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Topic: New Planeswalker in Gatecrash 2... (spoiler alert)
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MagicPatty Member
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posted January 16, 2013 05:18 AM
  
Gonna be lots of rage quits on modo when someone alpha strikes into Aetherize! I would even imagine it's going to be one of those cards that people play around to the point that you can bluff it... well, not on modo I suppose.__________________ Got Mitotic Manipulation? Firemind's Foresight? Great! I want all bulk rares, check my H/W list!
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theqissilent Member
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posted January 16, 2013 06:01 AM

Aetherize is going to be a bomb in limited. I will almost certainly be going dimir at the prerelease, though orzhov keeps looking better and better. Thespian stage is really cool. It will see constructed play in multiple formats. Legacy lands will love it!
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Goaswerfraiejen Member
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posted January 16, 2013 07:37 AM

Huh. This looks kinda like Hermit Druid, only without summoning sickness:Undercity Informer Creature - Human Rogue 2B 1, Sacrifice a creature: Target player reveals the top card of his or her library until he or she reveals a land card, then puts those cards into his or her graveyard. "Scandal and slander are never welcome news. That's why I'm never the messenger." Illus. Raymand Swanland #82/249 2/3 I could see some potential there in Breakfast-type builds (maybe even Dredge, but it already has plenty of enablers as it is).
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Pail42 Member
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posted January 16, 2013 07:46 AM
  
Any guesses as to what the green "primordial" will do? So far they all do some effect to each opponent.I think it will destroy artifacts and/or enchantments. I tried to think of something land based but nothing I came up with felt good.
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theqissilent Member
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posted January 16, 2013 08:18 AM

Could be destroying lands, though probably nonbasics
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marlo213 Member
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posted January 16, 2013 08:44 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Lord Crovax: Eviction will see play, prob only be a 1-2 of but still.
unplayable
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Bugger Member
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posted January 16, 2013 10:08 AM

quote: Originally posted by marlo213: unplayable
False. I look forward to playing it in the Orzhov guild deck I most certainly will build. 
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thror Member
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posted January 16, 2013 10:23 AM
  
just because it's in your bad deck doesnt mean it's playable.__________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted January 16, 2013 10:32 AM

quote: Originally posted by marlo213: unplayable
lol you keep saying that, and inevitably you will be wrong. Already know people planing on using it, and no not scrubs playing bad decks either. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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Bugger Member
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posted January 16, 2013 10:54 AM

quote: Originally posted by thror: just because it's in your bad deck doesnt mean it's playable.

Are you listening carefully? Every magic card is playable. That's what they're built for. If the only place you could ever use Magic cards was at sanctioned Standard Constructed tournaments, then why yes it would be unplayable. But Magic is a game much much bigger than that. I will admit that I intentionally sidestepped absolute clarity in my statement and played off marlo's (and yours as well) assumptions that "playable" = "playable in sanctioned standard constructed tournaments" to make the point that if you can't see a reason to use it, it wasn't designed for you. I am going to put it in the Orzhov guild deck I'm building because the purpose of that deck is to make the person piloting it feel like the effing Obzedat - tithing spells, board wipes, extortion effects and swiping of creatures from other people's graveyards abounding. What could be better than a card designed exactly to evoke the idea of the Ghost Council using their power to terrifying effect, that has the added benefit of suiting some real gameplay needs my deck might run into? I'm bringing this up not to try to say that you're wrong (I don't play competitive magic. I'm not going to delude myself that my opinion is overly valuable on evaluating cards for competitive magic), but to point out that there are a thousand different kinds of players looking at every card that's been spoiled, and each one of them is looking at it for different reasons. Your unplayable is another man's perfection. Your format changer may be someone else's frightfully boring crap.
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marlo213 Member
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posted January 16, 2013 11:33 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Bugger:
 Are you listening carefully? Every magic card is playable. That's what they're built for. If the only place you could ever use Magic cards was at sanctioned Standard Constructed tournaments, then why yes it would be unplayable. But Magic is a game much much bigger than that. I will admit that I intentionally sidestepped absolute clarity in my statement and played off marlo's (and yours as well) assumptions that "playable" = "playable in sanctioned standard constructed tournaments" to make the point that if you can't see a reason to use it, it wasn't designed for you. I am going to put it in the Orzhov guild deck I'm building because the purpose of that deck is to make the person piloting it feel like the effing Obzedat - tithing spells, board wipes, extortion effects and swiping of creatures from other people's graveyards abounding. What could be better than a card designed exactly to evoke the idea of the Ghost Council using their power to terrifying effect, that has the added benefit of suiting some real gameplay needs my deck might run into? I'm bringing this up not to try to say that you're wrong (I don't play competitive magic. I'm not going to delude myself that my opinion is overly valuable on evaluating cards for competitive magic), but to point out that there are a thousand different kinds of players looking at every card that's been spoiled, and each one of them is looking at it for different reasons. Your unplayable is another man's perfection. Your format changer may be someone else's frightfully boring crap.
We obviously mean constructed. Eviction is casual gold
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bushe Member
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posted January 16, 2013 11:42 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by marlo213: We obviously mean constructed. Eviction is casual gold
Who's "we"? You got a turd in your pocket?
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junichi Moderator
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posted January 16, 2013 11:43 AM
  
I could use a foil Thespian's Stage for my Karn EDH as a 4th locus.  __________________ ****Attention****DO NOT send cards to Jon Strickland, 1971 St.Laurent Blvd Apt 705, Ottawa Ontario, Canada K1G 3P8. He is a known ripper/hacker.
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted January 16, 2013 11:46 AM

quote: Originally posted by junichi: I could use a foil Thespian's Stage for my Karn EDH as a 4th locus. 
I think nearly every EDH could make use of a Foil Thespian's Stage  Such a good card, and I can easily see hit hitting high prices. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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Bagbokk Member
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posted January 16, 2013 03:02 PM

quote: Every magic card is playable. That's what they're built for. If the only place you could ever use Magic cards was at sanctioned Standard Constructed tournaments, then why yes it would be unplayable.
It's fine to make an argument as to why something is playable or not, but jesus christ, I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to make a big deal out of such comments that more than half of this page has been spent on arguing over people's differing opinions of playable based on what they look for in Magic. It's quite obvious that nearly every card is "playable" in some format or another, and it's also quite obvious that when certain people claim that cards are unplayable, they're talking about a certain format or another. I don't see why people need to start identifying which format they're talking about when they say something is playable or not. I don't see many uses for Eviction other than as a sideboard card or something (in standard constructed play). I also think Blind Obedience is an incredible card (in standard constructed play) and that Extort isn't overhyped like Zeckk thinks (in standard constructed play). I'm not going to debate here though.  I'm curious what people think about Orzhov Charm (in standard constructed play). I think it fails at life, personally, but I could be missing something. (See how annoying it would be if I had to identify what format every time I talked about a card just so people don't nitpick about it? Jesus.)
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TimeBeing Member
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posted January 16, 2013 04:15 PM

quote: Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen: Huh. This looks kinda like Hermit Druid, only without summoning sickness:Undercity Informer Creature - Human Rogue 2B 1, Sacrifice a creature: Target player reveals the top card of his or her library until he or she reveals a land card, then puts those cards into his or her graveyard. "Scandal and slander are never welcome news. That's why I'm never the messenger." Illus. Raymand Swanland #82/249 2/3 I could see some potential there in Breakfast-type builds (maybe even Dredge, but it already has plenty of enablers as it is).
I like it, but Hermit druid was Basic Land, so you could build all non-basics and mil your whole deck. This guy is any land, so you would have to go a no land/land light build, like dredge or Belcher. Belcher is faster, but i could see some form of dredge using it.
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Pail42 Member
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posted January 16, 2013 04:21 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Bagbokk: I'm curious what people think about Orzhov Charm (in standard constructed play). I think it fails at life, personally, but I could be missing something.
An enchantment-based weenie deck had two top 8 finishes including the win at the last GP (I think they both played WUG though). Other than black in the cost I think those decks might enjoy this charm. I think it will see play in tournaments for the second and third abilities - much of that will depend on how many good 1CC creatures we see in the remaining cards.
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted January 16, 2013 04:24 PM

quote: Originally posted by Pail42: An enchantment-based weenie deck had two top 8 finishes including the win at the last GP (I think they both played WUG though). Other than black in the cost I think those decks might enjoy this charm.I think it will see play in tournaments for the second and third abilities - much of that will depend on how many good 1CC creatures we see in the remaining cards.
Already have a few B/W 1 drops worth using, so charm will probably see play for Unearth alone. Also SOOO called Unearth being a mode!!! __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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Zeckk Member
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posted January 16, 2013 04:36 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Lord Crovax: Already have a few B/W 1 drops worth using, so charm will probably see play for Unearth alone.Also SOOO called Unearth being a mode!!!
I'm actually interested in the applications for a martyr/deadguy ale modern variant. 2 of the modes are extremely relevant for that deck, with the 3rd mode actually being a synergy with tidehollow sculler, provided you have WWBB.
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted January 16, 2013 09:26 PM

Spark Trooper 1RRW Creature - Elemental Soldier Trample, lifelink, haste At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Spark Trooper. 6/1Duskmantle Seer 2UB Creature - Vampire Wizard Flying At the beginning of your upkeep, each player reveals the top card of his or her library, loses life equal to that card's converted mana cost, then puts it into his or her hand. 4/4
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted January 16, 2013 09:31 PM

Unexpected Results 2UG Sorcery Shuffle, revela top card, if nonland you can cast it for free, if a land put it into play and return ~ to your hand.__________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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marlo213 Member
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posted January 17, 2013 09:04 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: Spark Trooper 1RRW Creature - Elemental Soldier Trample, lifelink, haste At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Spark Trooper. 6/1Duskmantle Seer 2UB Creature - Vampire Wizard Flying At the beginning of your upkeep, each player reveals the top card of his or her library, loses life equal to that card's converted mana cost, then puts it into his or her hand. 4/4
Is there really only one mythic left to spoil? I feel like they really need something cool to push this set
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DConNexus Member
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posted January 17, 2013 11:05 AM
  
Some Simic Elf Mutant mythic. The Realmwright is nice. RtR only had like 3 good mythics.
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Zeckk Member
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posted January 17, 2013 12:39 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by marlo213: Is there really only one mythic left to spoil? I feel like they really need something cool to push this set
Shocklands. Seriously. If the rest of the set sucks, retailers will increase the price of shocks to cover the cost of cracking the boosters. Also, I see boros charm sustaining $1 at least until the next set. There are actually quite a few uncommons that I have my eye on.
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rockondon Member
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posted January 17, 2013 01:17 PM
  
The primordials will be insane in EDH. __________________ |My Angels~My P9 l""|"\__, |~~My #1 Angel~~l'_|'_|_|) |(@)(@)""***|(@)(@)**|(@)
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