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Originally posted by otrtrader:
As far as I know they stopped doing that. I used to bag an acct. With wizards and was one of their premier dealers in the late 90s. But I was told they stopped the direct from wizards acct. Maybe 2007. All the stores I know of have to go through a distributor to get their product.

And wizards is starting to do away with their whole promotional packages.

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Originally posted by bcclar77:

Yeah - this is just false. Wizards very much still wholesales directly to shops and these shops have to maintain order levels to keep their Gold Status if they have it.

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As you know, only B&M shops can get a WOTC account and buy from the main distributors.

These distributors can no longer ship products as early as they once did (i expect this to be changed once a few shops don't get their product for release due to UPS snafus.

Second hand distributors that can sell product to anybody are no longer allowed to ship to other shops or players until the day of release.

This means that instead of getting my cases on the day before or the day of release, I will receive my cases today.

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Originally posted by bcclar77:

Yeah - this is just false. Wizards very much still wholesales directly to shops and these shops have to maintain order levels to keep their Gold Status if they have it.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
I've been in places that banned trading at the front of the store. You could trade all you wanted at the tables at the back and upstairs, but they justifiably were cautious about there being a bunch of binders and loose cards up where -their- binders and loose cards were.

But anybody -selling- cards was basically up for a lifetime ban from the store.

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Well I concur with the ole lifetime ban. If someone is selling cards in someone else's shop, who pays the rent, then all bets are off.

Trading is a part of the game. I think most shop owners believe that.

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Originally posted by majicman:
Well I concur with the ole lifetime ban. If someone is selling cards in someone else's shop, who pays the rent, then all bets are off.

Trading is a part of the game. I think most shop owners believe that.

Regards...Greg

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Originally posted by Zakman86:
I think if you're going to ban people for selling in your store that you had better be able to support your local community's needs in terms of singles, else you aren't losing business because you don't have what your customer base wants and it's irrelevant.

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Ppl still will sell cards that you have in inventory (eg Big events, GP's). You are losing business if you let ppl sell in your store. For example, would Wal-Mart let ppl sell cars on their floor?

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Originally posted by choco man:
Ppl still will sell cards that you have in inventory (eg Big events, GP's). You are losing business if you let ppl sell in your store. For example, would Wal-Mart let ppl sell cars on their floor?

If you sell stuff at someone's store, you deserve a ban.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
The players aren't going to pay your terribad prices anyway

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I see people buying from stores (and dealers at events) quite frequently.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
If you *deal* in another store, sure. But between players? Why? The players aren't going to pay your terribad prices anyway, even if you didn't have any stock. And the players already support the store by entering drafts and whatnot.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
I see people buying from stores (and dealers at events) quite frequently.

I agree with Zak though, no reason to ban players for selling cards if you don't have them in stock.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Taking this even further, I usually had the older legacy/vintage stock and if somebody needed 4 STP the owner would ask me to sell X cards to the kid. We had a pretty good relationship since I'd help the newer players build decks, give out my draft stuff afterwards, and I dumped about 10K of commons/uncommons for people to pick through (there was some decent stuff in there). It could be that I was just good for business and since he only carried newer stuff he would ask me to sell older stuff to people.

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Originally posted by otrtrader:
The store I go to regularly does pretty much the same thing with me. Only the store would buy from me at a higher price than they would anyone else, and sell to the player at their price. The store likes me cause when ever they need an old card they can ask and ill either have it on me or can get it in about 20 min. But other than that I don't sell at other pops shops, that just rude and inconciderate. They opened the store for us to play at and don't charge for us to play. So I have no problem helping the store out.

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1. Computer paper - Roughly $3 for a pack of 500 papers
2. Printer ink cartrages - Roughly $20 per ink cartrage for non color ink.
3. Toploaders - Roughly $50 per 1000 toploaders
4. Envelopes/bubble mailers - Roughly $2 for a pack of 50-60 envelopes and roughly .10 per size 000 bubble mailer when bought in bulk.
5. Shipping labels - Roughly $10 for a pack of 500 labels.
6. Ebay/Paypal fees - Roughly 10% total of an items final value.
7. Shipping costs/stamps - .64 per envelope times x amount of items.
8. Ebay listing fees - .35 per listing
9. Store subscripion $16 a month but each listing becomes .20

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Originally posted by mm1983:
Selling on Ebay has it's costs too which can run in the couple hundred dollar range a month whether you are a dealer or not. Here is a list of things that it takes if you sell hundreds of items a month.

6. Ebay/Paypal fees - Roughly 10% total of an items final value.

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The combined Ebay/Paypal fees are more like 14%, unless you are selling playsets of high value stuff, in which case it will be ~11-12%

I thought eBay/Paypal fees are about 12%. 9% for sale assuming it's an auction or mixed auction+BIN. I think BIN has a tiered system, higher % up to $50, then lower for $50.01-100.00, etc. Paypal will take its 2.9%+0.30 so that comes out to about 12% plus 0.30. I could be wrong though.

Auction fees are free for up to 50 listings per month. I am not really sure about store subscriptions because I don't sell there nearly enough to warrant getting one.

The other costs eventually add up, but are pretty negligible for individual sending. Selling on eBay means buyer is paying for shipping, so you shouldn't add in "shipping costs/stamps." Plus, considering eBay has cheaper shipping because of their discounts with USPS, if you do something like charge $2.00 (or 2.25-2.50) for shipping, it offsets some of the cost of the rest of items as well.

It costs $1.75 to ship something on eBay that normally costs $2.50 (mainly because delivery confirmation costs 19 cents through eBay, while it normally is 80 cents) so if you charge an extra 25 cents for shipping for every sale you make, it makes up for cost of bubble envelope + toploader at minimum, and maybe a few other things that you would buy bulk (shipping labels, computer paper, ink cartridge).

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
eBay costs are negligible except the fees and store subscription, IMO.

I thought eBay/Paypal fees are about 12%. 9% for sale assuming it's an auction or mixed auction+BIN. I think BIN has a tiered system, higher % up to $50, then lower for $50.01-100.00, etc. Paypal will take its 2.9%+0.30 so that comes out to about 12% plus 0.30. I could be wrong though.

Auction fees are free for up to 50 listings per month. I am not really sure about store subscriptions because I don't sell there nearly enough to warrant getting one.

The other costs eventually add up, but are pretty negligible for individual sending. Selling on eBay means buyer is paying for shipping, so you shouldn't add in "shipping costs/stamps." Plus, considering eBay has cheaper shipping because of their discounts with USPS, if you do something like charge $2.00 (or 2.25-2.50) for shipping, it offsets some of the cost of the rest of items as well.

It costs $1.75 to ship something on eBay that normally costs $2.50 (mainly because delivery confirmation costs 19 cents through eBay, while it normally is 80 cents) so if you charge an extra 25 cents for shipping for every sale you make, it makes up for cost of bubble envelope + toploader at minimum, and maybe a few other things that you would buy bulk (shipping labels, computer paper, ink cartridge).

I've also had some success putting stuff as "free shipping" but increasing the base price by like $3.00, which is actually higher than what I would have put for shipping but it still sells.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
eBay costs are negligible except the fees and store subscription, IMO.

I thought eBay/Paypal fees are about 12%. 9% for sale assuming it's an auction or mixed auction+BIN. I think BIN has a tiered system, higher % up to $50, then lower for $50.01-100.00, etc. Paypal will take its 2.9%+0.30 so that comes out to about 12% plus 0.30. I could be wrong though.

Auction fees are free for up to 50 listings per month. I am not really sure about store subscriptions because I don't sell there nearly enough to warrant getting one.

The other costs eventually add up, but are pretty negligible for individual sending. Selling on eBay means buyer is paying for shipping, so you shouldn't add in "shipping costs/stamps." Plus, considering eBay has cheaper shipping because of their discounts with USPS, if you do something like charge $2.00 (or 2.25-2.50) for shipping, it offsets some of the cost of the rest of items as well.

It costs $1.75 to ship something on eBay that normally costs $2.50 (mainly because delivery confirmation costs 19 cents through eBay, while it normally is 80 cents) so if you charge an extra 25 cents for shipping for every sale you make, it makes up for cost of bubble envelope + toploader at minimum, and maybe a few other things that you would buy bulk (shipping labels, computer paper, ink cartridge).

I've also had some success putting stuff as "free shipping" but increasing the base price by like $3.00, which is actually higher than what I would have put for shipping but it still sells.

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Wow, Ebay/Paypal costs eat up even more than my 14% estimate, lol.

Ebay link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html#fvf_fixed

Paypal fee is 3.9% for international payments. Only start falling to 3.5% if you accept over $3000/mth
Paypal fee is 2.9% for USA payments. Only start falling to 2.5% if you accept over $3000/mth

Calculations below based on 3.9% international payments. If you are USA, just minus 1% from the result as you pay 1% less in paypal fees.

Shipping is factored in as part of the cost as
1) You pay paypal fees on the shipping portion now
2) You pay ebay fees on the shipping portion now

Auction Style Listing: Flat 9% final value fee, cap at $100

$50 Auction comprising $48 card + $2 shipping.
Ebay fee = $4.50 (9.0%)
Paypal = $1.95 (3.9%)
Shipping = $2.00
Total = $8.45 or 16.9% cost

$100 Auction comprising $48 card + $2 shipping.
Ebay fee = $9.00 (9.0%)
Paypal = $3.90 (3.9%)
Shipping = $2.00
Total = $14.90 or 14.9% cost

For $50 Fixed Price Ebay (fixed price to ensure you don't get a freak result), comprising $48 price and $2 shipping.

Paypal fees: $1.95 (3.9% of $50)
Ebay fees: $5.50 (11% of $50)
Total fees: $7.45
Shipping: $2.00
Total costs: $9.45....For $50 BIN, you only get $40.55, which is like, 18.9% cost?

For $100 Fixed Price Ebay (fixed price to ensure you don't get a freak result), comprising $98 price and $2 shipping.

Paypal fees: $3.90 (3.9% of $100)
Ebay fees: $8.50 (11% of $50 + 6% of last $50)
Total fees: $12.40
Shipping: $2.00
Total costs: $14.40....For $100 BIN, you only get $85.60, which is like, 14.4% cost?

For $200 Fixed Price Ebay (fixed price to ensure you don't get a freak result), comprising $198 price and $2 shipping.

Paypal fees: $7.80 (3.9% of $200)
Ebay fees: $14.50 (11% of $50 + 6% of last $150)
Total fees: $22.30
Shipping: $2.00
Total costs: $24.30....For $200 BIN, you only get $175.70, which is like, 12.2% cost?

For $400 Fixed Price Ebay (fixed price to ensure you don't get a freak result), comprising $398 price and $2 shipping.

Paypal fees: $15.60 (3.9% of $400)
Ebay fees: $26.50 (11% of $50 + 6% of last $350)
Total fees: $42.10
Shipping: $2.00
Total costs: $44.10....For $400 BIN, you only get $355.90, which is like, 11.0% cost?

Auction Style listing pretty much cost you 12.90%, unless your auction can end at over $1111. But how many of you get to auction something that will end at more than $1111? Beta Lotus? Your entire MTG collection?

You pretty much need to sell at $400 BIN to pay only 11% in total fees. I am not sure how many MTG cards out there can give you $400 BIN. Maybe playset of Rev Seas and Rev Tropical Island?

If you are selling a $50 card, or a playset worth $50 (a card worth $12.50 is already more valuable than 99% of MTG cards out there), you get hit with 19% cost. Good luck!

International Sellers
So ebay/paypal costs are ~14.90% for auction style, and 14.4%-18.9% for BIN between $50-$100.

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Originally posted by NiceFaceLOL:
One of my local stores would let you sell anything they didn't have in stock but they got 7.5% of the total sale price. Not the greatest policy but much better than most stores. They stopped doing it a while ago, for legal reasons, I think.

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I guess I am one of the lucky ones then. The local shop by me knows that I am in the business. So much so that he has given me plenty of deals which nets him money and still lets me make a profit on top of it. I'm always being asked about prices and he fully knows what I am doing, and he is ok with it. heck, I've even shown me the prices I have need to compete with, mostly dealing with e-bay pricing here.

The only exception to the fully open policy is buying and selling cards. However, if he doesn't have something or it is an item he feels he can't move (foil sales are really bad here), he will call me over and tell me to go ahead on a specific thing if I am interested or have the certain cards. He asks for nothing in return and the working relatonship is great. I think the oddest was when we had the store and an outside dealer for Vintage... and I was still allowed to purchase Jaces (before they dropped) because neither one wanted them.

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