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BetaBoosterBox
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posted March 03, 2016 10:47 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for BetaBoosterBox Send a private message to BetaBoosterBox Click to send BetaBoosterBox an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hi all. I'm a brand new member here and looking for some information on MTG Alpha and Beta Booster Boxes. 1) How does one tell the difference between the boxes? 2) In recent weeks, I have scoured the Internet looking for recent sales of Alpha and Beta booster boxes to no availe. It appears that there haven't been any sales of these items in the past several years. I have also contacted several reputable businesses that I found across the US that advertise these items, but show always to be "out of stock". Are these boxes truly that rare? 3) What would an unopened Alpha box be worth? What about an unopened Beta box? Any information would be greatly appreciated!

Dave

 
headumpire
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posted March 05, 2016 06:27 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for headumpire Click Here to Email headumpire Send a private message to headumpire Click to send headumpire an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hey Dave. The problem with these boxes is that only a small amount of people can afford them. That being said, there is no such thing as a SEALED alpha box, that print run there was no plastic wrap. If i recall correctly 30% of the beta run had plastic wrap.

So the way you tell the difference is simply by examining the loose packs.

The ROUGH cost of a box is 36x(the cost of a pack).

That being said, there have been private sales recently ranging from 1.25x36x(cost of pack) to .60x36x(cost of a pack).

I have been a buyer in the market for a while, and they very rarely come up. Also NEVER buy something like this without seeing it in person. And i personally wouldn't buy a sealed beta box, i would open the wrap to confirm the packs are in there, you have to.

 
BetaBoosterBox
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posted March 08, 2016 11:49 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for BetaBoosterBox Send a private message to BetaBoosterBox Click to send BetaBoosterBox an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hi headumpire, Thanks for your response. I'm not contemplating buying the boxes, as I own the boxes. I bought several boxes way back in the early Fall of 1993 and played for a few months before moving onto college and other interests. Fast forward 22+ years later and now I see that these MTG cards hold some real value. Who would have thought!?! I haven't thought about these cards in all that time as being of any true value. "Out of sight, out of mind!" I was able to recently talk with Daniel Chang at VintageMagic about these boxes. My question is should I open one of the boxes and verify these are Beta vs Alpha? Or is it best to keep the shrink wrap on the box and sell it (potentially, I am more interested in first finding more details on the history/statistics of these before considering selling) for a premium? Am I better off to just keep the boxes and wait a few more years before considering what to do with them? How many boxes are realistically still out there and sealed? Any information, wisdom or expertise you have on these is greatly appreciated!

Dave

 
LandDestroyer
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posted March 08, 2016 12:04 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View LandDestroyer's Have/Want ListView LandDestroyer's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by BetaBoosterBox:
Hi headumpire, Thanks for your response. I'm not contemplating buying the boxes, as I own the boxes. I bought several boxes way back in the early Fall of 1993 and played for a few months before moving onto college and other interests. Fast forward 22+ years later and now I see that these MTG cards hold some real value. Who would have thought!?! I haven't thought about these cards in all that time as being of any true value. "Out of sight, out of mind!" I was able to recently talk with Daniel Chang at VintageMagic about these boxes. My question is should I open one of the boxes and verify these are Beta vs Alpha? Or is it best to keep the shrink wrap on the box and sell it (potentially, I am more interested in first finding more details on the history/statistics of these before considering selling) for a premium? Am I better off to just keep the boxes and wait a few more years before considering what to do with them? How many boxes are realistically still out there and sealed? Any information, wisdom or expertise you have on these is greatly appreciated!

Dave


While I've heard conflicting information on this point what Adam is saying is that if it has shrinkwrap on it then it's not alpha. it's either 1 of the rare beta boxes that was sealed or it's an empty beta box that was filled with other packs like fallen empires to scam someone. with you having bought this you'd be confident it's beta but any prospective buyer would be unlikely to trust that and would want to unwrap it to confirm contents

 
BetaBoosterBox
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posted March 08, 2016 12:36 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for BetaBoosterBox Send a private message to BetaBoosterBox Click to send BetaBoosterBox an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Thanks LandDestroyer. I guess my first course of action is to have the boxes verified as real Beta and appraised. As I mentioned, Daniel Chang and I talked a few days ago about doing this. Being a newbie to this, and as cautious as possible, are there other people/businesses that I should also talk to for second and third opinions? I tend to agree that the sealed boxes should be opened... Otherwise people are putting value on the plastic sealant over the actual contents, and that doesn't make sense to me. As I previously posted, are there "real" and/or verifiable statistics to the numbers out there for how many sealed boxes still exist? When is the last time a box was sold? Etc, etc.

Thanks again,
Dave

 
gaeacradle
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posted March 08, 2016 05:12 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for gaeacradle Click Here to Email gaeacradle Send a private message to gaeacradle Click to send gaeacradle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by BetaBoosterBox:
Thanks LandDestroyer. I guess my first course of action is to have the boxes verified as real Beta and appraised. As I mentioned, Daniel Chang and I talked a few days ago about doing this. Being a newbie to this, and as cautious as possible, are there other people/businesses that I should also talk to for second and third opinions? I tend to agree that the sealed boxes should be opened... Otherwise people are putting value on the plastic sealant over the actual contents, and that doesn't make sense to me. As I previously posted, are there "real" and/or verifiable statistics to the numbers out there for how many sealed boxes still exist? When is the last time a box was sold? Etc, etc.

Thanks again,
Dave


I would be wary of Daniel Chang's advice. He's a cancer to the MTG community. Vermillion (his real name is Brian Nocenti) is a great resource.

 
Vermilion
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posted March 08, 2016 06:19 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Vermilion Click Here to Email Vermilion Send a private message to Vermilion Click to send Vermilion an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I have nothing good to say about Daniel Chang.

He claims to pay the highest prices which is a blatant lie. He claims anything that you're selling is worth much less when asking him for his advice. Here's a perfect example: http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/031413.html His reputation is flawed to say the least. I personally don't trust a word the man says and would never do business with him again as long as I live.

If Daniel suggested opening the box to verify this is just uncalled for. No Alpha Booster Boxes were ever factory shrink wrapped. First off you can tell if the seal is from the factory which is next to impossible to replicate. Second Fallen Empire boosters are not 15 card packs and by just weighing the box you should be able to tell if it's filled with Fallen Empire packs. You can also tell by pushing down the top of the box and seeing the visible packs inside. By opening a Beta booster box you will lose a bit right off the top because then you have the sell the packs individually and the buyer will not know if the packs are searched or not. That being said I know a few people that would be willing to purchase a Beta Booster box if you are considering selling one then I should be able to hook you up with a buyer and bypass Chang and his unscrupulous reputation.

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caquaa
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posted March 08, 2016 07:35 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for caquaa Click Here to Email caquaa Send a private message to caquaa Click to send caquaa an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View caquaa's Trade Auction or SaleView caquaa's Trade Auction or Sale
Daniel Chang talks a good game, but I'd stay far away. He doesn't have as good a reputation as he would lead you to believe.

I'd also most certainly not open the boxes. If your buyer would like to open the boxes to confirm the content after agreeing on a price, you having cash in hand and doing so in person, thats great. I'm fairly certain a number of buyers would leave the seal intact so there is no reason to remove that pool of buyers.

As long as you don't need the money, I wouldn't be in any hurry to sell. Buyers that can afford these and are in the market don't come up that often. You'll get a lot of low to mid offers right off the bat from people looking to make a buck.

 
BetaBoosterBox
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posted March 08, 2016 08:17 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for BetaBoosterBox Send a private message to BetaBoosterBox Click to send BetaBoosterBox an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Thank you all for your opinions and feedback on my questions. I know for a 100% fact that these boxes haven't been altered in any way since I originally bought them in Fall of 1993. I don't plan on removing the plastic seal from the boxes, now that I know that there is no way these can be Alpha boxes. I'm fine with the fact they are Beta... Apparently still extremely rare! Does anyone know the numbers that are out there for remaining boxes? Still curious as to the last time a box was sold, and for how much? Who would you all recommend I contact for an appraisal/confirmation of the boxes? (And my loose cards?) I appreciate any other info you all can shoot my way.

Dave

 
Vermilion
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posted March 09, 2016 03:37 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Vermilion Click Here to Email Vermilion Send a private message to Vermilion Click to send Vermilion an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Dave I sent you a message you can email me and I can give you a general idea of what the box is worth and get you some solid offers.
 
LandDestroyer
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posted March 09, 2016 06:15 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View LandDestroyer's Have/Want ListView LandDestroyer's Have/Want List
Here are a few groups on fb you could use just for discussion

https://www.facebook.com/groups/137661199737593/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/VintageMTGACC/

Then later on you could use

https://www.facebook.com/groups/highendmtg/

and other groups

I think all of us here would be interested in seeing pictures

 
Vermilion
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posted March 09, 2016 08:32 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Vermilion Click Here to Email Vermilion Send a private message to Vermilion Click to send Vermilion an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Dave there is a sealed group on FB that you can use as well if you'd like in I can post a link here once I get home from work.
 
LandDestroyer
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posted March 09, 2016 08:49 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View LandDestroyer's Have/Want ListView LandDestroyer's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by Vermilion:
Dave there is a sealed group on FB that you can use as well if you'd like in I can post a link here once I get home from work.

You mean the first link i posted or a different group? :-p

 
Vermilion
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posted March 09, 2016 02:45 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Vermilion Click Here to Email Vermilion Send a private message to Vermilion Click to send Vermilion an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
You mean the first link i posted or a different group? :-p

I can't click on the links at work.

 
headumpire
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posted March 09, 2016 03:34 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for headumpire Click Here to Email headumpire Send a private message to headumpire Click to send headumpire an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Vermillion is the guy to talk to on this stuff for sure. That being said, I would definitely be an interested buyer, feel free and email me on my profile. But Vermillion is the man in terms of authenticity and connections.

I would be happy to look at it also in terms of authenticity...

 
BetaBoosterBox
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posted March 09, 2016 04:33 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for BetaBoosterBox Send a private message to BetaBoosterBox Click to send BetaBoosterBox an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Thank you all! You've been great in helping get my questions answered. I will definitely post pics of the boxes once I am able... Will be a few weeks in all likelihood (possibly as far off as June) before I will be able to travel and grab my collections. Again, I am just doing the preliminary work on researching these items and getting a better understanding of their importance in the MTG world.

Dave

 

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