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Originally posted by Harmless:
Not really. You were just spamming the thread with no relevant information. You can get away with that here because of the vastly prevalent snobbish attitude. I do agree that the OP there was quite dumb for doing so though.

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While I'm not a fan of the "Salvation NOOOOO!" crap that goes on here, I gotta ask. Did you really just sign up to try and get back at OGB?

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Originally posted by Harmless:
Not really. You were just spamming the thread with no relevant information. You can get away with that here because of the vastly prevalent snobbish attitude. I do agree that the OP there was quite dumb for doing so though.

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Because the OP on Salvation removed the lower "per playset" buy price, I PM'ed the mod who gave me the warning to reconsider, based on the fact that the OP took my suggestion, which completely and totally nullifies the argument that my post was irrelevant spam.

I'll keep you posted on the details.

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Originally posted by stu55:

Also, asking for some one to cover the fees of the CC charge is not against paypal's rules at all because they have no way of tracking that. How are they to know if the item is worth $10 or $10.40?

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Originally posted by wayne:

What was this about? Did paypal change something?

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No no.
MTGS implemented a new rule now allowing people selling cards there to charge people for paying with CC's and "payment" type transfers. Paypal still works the same.

Though I could easily just counteract this "smart" policy it by increasing all my cards for sale by 5% and giving 5% discounts to those who pay with non-cc gift.

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Originally posted by wayne:

What was this about? Did paypal change something?

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PayPal didn't change anything. Salvation changed their rules for the Sales Market so that you couldn't require a buyer to pay using the Gift/Personal Payment option.

And at the same time, they also decided to preemptively match PayPal's policy of not charging the buyer the fees associated with the sale. My guess is that has more to do with retailers and people with websites who list items individually priced for all. Since people checking out of those websites may have payment options they aren't allowed to charge anything on top of the listed price that specifically states it's to cover their own fees.

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Originally posted by junichi:
Did Sally left the gate open or something?

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Originally posted by wayne:

BSc mate, BS sounds horrible

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I actually wrote out "Bachelor of Science degree in Mathematics..." before he axed the whole thread. Although, properly, I should have written B.S. in this thread. No one I know writes "BSc" or "B.Sc."; I think that's English rather than American.

Back on topic...

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What was this about? Did paypal change something?

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No, it's the same thing that's always been there - to receive money from a CC the seller pays a certain percentage to PayPal. So, many sellers ask the buyers to pay slightly more to cover this. If you want to actually get $10 net payment, you ask a buyer to pay $10.40, then PayPal takes out 4%, leaving you with $10.00 (well, technically $9.98 or $9.99, but calculating down to the penny gets ridiculous). Sellers could raise prices slightly, but it punishes those who buy without a CC.

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I think the anti-Salvation sentiment here often gets out of hand (and I actually spend a good amount of time on both sites) and some criticisms of MTGS are simply the result of the traffic, not reflective of the overall site. If 1% of the general population of the internet are ridiculously oblivious idiots (yeah, yeah, I know...), on MTGS that may result in an average of one or two on every forum, while on MOTL, that might be simply a rounding error due to a small sample size. Some days you get one, some days there are none. That's why we all complain the most about people's h/w lists or sale/buy lists; there are more people posting there than in other places.

So, when there's three people here who are idiots, it looks huge. Three people on MTGS is nothing. Only three idiots on WotC's forums means that the site is down for repair.

I do agree that the MTGS moderators are a little heavy handed with the warnings. If Jazaray is MOTL's mommy who sometimes has to slap someone's hand and give him a time out for running around with scissors, some of the moderators on MTGS are scary step-dads who don't allow running of any kind in or around the house.

Sorry for the way I came across, I was just adopting the perspective of an MTGSalvation mod when replying to OGB. I guess I did cross the line a bit about the snob point, which was my own, but the responses haven't helped to live that particular reputation down, as stu55 mentioned.

I've actually been lurking here for many months, I just hadn't made an account until now. Honestly, it's these types of responses that kept me from wanting to join. I admit that I am no better for making the initial attack though, so I'm sorry if anyone took it personally.

And to OGB: It was considered spam the same way "+1" is because a lot of message boards are not democracies, and replying to a gaff publicly, rather than privately through a PM, can only be seen as an ego-boosting move, and thus nonessential. Again, I'm only thinking like a moderator, which isn't inherently a good thing.

I also may not have been clear when referring to Paypal's policies. They frown upon people accepting "Gift" payments for business transactions, which is what most card selling is. Of course you could always just charge more for your items rather than ask for the 4% fee on top, but that's a lot more work. Honestly I'd love if we could all make "Gift" payments guilt-free. Paypal just doesn't like it.

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Originally posted by stacker:
MTGS mods hand out warnings like candy, a lot of them do really lack common sense.

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That is a huge difference.

I asked the mod to reverse my warning, and he responded that the fact that the OP changed his thread doesn't change the fact that I made a post that could have turned out to be detrimental to his business.

So this guy posts something that anyone with a singular, half-functioning brain cell would find ridiculous. I point it out, and get warned because it could have been DETRIMANTAL TO HIS BUSINESS?!?!

So, basaed on that reasoning, if someone posts a thread selling fake Moxes, and I post that that's illegal, I'd get warned because my post may be detrimental to his business.

I can honestly say I've never been as proud of being an MOTL member as I am at this moment.

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why is it every time you get into an argument over something you immediately make the most outrageous examples you can think of to support your side?

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Originally posted by mastertransmuter:
MTGS does have a reasonable wiki that helps me know a bit more about sets I didn't play at the time. Thanks for that, at least...
So, let's say that I am a high school student. And let's say that the school has an MTG club. How difficult would it be for the said club to organize, say, a sanctioned tournament where players would receive DCI ratings changes and promo cards and the like? Would, say, the organizer of the club just go on the Wizards Play Network site and register a play location, or do they have to be a retailer?

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As long as you meet at a location open to the public, you just have to apply at the WPN site. No need to be a retailer at all.

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Originally posted by JesusChristMD:
OGB, you broke the rules. You got warned for breaking the rules. 'Nuff said.

why is it every time you get into an argument over something you immediately make the most outrageous examples you can think of to support your side?

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According to that mod, I broke the rules. According to every reasonable person, I didn't. The OP practically admitted it by changing his post.

And I'm only using his wording, which I'd be more than happy to post. Perhaps that mod should learn to explain himself better.

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Originally posted by JesusChristMD:
OGB, you broke the rules. You got warned for breaking the rules. 'Nuff said.

why is it every time you get into an argument over something you immediately make the most outrageous examples you can think of to support your side?

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Are you joking? That wasn't even spam! I saw the post, it was a legit question about why the pricing was as it is.

Quit trying to troll this conversation when everyone is overwhelmingly on OGB's side here.

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Originally posted by MTGO UPDATE:
Downtime Notes for 8/25/2010

The system will be down from 8:00 AM PDT (1500 UTC) to 2:00 PM PDT (2100 UTC)
The system will go into ‘No Pay’ at 5:00 AM PDT (1200 UTC).
Store and trades will shut off at approximately 7:45 am PDT (1445 UTC).
This downtime is expected to last approximately 6 hours.

General

* From the Vault: Relics content.
* Sol Ring banned in 100 Card Singleton, Prismatic, Tribal Wars Classic, Legacy; Restricted in Classic and Classic Vanguard.

Card Rules

* Fixed endless loop with Hermit Druid and Progenitus
* Fixed Global Ruin to not sacrifice with Tajuru Preserver out
* Fixed Farrel's Mantle to allow the correct player to choose to use ability
* Fixed Forcefield not able to select creatures with shroud

User Interface

* Fixed AE appearing as ? in abilities on the stack
* Added missing Mox Ruby art

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Originally posted by stacker:
MTGS mods hand out warnings like candy, a lot of them do really lack common sense.

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Haha yes. I've been a mod on a big forum for 6-7 years now and I can't believe anyone would have the time to hand out warnings like the guys on MTGsalvation.

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Originally posted by stu55:
One other thing...this is for the record and to be remembered around December.

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while mox ruby being added to mtgo is interesting, don't they have all cards in gatherer on there? Or something like that...

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Originally posted by stu55:

Are you joking? That wasn't even spam! I saw the post, it was a legit question about why the pricing was as it is.

Quit trying to troll this conversation when everyone is overwhelmingly on OGB's side here.

If you love Salvation that much why not go back over there, no one will miss you here, trust me.

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Majority's don't rule.

I don't care about your opinion or anyone else's about me.
It doesn't change the fact that he broke a rule.

Edit: He not be.