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Topic: It's a Conspiracy I Say!
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jbark
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posted February 20, 2014 04:41 PM
        
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg%2Fdaily%2Farcana%2F1430I know its been talked about but there are some spoilers and info. So 210 cards in the set with 65 being new and 13 of those not legal for play outside this draft format. That leaves 145 reprints! I see an excuse to reprint more modern cards... or even legacy. What should we expect? I have a feeling zen fetch lands may make it in...
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Pail42
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posted February 20, 2014 04:58 PM
I think Zendikar fetches would be bad for a casual draft product because they create too much incentive to draft-for-value rather than make a good deck. Leave them for a fall set or Modern Masters 2.I'm expecting a lot of commander-friendly rares/mythics.
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AGO
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posted February 20, 2014 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by Pail42:
I think Zendikar fetches would be bad for a casual draft product because they create too much incentive to draft-for-value rather than make a good deck. Leave them for a fall set or Modern Masters 2.I'm expecting a lot of commander-friendly rares/mythics.
This. I don't expect anything insane. It would just trash on the entire point of drafting.
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jbark
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posted February 20, 2014 06:28 PM
There was a sort of sarcasm in my statement that I guess didn't convey lol. Just wanted to see the people complaining about if and when there is a reprint would jump in. I do doubt that zen fetches will be in. But it is an excuse to reprint anything so you never know. Modern omissions so far: Serum visions (though I do expect a reprint in the next set)
Remand
Damnation
Fulminator mage
Bitter blossom
Fetches
Filters I don't expect any heavy hitters in legacy/vintage due to values as stated above. Knowing multiplayer, it will be all jank for constructed play but fun for casual.
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caquaa
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posted February 20, 2014 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by Pail42:
I think Zendikar fetches would be bad for a casual draft product because they create too much incentive to draft-for-value rather than make a good deck. Leave them for a fall set or Modern Masters 2.I'm expecting a lot of commander-friendly rares/mythics.
wotc wants to sell packs, players need a reason to buy packs.... and you're telling me having valuable cards is bad? I'm somewhat suspect of that argument. I'm a lot more willing to draft when you can win w/o having to play a game.
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Pail42
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posted February 21, 2014 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by caquaa:
wotc wants to sell packs, players need a reason to buy packs.... and you're telling me having valuable cards is bad? I'm somewhat suspect of that argument. I'm a lot more willing to draft when you can win w/o having to play a game.
Modern Masters had a $6.99 MSRP and a limited print run. Conspiracy has a $3.99 MSRP and an unannounced print run. Expect much lower value per pack. There will probably be a few valuable cards in this set. I would be amazed if they reprinted any card currently going for over $20 unless it is a mythic, and I don't think we'll see a reprint of any card worth more than $30 (with an exception for True Name Nemesis)
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AGO
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posted February 21, 2014 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by Pail42:
Modern Masters had a $6.99 MSRP and a limited print run. Conspiracy has a $3.99 MSRP and an unannounced print run. Expect much lower value per pack.There will probably be a few valuable cards in this set. I would be amazed if they reprinted any card currently going for over $20 unless it is a mythic, and I don't think we'll see a reprint of any card worth more than $30 (with an exception for True Name Nemesis)
A reprint this quick on TNN is not going to happen. They want this to be fun to draft. TNN just ****s on all that. They will probably print good cards at the common/uncommon level. The rares could go either way on playability.
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choco man
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posted February 21, 2014 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by AGO:
[QUOTE]They want this to be fun to draft. TNN just ****s on all that.
But it won't if it's suppose to be a multiplayer format.
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psyduck_dude12
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posted February 21, 2014 12:19 PM
Full art lands!!
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Dimh
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posted February 21, 2014 03:24 PM
I've always thought they would do horizontal lands in the next "Un" style set, which is this is looking to be somewhat like (art is face up when tapped).Thought it would look neat.
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excallibar
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posted March 02, 2014 08:13 AM
Interesting concept!I could see them reprinting oblivion ring, that was always fun to use in draft format. Do you think they will make any walkers? That could be interesting..... Why won't they just bite the bullet and extend the art to the ends of the cards for this set only? That would sell ALOT of packs, don't ya think? Your friendly neighborhood Excalibur!
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stinkinogre
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posted March 02, 2014 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by Dimh:
I've always thought they would do horizontal lands in the next "Un" style set, which is this is looking to be somewhat like (art is face up when tapped).Thought it would look neat.
Man you may be on to something. It would be like the planesscape lands look. That would be baller. I think I need to have some alters made now.
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jbark
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posted April 24, 2014 03:48 PM
So boxes are pre selling on ebay at $135. Is at msrp? Seems consistent
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Krieg
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posted April 24, 2014 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by jbark:
So boxes are pre selling on ebay at $135. Is at msrp? Seems consistent
MSRP is $3.99 per pack, $143.64 per box
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jbark
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posted April 24, 2014 04:32 PM
Thanks must have missed that. Is $135 good? Seems like there will be a lot of product. One guy has 48+ for sale with a few sold. I guess it all depends on how fun it is to draft and how good the new eternal cards are and reprints. But I can see sealed boxes carrying a premium in a few months to a year if stock drys up.
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wayne
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posted April 24, 2014 10:23 PM
Will there be a lot printed or just one print run?
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stab107
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posted April 24, 2014 11:29 PM
It has been confirmed that the print run will not be limited.
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Default User
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posted April 24, 2014 11:34 PM
The retailers have been given a short intro by WotC:"The printrun is limited and the set can only be sold by sellers who also run a real game-store." The quote is from Games Island, Europes largest MtG retailer. They usually base their blurbs to the WotC email. I don't have any other info on the set, but I would guess that WotC has the possibility of making a second print run, if the first sells well, but after that there's no window for printing more, as both M15 and the Autumn expansion need to get printed too. In Europe the presale price is stable around 87,5 -90 €. I bought mine at 120$ each shipped (87.5 € each).
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stab107
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posted April 25, 2014 05:39 AM
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/83167288192/theres-a-conspiracy-going-around-that-conspiracy-is
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Pail42
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posted April 25, 2014 08:39 AM
I like this statement somebody made on Rosewater's blog:"jeffderek said: Remember folks, they said the same thing about Commander 2013 and Mind Seize is still impossible to find on the shelves, and a single still costs more than the MSRP of the package. Keep your hopes up, but don’t expect too much."
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KIP_NZ
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posted April 25, 2014 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Pail42:
I like this statement somebody made on Rosewater's blog:"jeffderek said: Remember folks, they said the same thing about Commander 2013 and Mind Seize is still impossible to find on the shelves, and a single still costs more than the MSRP of the package. Keep your hopes up, but don’t expect too much."
You do know they reprinted it and the new 5 packs ship with 2 Mind Seize in them now? The market is about to be flooded with them.... Note the price of TNN is $25 on SCG now which is less than MSRP... ORLY? http://sales.starcitygames.com/carddisplay.php?product=514685 __________________
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Pail42
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posted April 26, 2014 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by KIP_NZ:
You do know they reprinted it and the new 5 packs ship with 2 Mind Seize in them now? The market is about to be flooded with them.... Note the price of TNN is $25 on SCG now which is less than MSRP... ORLY? http://sales.starcitygames.com/carddisplay.php?product=514685
I did not know that (source?), but I still haven't seen Mind Sieze at a store yet. I don't know what your definition of "flooded" is but I don't foresee many retailers restocking 4 packs that don't sell well just to get the two Mind Sieze packs.
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oneofchaos
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posted April 26, 2014 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by Pail42:
I did not know that (source?), but I still haven't seen Mind Sieze at a store yet.I don't know what your definition of "flooded" is but I don't foresee many retailers restocking 4 packs that don't sell well just to get the two Mind Sieze packs.
Its mind seize x2 + 3 random
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stab107
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posted April 26, 2014 07:45 PM
TNN has drooped and all of the packs are readily available here. They have figured out current demand and I think Conspiracy will also be readily available, hopefully for less than the inflated prices being touted right now.
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iccarus
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posted May 20, 2014 07:44 AM
This set is starting to look a little ridiculous. Some of the reprints making their way in are sure to result in a huge demand. StP, Brainstorm, Misdirection, Exploration...all available in foil.http://mythicspoiler.com/cpy/index.html __________________
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