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coolio Member	posted May 07, 2014 09:20 PM http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1489 new judge promo.. only to those who've cert'd someone after 2005.. thoughts on prices? o/u on 1000? й __________________ Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong. -Christopher Hitchens Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -Seneca the Younger
oneofchaos Member	posted May 07, 2014 09:31 PM quote: Originally posted by coolio: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1489 new judge promo.. only to those who've cert'd someone after 2005.. thoughts on prices? o/u on 1000? й I'd say price closely correlates to number introduced into circulation. Not only that, but who wants just one of these...you need four of course. I'd be willing to bet there are a few thousand judges, but that could be optimistic.
coolio Member	posted May 07, 2014 09:32 PM quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: I'd say price closely correlates to number introduced into circulation. Not only that, but who wants just one of these...you need four of course. I'd be willing to bet there are a few thousand judges, but that could be optimistic. there's 5000 judges.. but the number of judges who have cert'd others? I think population is nowhere near as high as people think.. й __________________ Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong. -Christopher Hitchens Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -Seneca the Younger
Zakman86 Member	posted May 07, 2014 09:45 PM There are less than 1100 judges with the capability to certify other judges at this time.
oneofchaos Member	posted May 07, 2014 09:48 PM quote: Originally posted by Zakman86: There are less than 1100 judges with the capability to certify other judges at this time. But each could certify multiples (which is likely?)
coasterdude84 Member	posted May 07, 2014 09:57 PM Sure, but I doubt they'd get multiples then. I'd guess less than 1000, probably 750-800 copies.
oneofchaos Member	posted May 07, 2014 10:27 PM quote: Originally posted by coasterdude84: Sure, but I doubt they'd get multiples then. I'd guess less than 1000, probably 750-800 copies. Well if that's the case you've got an upper bound that is less than the number of Alpha black lotus ever printed.
JayC Member	posted May 07, 2014 11:16 PM I'd say $500 initially.
psyduck_dude12 Member	posted May 07, 2014 11:18 PM Foiling our a legacy deck is no longer an option unless you happened to be one of the few that nabs a playset.
mrieff Member	posted May 07, 2014 11:22 PM Do we know if they will bring more in circulation through other means, eg as regular judge promo?
JesusChristMD Member	posted May 08, 2014 12:31 AM I would snap buy them at anything under 850 I think. __________________ Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore" [Edited 1 times, lastly by JesusChristMD on May 08, 2014]
Kwas Member	posted May 08, 2014 01:05 AM They are send out to all judges who have been active since 2005. I think there is going to be more than 700-800. I'd wager a bet that in 3 months, they are 200 each. As soon as casual judges sell. When they are gone, they will be 800-1000 each, in an instant, though. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Kwas on May 08, 2014]
wayne Member	posted May 08, 2014 01:07 AM I'd say over on the 1000
gregmacknass Member	posted May 08, 2014 03:23 AM I'd wager that there will be very few people selling these, and the prices will be insane. I'm betting that the few that end up on ebay will be nothing less that $1k, and more than likely much much more than that.
A1phaMale Member	posted May 08, 2014 04:04 AM Yeah, its a foil FOW, but the artwork is not comparable to the original artwork. It will be rare and expensive, but I would rather have the alliances version in any one of my decks.
Jonnyjonski Member	posted May 08, 2014 05:01 AM quote: Originally posted by Kwas: They are send out to all judges who have been active since 2005. I think there is going to be more than 700-800. WRONG! They are being sent out to Level 2 and up judges who certified other judges after 2005. That is a significantly lower number than all judges active since 2005. Starting numbers will be near $1k on eBay and go up from there....especially early on. If they become a foil handed out at future GP's then the price will settle near the $500 mark. Always a 4 of will keep the price up.
OGB Member	posted May 08, 2014 05:25 AM quote: Originally posted by Jonnyjonski: WRONG! They are being sent out to Level 2 and up judges who certified other judges after 2005. That is a significantly lower number than all judges active since 2005. Starting numbers will be near $1k on eBay and go up from there....especially early on. If they become a foil handed out at future GP's then the price will settle near the $500 mark. Always a 4 of will keep the price up. If these were ever a gp foil we'd have 10,000 player gps. Id get my mother father and dog a dci number and drive to every gp within 8 hours of me. __________________ 2010 Homer Simpson Award Winner http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/016901.html
Soldier Boi Member	posted May 08, 2014 06:17 AM quote: Originally posted by OGB: If these were ever a gp foil we'd have 10,000 player gps. Id get my mother father and dog a dci number and drive to every gp within 8 hours of me. I'm pretty sure he means as part of the judge pack at future gps not the gp promos.
Teferi Planeswalker Member	posted May 08, 2014 07:17 AM They revealed 8 judge promos this announcement including force of will. Force of will is 4/9 in the promo line up. They had a picture with force of will with all the other judge promos. I don't see why people think this will not be included in judge packs. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Teferi Planeswalker on May 08, 2014]
stu55 Member	posted May 08, 2014 07:33 AM I would be shocked if more aren't given out. They say the promo is just for the judges who certified others for now, but nothing about more being given out later.
Soldier Boi Member	posted May 08, 2014 09:05 AM All I read was force of will will be passed out a lot more than the other promos.
mm1983 Member	posted May 08, 2014 09:28 AM Are judge promos usually given out in 2 different waves to all the judges before they stop printing them or giving them out?
LemonMeringue Member	posted May 08, 2014 11:46 AM https://twitter.com/HeleneBergeot/status/464420907243429888
TimeBeing Member	posted May 08, 2014 03:06 PM quote: Originally posted by mm1983: Are judge promos usually given out in 2 different waves to all the judges before they stop printing them or giving them out? Judge foils go into the packet of 6 as 2 ofs, and rotate every pro tour. The conference packet is 4 or 6 cards (depending) and usually 2 cards behind the GP packet. With the release of 7 at one time, (and high level judges got all 7 already) they maybe mixing this up now. Random packets now? As for Helene's tweet. That could mean almost anything. Could be a GP promo, a conference promo (like Confidant), a PT only promo, or just a reward to hard working judges. Or maybe a new incentive to level up. [Edited 1 times, lastly by TimeBeing on May 08, 2014]
AGO Member	posted May 08, 2014 03:20 PM They will have to hand these out more then any other Judge Promo. This will probably end up the most expensive Judge Promo to date. I personally think the new art looks like some crap from a FTV. Now Elesh, that's something to swoon over!

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