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Topic: Russian Foil Jace, the Mind Sculptor
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hukstor
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posted July 03, 2012 04:24 PM
        
What's this guy going for? I'm looking for a range of values, the wider the better.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by hukstor on July 03, 2012]
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James_Hetfield2
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posted July 03, 2012 04:25 PM
I'll go out on a limb and guesstimate $.05 to $20,000. I need to go check with a friend though. Get back to you hukstor..
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XtReMeOnE3
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posted July 03, 2012 04:26 PM
i was offered 10000 euro for mine but i dont tradei only look for TRUE MINT ALPHA
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dwiz
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posted July 03, 2012 05:49 PM
Didn't want to start a new thread, but similar question. English Foil price is now around $300? I made a ghastly trade for one yesterday and am going to have to offer the guy more cards post-trade if this is the case. We didn't think it was anywhere near that.
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baldr7
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posted July 03, 2012 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by dwiz:
Didn't want to start a new thread, but similar question. English Foil price is now around $300? I made a ghastly trade for one yesterday and am going to have to offer the guy more cards post-trade if this is the case. We didn't think it was anywhere near that.
retail on english was 250 in cases at Atlanta, i sold 2 near mint to CFB for 225 each
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JayC
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posted July 03, 2012 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by James_Hetfield2:
I'll go out on a limb and guesstimate $.05 to $20,000. I need to go check with a friend though. Get back to you hukstor..
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Pippincro
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posted July 03, 2012 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by XtReMeOnE3:
i was offered 10000 euro for mine but i dont tradei only look for TRUE MINT ALPHA
hehe, awesome imitation 
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riemann-zeta
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posted July 04, 2012 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by James_Hetfield2:
I'll go out on a limb and guesstimate $.05 to $20,000. I need to go check with a friend though. Get back to you hukstor..
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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SolonJhee
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posted July 04, 2012 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by XtReMeOnE3:
i was offered 10000 euro for mine but i dont tradei only look for TRUE MINT ALPHA
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Originally posted by Pippincro:
hehe, awesome imitation
[Edited 3 times, lastly by SolonJhee on July 04, 2012]
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bigballashotcaller
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posted July 04, 2012 01:47 PM
Probably about $1200, which is ludicrous.
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morphilou
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posted July 04, 2012 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by bigballashotcaller:
Probably about $1200, which is ludicrous.
why ludicrous ? jace mind russian foil is 10 rarer that black lotus black border and 10 time more played i can ton find easy 10 lotus black border in 1 week
but 0 jtms russian foil except if offer 2000$ and it is not sure
[Edited 2 times, lastly by morphilou on July 04, 2012]
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mini1337s
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posted July 04, 2012 02:29 PM
Does anyone know the print run on Russian Worldwake? I've heard some pretty small numbers for older sets, but I assumed the new ones had a decent printing.
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Mr.C
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posted July 04, 2012 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by morphilou:
jace mind russian foil is 10 rarer that black lotus black border and 10 time more played
That's sounds like BS, especially when Wizards doesn't release printrun information.
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hukstor
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posted July 04, 2012 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Mr.C:
That's sounds like BS, especially when Wizards doesn't release printrun information.
While I don't doubt that this 10x rarer number is completely made up due to what you said about print run information, I'd say that anyone who would claim that black bordered lotuses are rarer than Rus foil Jaces would probably need to have their heads checked. I wouldn't be surprised if the number is actually much higher than 10x just based on availability on the market. I was also told by several Russian store owners/dealers that Worldwake ran out extremely quickly from suppliers (before RoE was even released).
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Mr.C
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posted July 04, 2012 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by hukstor:
While I don't doubt that this 10x rarer number is completely made up due to what you said about print run information, I'd say that anyone who would claim that black bordered lotuses are rarer than Rus foil Jaces would probably need to have their heads checked. I wouldn't be surprised if the number is actually much higher than 10x just based on availability on the market. I was also told by several Russian store owners/dealers that Worldwake ran out extremely quickly from suppliers (before RoE was even released).
Alpha also ran out really fast. So did Beta. That doesn't really mean anything. I bet that, say, Spanish JtMS is just as hard to find.
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hukstor
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posted July 04, 2012 04:03 PM
I could get you a dozen Spanish ones in less than a week. Protuguese is another story though.
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bigballashotcaller
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posted July 04, 2012 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by morphilou:
why ludicrous ?jace mind russian foil is 10 rarer that black lotus black border and 10 time more played i can ton find easy 10 lotus black border in 1 week
but 0 jtms russian foil except if offer 2000$ and it is not sure
Because Russian is overrated in general, hence ludicrous prices when everyone want to try to be cool and jump on the Russian train (see: Japanese train previously). No one gave a crap about Russian cards a couple of years ago other than like 10 people, but now people needlessly jack it off and desperate buyers drive prices up. It's funny.
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hukstor
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posted July 04, 2012 05:50 PM
I think several people missed the point of the thread (see first 3 posts).
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Mr.C
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posted July 04, 2012 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by hukstor:
I think several people missed the point of the thread (see first 3 posts).
I would ask $1500 and then take offers. If there's a bunch of people wanting it, and offering more, take it off the market for a week or two then re-list it.
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morphilou
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posted July 05, 2012 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by Mr.C:
That's sounds like BS, especially when Wizards doesn't release printrun information.
there are 4300 lotus black border (1100 alpha + 3200 beta) for to have 4300 jtms russian foil should be 4300 X 36 (1 foil/36 booster) X 80 (set mythic for 80 booster in worldwake)X 15
= 185 760 000 card russian obviously in france for example there are 1000 000 booster french sold / year
==> 1 000 000 rare = 125 000 mythic and 12 500 jace mind with 350 jtms foil french i don't know how many there are of russian foil but russian foil rarer that french foil therefore yes , jtms russian foil it is much rarer than lotus black border
[Edited 1 times, lastly by morphilou on July 05, 2012]
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Zeckk
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posted July 05, 2012 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by morphilou:
there are 4300 lotus black border (1100 alpha + 3200 beta)for to have 4300 jtms russian foil should be 3200 X 36 (1 foil/36 booster) X 80 (set mythic for 80 booster in worldwake)X 15
= 138 240 000 card russian obviously in france for example there are 1000 000 booster french sold / year
==> 1 000 000 rare = 125 000 mythic and 12 500 jace mind with 350 jtms foil french i don't know how many there are of russian foil but russian foil rarer that french foil therefore yes , jtms russian foil it is much rarer than lotus black border
Without going into the smaller errors in your math, the number of foils per booster box is much higher than 1-per-box. Last time I heard it was somewhere around 6-8 per booster box. On a related note, foreign foil prices are a sucker game because the demand is artificially enhanced due to the initially small supply. Whatever language is deemed the rarest inevitably ends up being opened more (see japanese foils) until it stops being the rarest. Furthermore, foreign foils stand to lose the most value if anything catastrophic happens to the playability of a card, i.e. a strictly better reprint or a banning in a format.
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huguesparri
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posted July 05, 2012 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
On a related note, foreign foil prices are a sucker game because the demand is artificially enhanced due to the initially small supply. Whatever language is deemed the rarest inevitably ends up being opened more (see japanese foils) until it stops being the rarest. Furthermore, foreign foils stand to lose the most value if anything catastrophic happens to the playability of a card, i.e. a strictly better reprint or a banning in a format.
From what I've seen so far, I'm not sure your point is completely right. There are so many format nowadays in Magic that even if a card is banned in one format, and if it sees play in other format, prices will not fall that much (for example, foil foreign soneforge mystic).
And if a card is printed again, usually card from the original set keeps some value and may raise again (for example, foil japanese 7th edition bird fo paradise or foil japanese 5D Crucible of Worlds).
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Zeckk
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posted July 05, 2012 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by huguesparri:
From what I've seen so far, I'm not sure your point is completely right. There are so many format nowadays in Magic that even if a card is banned in one format, and if it sees play in other format, prices will not fall that much (for example, foil foreign soneforge mystic).
And if a card is printed again, usually card from the original set keeps some value and may raise again (for example, foil japanese 7th edition bird fo paradise or foil japanese 5D Crucible of Worlds).
It's still a sucker game. If Jace gets banned in legacy tomorrow, the prices of those foreign foils eat the largest price drop out of all of them (foil, non-foil, promo, etc.). That's a fact. Add in the other fact that foreign foils are extremely volatile in price, and you have the closest thing to gambling in magic speculation.
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Malicious
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posted July 06, 2012 03:13 AM
I dont think so. Foreign stuff is mostly priced by Vintage in Casual/EDH. If Jace is banned in legacy (0 % chance) , i doubt jap and german foils will drop at all. The guys who bought in 200 bucks will not sell with a loss. You can see in many, many cards. Unless every single owner of jap foil jace desperatly needs money, they wont sell at a loss at all. In result, price stays the same.
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Zeckk
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posted July 06, 2012 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by Malicious:
I dont think so. Foreign stuff is mostly priced by Vintage in Casual/EDH. If Jace is banned in legacy (0 % chance) , i doubt jap and german foils will drop at all. The guys who bought in 200 bucks will not sell with a loss. You can see in many, many cards. Unless every single owner of jap foil jace desperatly needs money, they wont sell at a loss at all. In result, price stays the same.
That's a rather large list of statements without any proof. Foreign foil prices are driven by demand, and demand is primarily driven by playability. All the arguments as to why foreign foils are a safe bet are because currently the only foreign foils worth any kind of money are the ones with massive casual appeal or playability. Foreign foils are not like alpha or beta in the sense that even commons/uncommons are worth money, despite the argument that a crappy foil mythic like a foil Russian Abyssal Persecutor has fewer copies in existence than black border Black Lotus. Furthermore, the demand for magic rarities isn't even mainstream within the magic community, and foreign foils are a subset of the rarity guys. Every sign points towards a luxury bubble based more on speculation than demand.
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