quote:
Originally posted by WCFmo:
@ YAK - where you at buddy?
I decided to take the weekend as a breather, before I post a bunch of angry rants. I was really frustrated at a few things.
Yes, I was the bomb. When I first got this PM from Liq:
quote:
Liq:
You are the bomb.
I resisted my initial urge to be snarky and reply, "Well, thank you. I AM awesome. So, what's my role this game?"
In retrospect, if I had known that there was a real possibility that we were playing with 4 Mafia, 1 SK, and no cop, I'd have played more like Jaz, acting overtly sure that I had real information to get the Mafia interested in going after me during the NK.
I hadn't seriously considered the possibility of WCFmo bluffing us, because it really did seem so unlikely. I was still going on about "Which is more likely?" in my head before I posted and honestly thought that the scenario that did actually play out this game was so unlikely compared to the more likely scenario that...
quote:
yakusoku:
A) thror, WCFmo, and junichi are telling the truth (or at least 2/3 of them are) and we have three or four confirmed Citizens, leaving OGB on the short list.This doesn't exonerate LA3, BTW, but I think all of this puts OGB as a solid #2, IMO.
I don't know what thror and WCFmo think, but I would be happy to vote for either rayragnarok or OGB right now.
thror was pushing for hilikuS, so we got 3/4, but clearly missed WCFmo.
I was pushing really hard for either ray or OGB, but was open to voting for hilikuS if thror or WCFmo could present a more compelling case for him.
Then ray posted this:
quote:
rayragnarok:
if you need me to make a capitalize and bold voting tag for you every round for you because drawing a line form A to B is to hard then i will gladly.
I don't know if this was a legitimate claim that I was misinterpreting things or if he was simply trying to ruffly my feathers, but he was already my #1 suspect and this was like him handing me a gun and calling me a coward. It didn't make me want any less to lynch him ASAP. ray, if you're still out there, can you let me know if you were seriously upset or was that meant to get me to go "on tilt".
However, it didn't seem at all as if I could get thror and WCFmo going in that direction. thror, however said,
quote:
thror:
I would be much happier voting OGB than Ray at this current juncture.
I felt like OGB was a vote I could get all three of us, plus all Citizens plus all Mafia who had to vote with the Citizens, too or else reveal themselves, except for OGB, of course.
I was sure we had a solid 2, and possibly a third in hilikuS, but there's I never posted a list with all four because I could never be sure of all four.
Then, Gawain made a post that included this:
quote:
Gawain:
these are my top suspects right now, and you can glean from that what you will:WCFmo
Thror
Junichi
If he had just mentioned WCFmo, I'd be less likely to dismiss him, but the list that includes all three looked like a desparate play by a Mafia to throw himself under the bus. Despite all that, thror still posted this:
quote:
thror:
Would still like to vote OGB for this lynch.
I felt like my Mafia suspect list was this after Gawain's initial post:
1. rayragnarok
2. OGB
3. Gawain
4. hilikuS (maybe?)
I did NOT like Gawain's post, but still felt like with thror's post, we should still go after OGB first, then argue next round (assuming that the Mafia would kill thror) after WCFmo gave us another bit of information whether we should go after ray or Gawain next.
When Gawain made his post that he was going to have a big post and that I was suddenly much lower on his suspect list, my initial thought was, "This is it. Gawain is the cop. He's going to out himself now and he's going to say that he investigated me night 3. He's been suspicious of me the whole game, but suddenly changed his mind now? That MUST mean he's the cop."
But, WCFmo came out as the cop and that dream was dashed and Gawain didn't post anything for awhile and it seemed as if he was reformulating his story, as he couldn't come out as the cop if he's really Mafia and WDFmo beat him to the punch.
However, I still felt like I had bigger fish to fry and ray's actions were still most suspicious and OGB was surely the Mafia we could all go after.
Then came Gawain's successive posts.
His second and third post actually weren't so bad, but the fourth just vaulted him to the top.
It was a fourth post coming in rapid fire, which made it seem desparate, but the content just seemed to strange for words.
quote:
Look long and hard at those who are quick to indict me, 'cause they smell the scent of the easy kill and are moving in hard.I've suspected Junichi all game, that's where my vote is going.
At this point, I still felt like I knew 100% I was a Citizen, 95% sure that WCFmo was, as well as thror, and junichi was 75%. Since I suspected Gawain as my #3 suspect, his statement seemed to indicate to me that his list suddenly included me as another Mafia. Now, to say that the cop, the doctor, a known Citizen (not by the cop, but because I knew that *I* was a Citizen), and someone who was probably a Citizen were all Mafia seemed like the most ridiculous story ever and only posted to stir up confusion.
I've seen plenty of Law and Order, The Practice, and other cop/lawyer shows and suspects will routinely throw a conspirator out there as someone who was really behind things. Or, they'll throw out another likely suspect (it wasn't the spouse, it was the jilted ex-lover). But, they never in a million years turn around and say that maybe the judge was the murderer and his accomplices were the DA and the sheriff. That's just ludicrous.
And yet, that's how Gawain sounded to me. We had caught him and while he wasn't as high on my list as OGB and ray, his 11th hour antics just proved to me that we had a Mafia 100%. ray was a 100% to me, too, but I couldn't get support for him. OGB was a 90% to me, and I could get support for him, but here we had Gawain who was waving his arms and practically saying "Kill me, kill me!" in my opinion.
Then, WCFmo posted his top four which had:
1. Gawain
2. hilikuS
3. OGB
4. ray
2 through 4 were inverted of my suspect list and it seemed as if Gawain was a sure thing, while OGB was likely, and ray was a long shot. So, I went for Gawain.
So, yes, I helped seal the deal, but I still feel adamantly like if Gawain had just stopped talking on page 12, we'd still be killing OGB, the Mafia would kill thror, and we'd still be playing one more day.
I'd make a case for ray or hilikuS and WCFmo would have to feed us a story about whom he "investigated" last round, and admittedly, I probably would have fallen for it, if he posted a #4 that was off my radar (like LA3), because my top two were based on my suspicions, but I can't ignore an in game action that nails a Mafia.
But, we lynched a Citizen. I wanted to post something, but thought there was no point. I was literally sitting at the computer and threw my hands up and I didn't post again until now.
Zak, not be harsh, but you dropping out was irrelevant to me. I don't like it when it happens, but I was more concerned with other things then and now.
fwy, same thing. the SK is a new role to most of us and I posted all my thoughts on it already - although we had a chance to get another Mafia if we kept you alive, I didn't think you were going to do much better than pulling a name out of a hat, and barring killing me, if you nail a Citizen, it just makes things worse for us.
Liq, no hard feelings, but this game WAS frustrating. I wouldn't alter any rules like faking roles, but I think the game was terribly stacked against us.
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