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Originally posted by daner:
Because people are idiots. Unless you own a store you probably shouldn't walk around thinking you're a dealer, because you're not. You hit the nail on the head with the dealer "overhead" comment. I don't blame people for trying to squeeze every penny out of their cards with the current economy but it is getting a little rediculis. Now I'll wait for some "dealer" to chime in on the subject and tell us that we are wrong.

Remember, if you don't own a store front, and possibly a online store too(not just an ebay account) your'e not a dealer...you just sell Magic cards.

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Pretty much spot on. A bunch of people now think they are a dealer and can command premium prices for some reason.

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But he was just a dealer ******* and I'm proud to never have to see him ever again.

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Originally posted by joz:
I met a "dealer" while i was in Menomonie, he liked to give people 15-30% of the value of their cards, and played EDH "to win and not have fun."

But he was just a dealer ******* and I'm proud to never have to see him ever again.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
I actually cost a dealer hundreds of dollar of business back in the day. He was set up at the Connecticut state champs, and one of the kids in our store pulled a foil temple garden and traded it to the dealer for like 3 packs or something (I am talking 7-8 years old). Needless to say his prices were incredibly high and I got angry dealing with him but ripping the little kid set me off. We basically took the tables surrounding him and told everyone what he did and he did practically no business after that.

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and if your a girl, I'd buy you a horse.

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Originally posted by otrtrader:
Something else that gets me is this whole pack to power thing... I'm tired of being offered a Jace and 4 SoFI for a timetwister or 4 jaces for a mox.... Really who comes out better in that deal?

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Originally posted by daner:
Remember, if you don't own a store front, and possibly a online store too(not just an ebay account) your'e not a dealer...you just sell Magic cards.

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My main market, the shops with shop fronts were basically routed by the individual "big scale mtg sellers", what other people will describe as "dealers". The shops tried opening packs to sell T2 with some success, until the main distributorship changed hands and increase their cost of packs tremendously.

So I must say different places have different markets. Ii used 1 shop's infrastructure a bit so I gave the owner a small annual amount. But I think I am the only one who do so.

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Originally posted by joz:
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I wish you were my son so I could buy you a brand new mustang.

and if your a girl, I'd buy you a horse.

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He sells single at SCG + 10% wich SUCKSBADLYBBQSAUCE IMHO :/

Waiting for his response

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Originally posted by Heresy19:
Isn't it the same thing?

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car or living animal?

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Originally posted by joz:
car or living animal?

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Originally posted by Soldier Boi:
I dont think its that people are tryin to buy and sell at retail value. I think its because stores are lowering their prices to everyone elses price. (Well there are some who do but I'm not talking about them.) Its just that since Star City increased the popularity of legacy all the people who use to collect cards just because have all the cards people are looking for. Since there are more "non-dealer" sellers out there selling cards for cheaper than what the shops are (excluding standard), places have to lower their prices to keep up. Especially because legacy and EDH are probalby the 2 biggest formats at the moment since Caw-Blade ran through standard.

It may not be a 100% correct but thats how I see it. I have been seeing a lot of cards sell at card shops for the same price as they sell on ebay.

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Originally posted by otrtrader:
That's just it, me being in the game since 93 I have a rather extensive legacy/vintage collection. And I'm using this as an example, I have 93 fows. I'm not coming off them. Most of them I got when they were .25, and the most expensive one I paid for was $26. To me its not worth $70. But, let's say I traded 4 of them to player A. I wouldn't want any more the 30-40 each in trade for it and he would go sell to player B for full retail... Shoot I remember trading mountains for mox rubys. I have come to notice that almost every player sees magic as a get rich quick scheme. It's to the point I don't take my collection to shops anymore because ppl try to low ball me on the cards,(someone said they value a beta black lotus at 300 because it has minor play wear on it) or they think I have so many cards I won't miss a few that grows legs. I just don't like ppl thinking everyone is a sucker. There is one poster on here who states in his rules on his h/w list that he only trades up... I think that says "hey trade with me and you will be scr**** out of your cards"

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Originally posted by Heresy19:
Well one of my ''rules'' is that I HATE to trade down.... I do it sometimes, but I don't like it :P

I can understand some people here who dosen't want their 200$+ cards traded away for a bunch of 30-40$ cards. But to ONLY trade up is something else tho :/

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Trading down is not the same as I'll buy your Jaces for $40 and sell you Jaces @ $60. Nobody likes trading down, and you are trading...not buying and selling. MOTL is a community that was built on the idea that players could exchange cards for other cards. As long as each person is happy there is nothing wrong.

It's when you throw up a buy list that says I buy for X amount less and sell for x amount more thinking you're SCG or something like that but in reality you're some dufuss living in your parents basement is what needs to ****ing stop.

Trading down or up is all opinion and it works different for different people, but in this case i value bulk/unwanted cards lower than their actual value. I am the kind of person who would trade a $200 card for twenty $10s, if they are all 'staples' or highly wanted. I trade $10 cards for a stack of $.25-1.00 cards and try to get a premium though because i can never get the full $10 value back.
Particularly if someone has like 80 of a crap card, i do feel like "dude, you can kick me an extra dollars worth of jank that you could not possibly miss".

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by oneofchaos:
I actually cost a dealer hundreds of dollar of business back in the day. He was set up at the Connecticut state champs, and one of the kids in our store pulled a foil temple garden and traded it to the dealer for like 3 packs or something (I am talking 7-8 years old). Needless to say his prices were incredibly high and I got angry dealing with him but ripping the little kid set me off. We basically took the tables surrounding him and told everyone what he did and he did practically no business after that.

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Aw thanks. The mustang works :P.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by oneofchaos:
I actually cost a dealer hundreds of dollar of business back in the day. He was set up at the Connecticut state champs, and one of the kids in our store pulled a foil temple garden and traded it to the dealer for like 3 packs or something (I am talking 7-8 years old). Needless to say his prices were incredibly high and I got angry dealing with him but ripping the little kid set me off. We basically took the tables surrounding him and told everyone what he did and he did practically no business after that.

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But in all seriousness, I do my best to not rip people off if they look under the age of 18. A kid at the store two months ago offered me his Tezzeret agent of bolas for my 2 raging ravines and I told his mother that the card was around 30 bucks and to not let him trade it off for junk. [/QUOTE]

Seriously, now I need a picture of you so I can enshrine it in the Hall of Heros I have in my shower.

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Now I'll wait for some "dealer" to chime in on the subject and tell us that we are wrong.

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I'll chime in for you guys.

Market prices are generally 75% of dealer prices. Popular legacy cards will be at about 80%. If you think about it, store overhead accounts for at least 20% of those expenses and is the reason for this difference.

As a dealer, there are a few ways to go about pricing but to get accurate dealer prices you should average the top 10 online magic stores.

I consistently see people buying cards for the lowest TCG player price for cash even though every store selling there gets hit with a 10% fee at minimum for fees and commissions to them.

While there's nothing wrong with the general public attempting to get dealer prices on cards, it's simply outrageous to tell people that you want dealer prices when you are not a dealer and don't have overhead.