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Liq
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Mafia

The Rules of Mafia

Overview :

    The citizens of a small city, Tillamook, have discovered that there is Mafia in their town! The discovery has prompted the Mafia to start eliminating the population to a more manageable size. The citizens must get the Mafia before the Mafia gets them!
Teams :
    There are two main teams, the Mafia and the Citizens. Apart from these main teams are the Serial Killer and the Survivor. Each are out to win the game by themselves.
Winning Conditions :
    Team Mafia wins by eliminating enough players so that they make up 50% or more of the "living" players in the game. The citizens win by eliminating all members of Team Mafia and the Serial Killer. The Serial Killer wins by being one of the last two players in the game. The Survivor wins by being alive when one of the other teams win.
Roles :
    The Roles will be randomly determined by me. I will the PM roles to the players. If you don't get a PM, you're a citizen. Notice: Not all roles will be used (Assigned).

    Mafia Members - Team Mafia (Always Assigned)
    Mafia members all know each other and are allowed to discuss the current game between each other off thread.

    Mafia Leader - Team Mafia (Always Assigned)
    As a Night Action, the Mafia Leader chooses one player. That player is killed and removed from the game. The Mafia Leader cannot be night-killed by either the Vigilante or the Serial Killer.

    Important!! If you are not on Team Mafia nor a Mason, the ONLY PM's that you are to send are to me. Mafia-to-Mafia or Mason-to-Mason are the only acceptable PM's between players. /Important!!

    The Watcher - Team Mafia (Possibly Assigned)
    As a Night Action, the Watcher chooses one player. If that player becomes the target of another Night Action, the Watcher will gain the identity of the person who picked the target as well.

    The Ninja - Team Mafia (Possibly Assigned)
    If the target of the Watcher or the Tracker, no information is given.

    The Cop - Team Citizen (Possibly Assigned)
    As a Night Action, the Cop chooses one player. The Cop is given information on which team that player is playing for.

    The Doctor - Team Citizen (Possibly Assigned)
    As a Night Action, the Doctor chooses one player. If that player would be killed, that player is saved and remains in the game. The Doctor may not choose any player that he had previously saved.

    The Roleblocker - Assigned to either Team Mafia or Team Citizen (Possibly Assigned)
    As a Night Action, the Roleblocker chooses one player. Should that player have a Night Action, that Night Action does not occur.

    The Bomb - Team Citizen (Possibly Assigned)
    If this player is choosen as a Night Action Kill, then the player who picked him dies as well.

    The Tracker - Team Citizen (Possibly Assigned)
    As a Night Action, the Tracker chooses one player. Should that player target another player, the Tracker will know.

    The Vigilante - Team Citizen (Possibly Assigned)
    As a Night Action, the Vigilante chooses one player. That player is killed and removed from the game. The Vigilante may only use this ability twice.

    Masons - Team Citizen (Possibly Assigned)
    Masons all know each other. Masons are able to communicate via PM to EACH OTHER ONLY.

    Important!! If you are not on Team Mafia nor a Mason, the ONLY PM's that you are to send are to me. Mafia-to-Mafia or Mason-to-Mason are the only acceptable PM's between players. /Important!!

    The Serial Killer - Team Serial Killer (Possibly Assigned)
    As a Night Action, the Serial Killer chooses one player. That player is killed and removed from the game.

    The Survivor - Team Survivor (Possibly Assigned)
    No Special Action involved.

    The Citizen - Team Citizen (Always Assigned)
    No Special Action involved.

    Players who are still "alive" are not allowed to discuss this game with anyone, alive, dead or otherwise as to prevent accidents. Those that end up dead are allowed one "death post" which is not to contain ingame knowledge and are expected to remain silent until end of game. Anyone who is not playing (be that either due to not signing up or being dead) may not contact any player who is "alive" about anything concerning an active game.

Game play :
    The game is broken down into Rounds. Each Round will have 2 Phases, the Night Phase and the Day Phase. Players may discuss on this thread between themselves as what to do at any time during these phases by post alone. Each "living" player is required to post at least once per round. Only the Mafia and the Masons are allowed to PM each other.

    During the Night Phase, Night Actions occur. This is done by them sending me (the GM) a MOTL PM. After all PMs are received, I will announce the results of each Night Action. If a player is saved by the Doctor, only the fact that it did happen will be shared. There is no set time for this phase but be quick about it.

    During the Day Phase, each player must submit a vote for a player to be "lynched". This is done by them sending me (the GM) a MOTL PM. If multiple votes are submitted by a player, the most recent will be counted. If all votes are in before the specified time, I will end voting early. There is a set time for this phase which will be at least 48 hours. Tiebreakers will be determined by a randomization process.

    Players who do post during a Round may find themselves subject to removal from game with replacement.

Final Notes :
    To sign up for this game, you must have your name on the GD UBB Player List. Once your name is on the list, simply leave a post indicating your willingness to participate in this game. Please do not post any further to this prior to the start of the game. Once sign ups end, I will announce the Start of Game in which the First Round begins. After this point and until End of Game, short of a Mod, no member of MOTL is allowed to post on this thread that is not playing.

    Also note that those with their name on the GD UBB Player List may be asked to replace a "living" player.

    Good Luck and Have Fun!!

Penalties :
  • Non-Consistant Play (posting/voting) : 1 Game Suspension
  • Attempting to Play without Signing up : 1 Game Suspension
  • Breaking a Rule : 1 Game Suspension
  • Rude/Crass Personal Attacks : 1 Game Suspension : Removal from Game
  • Non-Permitted PM : 3 Game Suspension : Removal from Game
Suspended/Banned Players :
  • Tranderas {Banned}
  • XplicitR {1 Game Suspension}
The Players :
  • Gawain
  • hilikuS
  • junichi
  • LA3
  • Montague
  • OGB
  • rayragnarok
  • thror
  • WCFmo
  • yakusoku
The Deceased :
  • MeddlingMage {Mason : Killed by the Mafia}
  • BernieB (Mason : Killed by the Serial Killer}
  • fwybwed {Serial Killer : Citizen Lynch 1}
  • ryan2754 {Citizen : Mafia Hit 2}
  • JackSpade {Citizen : Citizen Lynch 2}
  • Jazaray {Citizen : Mafia Hit 3}

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<Jazaray> LIQ!
<Jazaray> you broke MOTL
<Liq> totally
<BoltBait> Don't make me kick you
<Slinga> Have no fear, MOTL's janitor is here!
<nderdog> So we're all agreed, it's Liq's fault, right?
<Leshrac> let me deal with that
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yakusoku
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quote:


If I only stick to the 4 (GAW, HILI, OGB, RAY) I would say this

1. GAW
2. HILI
3. OGB
4. RAY


I'm not as sold on hilikuS (although I'll go back and read what everyone has said about him and what he's done), but I'm going to go ahead and suggest we vote for Gawain.

quote:


I think I would like to vote for GAW this round, assuming we get a next round, who should be my pick? I think it was THROR who said JUNI. I'm more than willing to take suggestions.


I think it's OGB. I don't think he's any of our #1 picks, but I think he's on your list, my list, and possibly thror's list if we ask for his top 3 or top 4. It seems like the next choice we can all agree on.

But, like you, I can be persuaded. If you and thror think that hilikuS ranks higher on your lists, then I'd be willing to consider him, especially after reviewing his game play and if you have a persuasive argument for him. In between ray and Gawain, I may have missed something either of you said about hilikuS.

{VOTE: GAWAIN}

[Edited 1 times, lastly by yakusoku on November 19, 2010]

 
thror
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Gawain is fine with me this round as well. Pretty much agree on the OGB mafia / LA3 probable cit, but would like a little more info before we get into that.

Wcfmo - i still think checking juni is a good idea tonight, because if he's played us we're in deep trouble. Juni can check either Hili, Monty, or LA3 and possibly find leader (would suggest them in that order). I suggest not checking OGB, because at this point I think he is pretty much confirmed Mafia, and will be the Next Lynch.

@ RAY and LA3 - We need you voting gawain this round.

{VOTE: Gawain}

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by thror on November 19, 2010]

 
Montague
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I think that the 4 of you that I consider confirmed cits at the moment (Thor, WCF, Yaku, Juni) have the right idea. From my point of view, that only leaves the following as possible mafia:

Hilikus
OGB
LA3
Gawain
Ray

I believe you guys are right whenever you say Gawain and OGB are both Mafia. After that, I think Hilikus is also mafia. Hilikus is playing the game exactly like I would expect a good mafia member to play it in the current situation. He is hesitant of the people who are “confirmed” and he is in between that place of not wanting to panic (like Gawain did) and not be too passive because he has to change somebodies mind.

In my opinion, the last mafia is a decision between LA3 and Ray. Now IMO it looks to me like LA3 is a citizen. His play seems so bad (no offense) but he is posting like he isn’t really paying attention or reading the thread very much. The only reason I say this is because of him calling me out for saying I have a role but not revealing my role the page after I actually did come out and tell you my role. He just doesn’t seem as prepared as a typical mafia would. Whenever I am mafia I generally read thru the threads a lot and know what is going on and what I can try to manipulate, where he doesn’t seem like he can do that.

I hope that all makes sense, as I am typing in a hurry before I have to pick up my kids.

Anyway, IMO the Gawain lynch here is the best idea but I think the cop needs to look at LA3 or ray next round.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by yakusoku:

If you and thror think that hilikuS ranks higher on your lists, then I'd be willing to consider him, especially after reviewing his game play and if you have a persuasive argument for him. In between ray and Gawain, I may have missed something either of you said about hilikuS.

{VOTE: GAWAIN}


Regarind top 4 - IDK, I'm listening to Thror on RAY and waiting, which is why I have him lower on the list as he knows him IRL. Hili is more of a choice if I said, who is more likely out of these players to be mafia and only gave you those four names, HILI would be after GAW for me. I really haven't spent a whole lot of time looking through his posts, and I would be pressed to vote him this round ...but I honestly haven't suspected him that much (which is exactly why I am going to scrutinize him more now).

Also, considering I think we have reached a consensus on voting.

{VOTE: Gawain}

Also, as to cop looks

1 - JUNI
1 - OGB
1 - RAY/LA3

I don't particularly see any bad choices right now with those suggestions, I would probably look at OGB, RAY, & LA3 before JUNI.

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junichi
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Long story short.

{VOTE: Gawain}

Submitted.

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Well Wcfmo, the thing is, you are probably only getting 1 more cop investigation. I consider OGB to be 'confirmed mafia' at this point, and believe wasting your check there is not the best play.

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LA3
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posted November 19, 2010 12:49 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for LA3 Click Here to Email LA3 Send a private message to LA3 Click to send LA3 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I believe in the last mafia thread part one indicated i was voting gawain. Last page i think.

my explanation is in that post as well

 
Liq
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If you guys want, I can end the round early.

This will only happen at least 7 active players agree to it and all votes are in.

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<Slinga> Have no fear, MOTL's janitor is here!
<nderdog> So we're all agreed, it's Liq's fault, right?
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LA3
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Fine with me
 
WCFmo
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quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
If you guys want, I can end the round early.

This will only happen at least 7 active players agree to it and all votes are in.


Fine here, as long as we can discuss night actions for awhile.

Edit -

I'm not gonna finish this summary, but as promised here it is

Here are a few things to note from the end of the lynch:

quote:
Originally posted by Gawain:

Suspect less than before: Yaku. Will elaborate soon.
Suspect more than before: Junichi (still suspected a lot before though).
New Suspect/s: WCFmo.
I have a laundry list of reasons for all this and it's gonna be a hearty post, so I wanna save it for later when I'll have more time, but I should be back on tonight with a full explanation/post.


- LA3’s emphasis on “hence the kill”
- Re: OGB, the first time he is mentioned by anyone
-
quote:
Originally posted by junichi:

What I'm surprised is, OGB and Mont both haven't taken much heat so far in the game, and have both been flying under the radar; If I am mafia and either OGB and/or Mont are citizen(s), I would've gone for either of them while adding fuel to the fire between WCFmo and Jaz.


- LA3 says it “Right now my vote is one of the following WCFmo or Ray”
- Thror comes out as doc
- Yaku says its time for the cop to come out (if I didn’t know he was not mafia him claiming he hadn’t done the math is just odd for him )
- LA3 – RAY or WCFmo is mafia
- LA3 asks the cop NOT to reveal? Says RAY or WCFmo
- Thror & Monty discuss cop coming out. Monty says he has useless role
- HILI suggests OGB or MONTY are too quiet
- I come out as cop, THROR & YAK are cits – note the following
- Thror – Assuming yak is cit? Discusses probability
- WCFmo – yep he’s not mafia
- JUNI – I’m not revealing my role until Monty does
- GAW – Thror or WCFmo are lying, or both. He admits not posting the promised “butt ton of analysis.” #1 reason why I think he didn’t post the analysis is that his plans changed.
- Thror – the cop doesn’t get roles GAW
- JUNI – lying about cop would be stupid at this point
- I state incidentally left that out, waiting to see in regards to what’s happening w/ Monty and JUNI.
- GAW – I screwed up
- LA3 – Lot has happened, JUNI, Monty, WCFmo not mafia. Mafia is either RAY or OGB.
- Ray – I don’t have a role
- LA3 – These three are mafia – GAW, OGB, HILI. One of these is mafia – MONTY, YAKU, THROR, WCFMO, JUNICHI, RAY
- HILI – There’s no way to prove one way or the other who is telling the truth. Wants to vote LA3, mentions MONTY and OGB.
- OGB – My stance is not to believe anyone right now. Agrees with HILIKUS
- THROR – if WCF isn’t cop there’s no way we win the game.
- HILI – a doc save is possible
- OGB – discusses confirmeds, non-disclosed roles, no roles, and unconfirmed. Seems to say JUNI, LA3, or MONTY. Thinks MONTY may be survivor.
- Thror – 4 unknowns are his highest suspects OGB, HILI, GAW, and LA3. Asks Monty and JUNI to state their roles.
- JUNI – Most suspicious of OGB then HILI. Importantly, “So far, hilikuS, OGB and Gawain all had their doubts on WCFmo and Thror”
- HILI – Points out he didn’t say that he didn’t believe THROR.
- OGB asks JUNI to elaborate on LA3

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by WCFmo on November 19, 2010]

 
junichi
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quote:
Originally posted by WCFmo:
Fine here, as long as we can discuss night actions for awhile.


same.

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fine with me.

VOTING Gaw

 
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quote:
Originally posted by rayragnarok:
fine with me.

VOTING Gaw


You need to use the voting tags if you are going to vote.

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quote:
Originally posted by WCFmo:
You need to use the voting tags if you are going to vote.


i pmed my vote, i was just making sure that yak could tell whom i'm voting for.

 
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i already sent my vote in
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
If you guys want, I can end the round early.

This will only happen at least 7 active players agree to it and all votes are in.


I'm fine with that.

 
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I don't mind the voting ending early
 
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Ya know what? So am I. Though I seriously doubt any of you will read back through anything I posted, I guarantee you I was on to at least one Mafioso this game, and I feel pretty confident about 2. I doubt I nailed all 3, but if I did, I'm gonna pat myself on the back big time.

You guys just wasted a round. Has anyone EVER seen me implode like that when I had a major role? Has anyone ever seen me implode like that period? And you think I'd do that if I were Mafia? The Mafia is leading you all around in circles with a level of ease I haven't seen in a long time, and it's because I made for such an easy vote that no one wanted to put any real effort into any real scumhunting, and also because with all these new roles, everyone is for whatever reason inclined to believe that a reveal is 100% genuine 100% of the time.

One of those who revealed is lying, possibly more.

I'm a Cit, Liq, just go ahead and end this.

Peace ya'll.

{VOTE: Junichi (for what it's ****ing worth)}

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Gawain on November 19, 2010]

 
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I actually had a funny thought just now. If one of the unconfirmed cit bluff and say they will vote for me, but submit Gawain as the actual vote through pm, that will probably draws out all the mafia sucker to vote for me.

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Ending it early is fine with me. With ray posting, I don't think anyone has anything new to add.

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Liq
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Voting Results :
  • Gawain - junichi
  • hilikuS - Gawain
  • junichi - Gawain
  • LA3 - Gawain
  • Montague
  • OGB - Gawain
  • rayragnarok - Gawain
  • thror - Gawain
  • WCFmo - Gawain
  • yakusoku - Gawain
You lynch a Citizen.

Night Action PMs if you will.

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<Leshrac> let me deal with that
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Mmm hmmm. Told ya'll. *sigh* Chaps my ass to say it at this point, but good luck Cits. Yer gonna need it.

Edit: Good luck on that pile analysis. HA! Heh.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Gawain on November 19, 2010]

 
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@liq

if the NK happens the game would end right there cause will be eight players and since no mafia has been killed yet it would be a 50/50 split of remaining players

 
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LA3 - there is still the possibility that i make a doc save tonight. As slim as it is...


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[Edited 1 times, lastly by thror on November 20, 2010]

 

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