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Got stuck with Azorius. But had Boros as my ally *(fist pump)*

Built some odd Azorius/Boros/Izzet American control.
Aggro creatures supported by Runner's Bane/Paralyzing Grasp along with white removal and red burn. Went pretty well.
Went 3-1-1.

Lost first round to Simic/Azorius. Lots of flyers and evolve.
Tied to some Izzet/Dimir... I don't know what to call it.
Won next three rounds against Simic/Golgari, Selesnya/Simic (holy board control, Batman!), and Boros/Orzhov.

'Twas a good day.

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quote:
Originally posted by clanceystorm:
I played an Esper defender deck with Debt to the Deathless as a win con, with back-up plan of Extort/Hired Torturer and went undefeated finishing in first place.

Also, to the guy who said someone was playing Pack Rat, someone in my LGS was also playing a Pack Rat. He went Rakdos with the Gruul ally. SOMEHOW, he had Pack Rat/Dreadbore and Skargg Goliath/Rubblehulk as his rares. This person also happens to be known for cheating on numerous occasions, but with all these stories going around of botched Guild Packs, we are wondering if it is just a coincidence. Seems unlikely to get two botched packs, with one of them having a frigging Pack Rat in it. After my research of the matter, it seems impossible to get Pack Rat, but someone here saw someone else with one.....


The guy Lemon saw with a Pack Rat has cheated on multiple occasions(including the last two pre-releases) also, so I wouldn't doubt he would do it again.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by KGtheLegend:
The guy Lemon saw with a Pack Rat has cheated on multiple occasions(including the last two pre-releases) also, so I wouldn't doubt he would do it again.

Why isn't he banned then?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Why isn't he banned then?

Apparently people are hesitant to call a judge or don't realize what happened until afterwards. Of the three people I personally know it's happened to, only one of them was even suspicious during the match, but wasn't sure so he didn't call a judge. The other two realized after they were done playing and were going over the match in their head. I've had about 3-4 other people, that I don't know that well, tell me about him cheating also.

It's never happened to me while playing him, at least not that I've caught, and I hope it stays that way. I do watch him closely while playing though, I ask him how many cards in hand at the start of every first main phase and every end step since the majority of the stories I've heard are about him drawing extra cards.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by KGtheLegend:
Apparently people are hesitant to call a judge or don't realize what happened until afterwards. Of the three people I personally know it's happened to, only one of them was even suspicious during the match, but wasn't sure so he didn't call a judge. The other two realized after they were done playing and were going over the match in their head. I've had about 3-4 other people, that I don't know that well, tell me about him cheating also.

It's never happened to me while playing him, at least not that I've caught, and I hope it stays that way. I do watch him closely while playing though, I ask him how many cards in hand at the start of every first main phase and every end step since the majority of the stories I've heard are about him drawing extra cards.


Drawing extra cards is a lot easier to catch than adding cards to decks in pre-releases. People have been banned after the fact at stores here for cheating or whatever if it comes up later.

The stakes are so bloody low in pre-releases it's very odd that people would cheat. C'est la vie.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Drawing extra cards is a lot easier to catch than adding cards to decks in pre-releases. People have been banned after the fact at stores here for cheating or whatever if it comes up later.

The stakes are so bloody low in pre-releases it's very odd that people would cheat. C'est la vie.


Well, I think he works for the store, plus the stakes at this pre-release are high, Top 8 split $1100 cash. Still not enough to make me cheat, but not everyone is an honest person.


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quote:
Originally posted by KGtheLegend:
Well, I think he works for the store, plus the stakes at this pre-release are high, Top 8 split $1100 cash. Still not enough to make me cheat, but not everyone is an honest person.

Report the store. And stop going there. Tell everybody you know to stop going there.

 
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I went 4-2 with my Rakdos/Gruul build. Had a Dreadbore and Clan Defiance (nice!) as my guild rares. Also got a Teysa and a Skylasher amongst others.

Lost the first round on double land flood after taking the opening game, then won 9 games in a row before succumbing to a Dimir/Orzhov build by a 1 color-screw and another land flood. I was happy, a good result after not getting distracted by my opponents which were, in order, Bert (Sesame Street), Aurelia (she even had wings on her back, sewn there), ZZ-top, the Mad Hatter, someone appearing strangely normal (never found the quirk), and a shaved-head-but-with-a-ponytail-off-the-side-of-his-head anarchist.

There were a LOT of strange people around. Which is kind of customary when going to magic tournaments, but still, a LOT.

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I ended up going 1-3 in the morning on Saturday, then taking our guild packs and going home instead of playing the second because we had preregistered, but I was pretty sick. I had Gruul/Izzet for my guilds, and ended up playing Boros, splashing blue for a few cards and a few green mana sources just for my foil Progenitor Mimic. Tajic and Mizzium Mortars were my other bombs, although I had Vorel and Mirko Vosk as well, but not enough support for Dimir and almost nothing with counters to make Vorel useful.

At home, Nderwife and I played another event, and my Boros/Golgari deck was pretty nasty. I had Savageborn Hydra with a Zhar-Tal Ancient to make him nice and fat, plus Obzebat's Aid and Luminate Primordial with a Dreadbridge Goliath to throw counters on one of them. Havign a couple of the mana dorks that do damage to an opponent and a Holy Mantle to protect my bombs was nice, too. Luckily, she never dropped her Teysa, as I had no way of dealing with that.

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quote:
Originally posted by KGtheLegend:
...He also had 2 Warleader's Helix, 2 Angelic Edict, and 2 Teleportal....

As with some of the other posters about certain rares your opponent could not have had 2 Angelic Edicts. It would have had to come from his Gatecrash guild pack and there should not have been duplicates.

All that said, WoTC is either really poor or maddeningly inept at collating and sorting. The Rootborn Defenses in an M13 pack, the new Judge Foils showing up on Reddit amongst DGM Promo foils, the Modern Masters Aether Spellbomb from a DGM pack.

My DGM packs were quite disappointing all weekend. I went Boros for one and got Azorius as my ally. Assemble the Legion, Martial Law, Madcap Skills, Holy Mantle, and Ethereal Armor did most of the work. Didn't opening much of note by way of on guild cards in my DGM packs except on Warleader's Helix and Hazaada Snare Squad.

In my second one went Gruul and got paired with Izzet which was a complete train wreck. Didn't open any bloodrush cards except the Slaughterhorn out of the guild pack, and had 4 total red/green/blue creatures out of my DGM packs. Ended up making a Grixis mill deck with Mirko Vos, Doorkeeper, Hired Torturer, and a pair of Murmuring Phantasm. Made it work one round but it was just too thin to keep up.

Ridiculousness of the weekend: Knightly Valor on Ascended Lawmage, a pool with Varolz, the Scar-Striped and Deadbridge Chant, and a pool with Trostani, her summoner, Unflinching Courage, and 2 Bronzebeak Moa.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by CubFan81:
As with some of the other posters about certain rares your opponent could not have had 2 Angelic Edicts. It would have had to come from his Gatecrash guild pack and there should not have been duplicates.

All that said, WoTC is either really poor or maddeningly inept at collating and sorting. The Rootborn Defenses in an M13 pack, the new Judge Foils showing up on Reddit amongst DGM Promo foils, the Modern Masters Aether Spellbomb from a DGM pack.

My DGM packs were quite disappointing all weekend. I went Boros for one and got Azorius as my ally. Assemble the Legion, Martial Law, Madcap Skills, Holy Mantle, and Ethereal Armor did most of the work. Didn't opening much of note by way of on guild cards in my DGM packs except on Warleader's Helix and Hazaada Snare Squad.

In my second one went Gruul and got paired with Izzet which was a complete train wreck. Didn't open any bloodrush cards except the Slaughterhorn out of the guild pack, and had 4 total red/green/blue creatures out of my DGM packs. Ended up making a Grixis mill deck with Mirko Vos, Doorkeeper, Hired Torturer, and a pair of Murmuring Phantasm. Made it work one round but it was just too thin to keep up.

Ridiculousness of the weekend: Knightly Valor on Ascended Lawmage, a pool with Varolz, the Scar-Striped and Deadbridge Chant, and a pool with Trostani, her summoner, Unflinching Courage, and 2 Bronzebeak Moa.



I'm PRETTY sure that the plants from future sets are intentional given it appears to happen 1 time per new set the last 2-3 sets.

 
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I only play EDH nowadays, so I didn't play in any events, but I went to the pre-release anyway to hunt for EDH foils and watched people play.

While observing random people play, I couldn't help noticed certain individual playing extremely tardy. Mr. Tardy had two Tithe Drinkers and another 2/2 in play while his opponent was at six life, so he cast a removal spell to remove his opponent's only blocker and attacked for lethal. His opponent removed one of the attacking creatures during combat, and survived with two life. After combat, Mr. Tardy player proceed to double extort his opponent based on the removal spell he had cast prior to combat phase. I immediately told him to stop, and explained to him he can't do that.

After chatting with a friend for a bit, I went back and watched Mr. Tardy play again. Mr. Tardy had a Crackling Perimeter and Assemble the Legion in play, with two untapped gates on his side. At the end of his opponent's turn, he forgot to tap his two gates to deal two damage to his opponent, so he proceed to his upkeep, put a counter on his Assemble the Legion, and placed a 1/1 soldier token into play. Mr. Tardy then realized he had forgotten to ping his opponent with Crackling Perimeter in the previous turn, so he tapped his two gates and said "Oh yea, ping you for two at the end of your turn!". His opponent allowed the play and took the two damage.

I was going to say something, but since this is supposed to be a "casual & fun" event, and his opponent was OK with the take back, so I just walked away and went home instead of watching this mess for another few rounds.

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
I was going to say something, but since this is supposed to be a "casual & fun" event, and his opponent was OK with the take back, so I just walked away and went home instead of watching this mess for another few rounds.


This is probably what I would have done. if I'm playing against that guy though, and he tries to do that, it's not flying. I might let it fly the first time, and explain that he has to do it when I end my turn, not 4 phases later. A lot of newer players I've played against draw their card and THEN untap their lands - I usually let this go as well, and explain just for future reference untap is ALWAYS first, just so some rules hound doesn't cause a game/match loss later on.

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
This is probably what I would have done. if I'm playing against that guy though, and he tries to do that, it's not flying. I might let it fly the first time, and explain that he has to do it when I end my turn, not 4 phases later. A lot of newer players I've played against draw their card and THEN untap their lands - I usually let this go as well, and explain just for future reference untap is ALWAYS first, just so some rules hound doesn't cause a game/match loss later on.



I use to let it fly, but then I realized that I was doing a disservice to them. There was this one kid that I played against that always draw and then untap (like you said) and I just let him slide because he was new even though I told him multiple times that he had to untap first and I would let him take back a couple of upkeep triggers after he draw because his deck really sucked. Later on in the tournament, I was watching one of the games and the kid had lethal on board and the opponent tapped out to play a blocker and the kid slaughter pact it. Next turn, he drew, untapped and paid for the slaughter pact...GG

It takes new players a bit to get use to uptap and then draw, but if you let them slide in casual games, it's much worse for them when it counts

 
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At the midnight run of the prerelease I played Gruul and got Golgari as my ally. The first round was really close but I lost 1-2. I got a bye for the second round, then won against a new player in the third round. In the fourth it was also really close. In the 3rd game I had a Saruli Gatekeepers with a Madcap Skills on it, so I attacked and my opponent Flashed in an Izzet Staticaster to ping my guy and then block with 4 creatures. I would have lost my board presence, but I was able to bloodrush a Zhur-Taa Swine to save my creature and kill all 4 of his. On my next turn I used Wildwood Rebirth to get my Swine back and bloodrush again for the win.

Notable cards I got were Master of Cruelties and Blood Scrivener. In my prize packs I got Legion's Initiative and Notion Thief.

As we were finishing that 3rd game the store owner also came by and tossed a playset of promo Ludevic's Test Subject on the table and said we were playing for that too, so I ended up winning those as well.

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
I only play EDH nowadays, so I didn't play in any events, but I went to the pre-release anyway to hunt for EDH foils and watched people play.

What are you actually looking for from this set? Other than some of the legends, there's really not much that jumps out at me as "must haves" for EDH. Maybe the pseudo-deed, but I'm not even too crazy about that one.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
What are you actually looking for from this set? Other than some of the legends, there's really not much that jumps out at me as "must haves" for EDH. Maybe the pseudo-deed, but I'm not even too crazy about that one.



Same here I don't see much i would want for EDH

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Originally posted by iccarus:
What are you actually looking for from this set? Other than some of the legends, there's really not much that jumps out at me as "must haves" for EDH. Maybe the pseudo-deed, but I'm not even too crazy about that one.



I am always looking for old foils.

edit: Ah, I see what you meant. I didn't go to the pre-release to look for new foils. I went to the pre-release to trade/buy old foils.


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Originally posted by junichi:
I am always looking for old foils.

edit: Ah, I see what you meant. I didn't go to the pre-release to look for new foils. I went to the pre-release to trade/buy old foils.


Makes more sense.

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A few that seem EDH worthy to me, other than the legendaries:
Pontiff of Blight
Blood Baron (maybe)
Progenitor Mimic
Maw of the Obzedat will go in my Ghave deck as another finisher
Notion Thief could be hilarious
Trostani's Summoner
Flesh/Blood goes in my Kresh
Wear/Tear (I'm a big fan of Hull Breach)
Cluestones aren't horrible, but there's better replacements.
Obviously Shock lands and gates.
 
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I kinda hated the prerelease that I did but I think that is more due to my packs than anything else. I chose gruul for the guild and got paired with izzet. The problem came when i opened my guild packs. 3 cluestones... per pack! I ended up with 12 cluestones out of 4 packs. I'm pretty sure that has to be the maximum possible. Also out of the 4 packs I pulled a grand total of 3 creatures in red or green (or gold RG). So my pool had as many Gruul cluestones as total number of creatures across the two colors. I ended up playing a 4 color mess, I mean nobody was beating my mana fixing! I hope that my experience is not what should be expected going forward because it was certainly not a good one.
 
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Notion Thief could be hilarious

Since the ability is not a "may ability," I think it would be rather hilarious. I hope to deck many a player who want to play him.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by bushe:
I kinda hated the prerelease that I did but I think that is more due to my packs than anything else. I chose gruul for the guild and got paired with izzet. The problem came when i opened my guild packs. 3 cluestones... per pack! I ended up with 12 cluestones out of 4 packs. I'm pretty sure that has to be the maximum possible. Also out of the 4 packs I pulled a grand total of 3 creatures in red or green (or gold RG). So my pool had as many Gruul cluestones as total number of creatures across the two colors. I ended up playing a 4 color mess, I mean nobody was beating my mana fixing! I hope that my experience is not what should be expected going forward because it was certainly not a good one.

The distribution for the pre-release was terribad. Real limited for this set will be much, much differant.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Dimh:
The distribution for the pre-release was terribad. Real limited for this set will be much, much differant.


Well yeah. But that's all good. The more ways to get mileage out of the same thing, the better, no? There was a lotta people who abandoned their chosen guild.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
I usually let this go as well, and explain just for future reference untap is ALWAYS first, just so some rules hound doesn't cause a game/match loss later on.

It good to explain to new players this, but this will never be a game lose or a match lose, unless there was some overt cheating going on, or a Winter Orb in play.

This would fall under out-of order sequencing. So unless there was something he should be doing in his upkeep, or some how drawing before untapping is giving him some kind of strategic advantage (winter orb) there is no penalty.

But yes re-releases bring out a lot of kitchen table players, plus add in the new cards, and the idea that its super casual, people will play really lose.

 

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