 3/4, 4/5 or 5/6? Yep, that's pretty much it.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Aznopium on June 19, 2012]
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sigfig8
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posted June 19, 2012 01:25 PM
Is it possible through power creep that Tarmogoyf eventually becomes outclassed? i.e. should we be selling ours if we're not using them?
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southparker2002
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posted June 19, 2012 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by john778:
It's the best blue creature ever printed :P
blue??????
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runtru1
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posted June 19, 2012 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by southparker2002:
blue??????
I think he was refferring to it's versatility.
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2austin5
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posted June 19, 2012 02:18 PM
There are some rumors that it will appear in RTR, because it was in future sight. With wizards pushing modern, do you think we see tarmogoyf?
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flophaus
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posted June 19, 2012 02:23 PM
I could see a reprint happening.
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chapman24
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posted June 19, 2012 02:29 PM
with the level of creatures they are printing now goyf is a vary fair card in Standard, its not like he's a 3/2 flier for 1 blue mana or a snapcaster, compared to those he's just a big vanilla dude
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Zeckk
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posted June 19, 2012 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by sigfig8:
Is it possible through power creep that Tarmogoyf eventually becomes outclassed? i.e. should we be selling ours if we're not using them?
That's already happened in some instances, namely scavenging ooze taking over a LOT of goyf slots in legacy lists.
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choco man
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posted June 19, 2012 04:23 PM
How come Goyf doesn't seem like a powerful card?It's a lynch pin for a lot of powerful/successful decks. When a creature gets played in Vintage, that should mean something. quote:
Originally posted by chapman24:
with the level of creatures they are printing now goyf is a vary fair card in Standard, its not like he's a 3/2 flier for 1 blue mana or a snapcaster, compared to those he's just a big vanilla dude
Sometimes a big dude is better than a smallest dude that maybe turns into a smaller flyer. It's the same concept of how Moat just neutralizes an entire deck. Tarmogoyf neutralizes a lot of creatures. "Just a big vanilla dude"...You sound like the OP. quote:
Originally posted by Zeckk:
That's already happened in some instances, namely scavenging ooze taking over a LOT of goyf slots in legacy lists.
I think this is largely a misunderstanding. Ooze and Goyf are two different cards and function differently. It's just that Ooze is a new card compared to Goyf. And since Green decks never had the previous option to play it, now they are switching over. Ooze is a Green card, Goyf is a Blue card. That is why their prices are different for now. Decks that play Goyf now aren't going to be playing Ooze.
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CubFan81
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posted June 19, 2012 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by 2austin5:
There are some rumors that it will appear in RTR, because it was in future sight. With wizards pushing modern, do you think we see tarmogoyf?
No and no, and again...no. Just because a card was futureshifted in Future Sight does not mean that it WILL be reprinted. It only represented possible futures. For example a card like Goldmeadow Lookout could only have been reprinted in Lorwyn block and it wasn't. Now that doesn't mean it can't in a possible return to Lorwyn but a number of people at Wizards has stated numerous times that Goyf was a mistake at 1G and wouldn't be reprinted in a standard legal set. I could see a Judge foil in the style of Sword of Fire and Ice (Classic Frame) happening, though that would have a negligible impact on the price of regular Goyfs.
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2austin5
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posted June 19, 2012 07:30 PM
I didn't say it would, I just said that maybe it was possible, which is why it is a rumor
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thror
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posted June 19, 2012 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by 2austin5:
I didn't say it would, I just said that maybe it was possible, which is why it is a rumor
Wotc stated goyf was a mistake and they arent interested in printing him for Standard again. One go around was enough. Yes, goyf is a BLUE card. It is a cheap, splashable, highly impactful card that we can cast while leaving mana up for our instants too. 2 mana for a 5/6 is PERFECT. He comes down (early if need be), gums up the board, lets us grind advantage out, and then kills you quickly when we want to get the job done. __________________
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CubFan81
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posted June 19, 2012 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by 2austin5:
I didn't say it would, I just said that maybe it was possible, which is why it is a rumor
I get that, but I was merely pointing out that it needs to stop being a rumor. It was supposed to be in Innistrad because its a graveyard theme, and its going to be in Return to Ravnica because they need it for Modern. They've said that it was a mistake and they won't print it again for Standard. That should be the end of it.
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Zeckk
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posted June 19, 2012 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by choco man:
I think this is largely a misunderstanding. Ooze and Goyf are two different cards and function differently. It's just that Ooze is a new card compared to Goyf. And since Green decks never had the previous option to play it, now they are switching over. Ooze is a Green card, Goyf is a Blue card. That is why their prices are different for now.Decks that play Goyf now aren't going to be playing Ooze.
Sorry, but that kind of reasoning is just idiotic. It's verifiable that existing decks like RUG tempo and Maverick have gone from using goyfs to using scavenging ooze, mainly because ooze tends to beat goyf in a head-to-head comparison against most existing deck archetypes. It's not even really an argument that that meta has changed, though that's certainly a factor. Ooze is simply a better option against most strategies, namely reanimator, tempo, and aggro.
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calvin240sx
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posted June 20, 2012 12:00 AM
^^^^
well put by what seems to be and experienced legacy/vintage player. maybe a bit harsh on the tone tho.
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Lord Crovax
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posted June 20, 2012 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by calvin240sx:
^^^^
well put by what seems to be and experienced legacy/vintage player. maybe a bit harsh on the tone tho.
Seems needed these days...and how do people still not get how Goyf is expensive? It's been out how long? Even new players getting into Legacy or Modern should be able to tell by playing or watching a event or two, which they should be doing if they plan on entering the format. __________________
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MagicPatty
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posted June 20, 2012 03:45 AM
I thought we were gonna get Scavenging Ooze in RTR, like in golgari or something...
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JayC
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posted June 20, 2012 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by john778:
It's the best blue creature ever printed :P
LoLz... enjoyed this response. It's a 2 drop, not even GG but 1G that is typically hitting the board at no less than a 3/4 which makes it, by and far, one of the most undercosted beaters that Magic has ever seen. I highly doubt they will reprtint Goyf but maybe that's simply because as an owner, I don't want them to...
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coasterdude84
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posted June 20, 2012 11:06 AM
I bet they reprint him. Maybe not in RTR, but in the next few blocks. No, I don't say that because he was future-sighted; that's stupid logic. Yes, Wizards has said he was a mistake and will never again see the light of day, but they've said a lot of things in the past where they flip-flopped, so I don't put much stock in that either. I just don't think he's broken given the power level of creatures lately. Given the choice, would you rather I drop a Delver Turn 1 or a Goyf Turn 2? We know he's managable, he doesn't evade, his average stats are 3/4, and he's been mostly replaced by Ooze in Legacy. It's a fair question why he's so expensive anymore.
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gcowhsu
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posted June 20, 2012 11:15 AM
Goyf is still a 4 of in one of the best decks in legacy right now and he's everywhere in Modern.With show and tell/reanimator/sneak attack around I would expect to see more RUG Delver and other blue decks. As noted Goyf is the best blue creature right now.
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mm1983
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posted June 20, 2012 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
As noted Goyf is the best blue creature right now.
Also the best White, Black, and Red creature right now.
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coasterdude84
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posted June 20, 2012 02:02 PM
No, Stoneforge and Bob are the best White and Black creatures.
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