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coolio Member	posted October 20, 2011 06:20 AM quote: Originally posted by Zakman86: Suggestion: Play something other than Solar Flare. agreed.. the deck was never great.. it just had popularity.. until ppl realized how to beat it. й __________________ Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong. -Christopher Hitchens Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -Seneca the Younger
MasterWolf Member	posted October 20, 2011 06:23 AM quote: Originally posted by MeddlingMage: Working on my Solar Flare SB for this Friday's FNM. Any suggestions? Here is what I go so far: 2x Dissipate 2x Revoke Existence 2x Purify the Grave 1x Celestial Purge (would like another one) 1x Timely Reinforcements (Maybe cut out) 1x Surgical Extraction (Love this card) 1x Day of Judgment 5 slots left My deck is is listed here: http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/034636.html Thanks! ~MM Sever is so good.
psilence6k Member	posted October 20, 2011 08:33 AM I actually just wrote an article for my blog that shows the state of the metagame based off of States / Provincials and the GP! It analyses which decks placed the most and has some interesting data points. Check it out if you're so inclined! The link is in my sig. Cheers, Carl __________________ The mana pool has all the answers... especially 'no'. Check out my MTG Blog! Http://donttrainmyorgg.blogspot.com[/small] [Edited 1 times, lastly by psilence6k on October 20, 2011]
MeddlingMage Member	posted October 20, 2011 05:19 PM What about this Solar Flare Deck ~MM __________________ I am MeddlingMage...YOUR Motl Survivor 11 Champion, 2007 Captain N award winner, 2010 Marlboro award winner, and 2011 Champion Tournament Pick'em MOTL NCAA Bracket Challenge winner! CM Punk "OMG Kevin Nash WTF, thought he was dead, LOL" New keeper of the Logout button
MeddlingMage Member	posted December 12, 2011 07:49 PM So what's everybody playing now? Care to share your deck lists? ~MM __________________ I am MeddlingMage...YOUR Motl Survivor 11 Champion, 2007 Captain N award winner, 2010 Marlboro award winner, and 2011 Champion Tournament Pick'em MOTL NCAA Bracket Challenge winner! CM Punk "OMG Kevin Nash WTF, thought he was dead, LOL" New keeper of the Logout button
yakusoku Member	posted December 12, 2011 08:41 PM quote: Originally posted by MeddlingMage: So what's everybody playing now? Care to share your deck lists? ~MM I've been playing Wolf Run Ramp for awhile. I've been winning enough to "go infinite" (win back more in store credit than I pay in the entry fee). Last week, I played this to 3-1: 4 Birds of Paradise 4 Dungrove Elder 2 Thrun, the Last Troll 3 Solemn Simulacrum 4 Primeval Titan 2 Wurmcoil Engine 4 Garruk, Primal Hunter 4 Rampant Growth 4 Autumn's Veil 4 Green Sun's Zenith 1 Mountain 1 Inkmoth Nexus 1 Kessig Wolf Run 22 Forest My friend thought I was insane for running 4 Autumn's Veil maindeck, but I NEVER sided them out. He asked me, "What do you do when you face a non-blue deck" Me: "Besides me, who's running a non-blue deck tonight?" I think there was someone else running WRR, and a RDW deck, otherwise, the field was URB control, UB control, UW Illusions, UWB control, GRU aggro-control, UR Delver, URB Burning Vengeance. EVERYONE but two other people and me seemed to be running 4ManaLeak.dec as their deck. Autumn's Veil was awesome in that meta (as was Thrun). I only lost one match because I had to race Grave Titan, and when my opponent had NO cards in hand, he started his turn, played Forbidden Alchemy during his main phase and kept one card and passed the turn. I had little recourse other than hoping he was bluffing me, and I attacked with Inkmoth Nexus and pumped it up for 9. He played Wring Flesh. If only I had an Autumn's Veil that game... The week before, I went 4-0 with a heavier red version of WRR: 4 Galvanic Blast 3 Slagstorm 4 Rampant Growth 4 Garruk Primal Hunter 4 Green Sun's Zenith 4 Birds of Paradise 3 Solemn Simulacrum 1 Acidic Slime 4 Primeval Titan 4 Inferno Titan 4 Rootbound Crag 4 Copperline Gorge 2 Kessig Wolf Run 4 Inkmoth Nexus 2 Mountain 9 Forest Despite my better record, I didn't feel like my deck was better or I played better or even that my draws were necessarily that much better. I got some above average draws, while one of my opponents had a bad draw, and I just played spell after spell, until one hit. In the mirror, I won by virtue of ramping out faster than he did, landing Inferno Titan, which cleared his board, then next turn playing a second Inferno Titan to deal 3 to his Primeval Titan and the attack from the first killed it. He had no answers to double Inferno Titan. The deck is still good, but you have to play and build it correctly and I still haven't come up with a good sideboard.
wayne Member	posted December 12, 2011 10:44 PM quote: Originally posted by MeddlingMage: So what's everybody playing now? Care to share your deck lists? ~MM RDW with Koths, don't have the decklist with me now since I do not have access to MTGO.
caquaa Member	posted December 13, 2011 12:41 AM quote: Originally posted by MeddlingMage: So what's everybody playing now? Care to share your deck lists? ~MM solar flare, heh I don't think its as bad as people make it out. My list is a tad unusual w/ the lack of wurm coils main... from memory: 4 mana leak 4 forbidden alchemy 3 think twice 2 snapcaster 2 suntitan 1 rune-scarred demon 1 elesh norn 3 phantasmal image 2 oblivion ring 3 day of judgment 2 timely reinforcements 2 unburial rites 3 doomblade something like that. pretty sure I'm missing a 2-of or my numbers are slightly off on something. It does okay for me. I have wurmcoils in the board for matchups where they're really needed as well as the second elesh.
skizzikmonger Member	posted December 13, 2011 01:10 AM I'm playing Grixis Land-26 3 Blackcleave Cliffs 4 Sulfur Falls 3 Darkslick Shores 2 Dragonskull Summit 2 Drowned Catacomb 1 Stensia Bloodhall 1 Shimmering Grotto 1 Copperline Gorge 4 Mountain 3 Swamp 2 Island Creatures-10 3 Snapcaster Mage 3 Olivia Volderon 2 Consecrated Sphinx 1 Inferno Titan 1 Wurmcoil Engine Planeswalkers-3 3 Liliana of the Veil Spells-21 4 Mana Leak 4 Desperate Ravings 3 Forbidden Alchemy 3 Slagstorm 3 Doom Blade 2 Galvanic Blast 1 Devil's Play 1 Go for the Throat Sideboard 3 Surgical Extraction 2 Flashfreeze 2 Negate 3 Gutshot 2 Ancient Grudge 1 Devil's Play 1 Sorin's Vengence 1 Dismember I'm trying to fins a way to make Shrine of Burning Rage and Chandra, the Firebrand work in this deck. So far, it's been inconsistent so I dropped them (for now).
junichi Moderator	posted December 13, 2011 10:49 AM I went 15-2-1 in the past month with this. 2x Phantasmal Image 2x Sun Titan 4x Snapcaster Mage 3x Day of Judgment 2x Dismember 4x Mana Leak 2x Dissipate 4x Forbidden Alchemy 2x Think Twice 2x Midnight Haunting 3x Timely Reinforcement 1x Unburial Rites 1x White Sun's Zenith 2x Oblivion Ring 3x Drowned Catacomb 2x Ghost Quarter 4x Glacial Fortress 6x Island 1x Isolated Chapel 5x Plains 4x Seachrome Coast 1x Swamp SB: 3x Spellskite 2x Celestial Purge 2x Revoke Existence 1x Timely Reinforcement 3x Shrine of Loyal Legions 2x Marrow Shards 2x Nihil Spellbomb __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 Champion If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way. - Homer
MAB_Rapper Member	posted December 13, 2011 11:51 AM I don't know, but I've been playing that mono-red deck that 6-0'd worlds, with the sideboard tweaked for my meta. The deck is legit. 7-1-1 in the past week. __________________ MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - 2007, 2008, and 2009 (My Nationals) The Official Tower Magic Facebook Page
AlmostGrown Member	posted December 13, 2011 12:02 PM quote: Originally posted by MAB_Rapper: I don't know, but I've been playing that mono-red deck that 6-0'd worlds, with the sideboard tweaked for my meta. The deck is legit. 7-1-1 in the past week. I'm using a slightly modified list (did well at the SCG event 2 weeks ago) with a green splash for Ancient Grudge in the SB and am loving it. The only change in the main deck is -3 Mountain, +3 Rootbound Crag. MAB_Rapper's list for reference: 21 Mountain 4 Chandra's Phoenix 4 Goblin Fireslinger 3 Grim Lavamancer 1 Spikeshot Elder 4 Stormblood Berserker 4 Stromkirk Noble 2 Arc Trail 3 Galvanic Blast 4 Gut Shot 2 Incinerate 4 Shrine of Burning Rage 4 Volt Charge SB: (From Worlds) 2 Arc Trail 4 Dismember 2 Koth of the Hammer 1 Manic Vandal 2 Traitorous Blood 4 Vulshok Refugee
MAB_Rapper Member	posted December 13, 2011 12:37 PM Yeah, but I went with Hero of Oxid Ridge over Koth in the board.
AlmostGrown Member	posted December 13, 2011 01:05 PM quote: Originally posted by MAB_Rapper: Yeah, but I went with Hero of Oxid Ridge over Koth in the board. How many Heros do you sb? I currently have 2 and am thinking of either putting in another, or playing 1 MD. I absolutely hate Koth in the current meta (and my local meta).
echo part 4 Member	posted December 13, 2011 01:46 PM quote: Originally posted by junichi: I went 15-2-1 in the past month with this. 2x Phantasmal Image 2x Sun Titan 4x Snapcaster Mage 3x Day of Judgment 2x Dismember 4x Mana Leak 2x Dissipate 4x Forbidden Alchemy 2x Think Twice 2x Midnight Haunting 3x Timely Reinforcement 1x Unburial Rites 1x White Sun's Zenith 2x Oblivion Ring 3x Drowned Catacomb 2x Ghost Quarter 4x Glacial Fortress 6x Island 1x Isolated Chapel 5x Plains 4x Seachrome Coast 1x Swamp SB: 3x Spellskite 2x Celestial Purge 2x Revoke Existence 1x Timely Reinforcement 3x Shrine of Loyal Legions 2x Marrow Shards 2x Nihil Spellbomb looks good. something similiar to what i've been wanting to play.
MAB_Rapper Member	posted December 13, 2011 01:48 PM quote: Originally posted by AlmostGrown: How many Heros do you sb? I currently have 2 and am thinking of either putting in another, or playing 1 MD. I absolutely hate Koth in the current meta (and my local meta). I am doing 2 now, since drawing that many early is still a problem. __________________ MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - 2007, 2008, and 2009 (My Nationals) The Official Tower Magic Facebook Page
MeddlingMage Member	posted December 30, 2011 09:44 AM I'm still playing Solar Flare at the moment. It is so much fun and seems to consistently have answers I need. I also am looking at Burning Vengeance decks. Anyone have a decklist they've had success with lately? ~MM __________________ I am MeddlingMage...YOUR Motl Survivor 11 Champion, 2007 Captain N award winner, 2010 Marlboro award winner, and 2011 Champion Tournament Pick'em MOTL NCAA Bracket Challenge winner! CM Punk "OMG Kevin Nash WTF, thought he was dead, LOL" New keeper of the Logout button
oneofchaos Member	posted December 30, 2011 10:16 AM quote: Originally posted by MeddlingMage: I'm still playing Solar Flare at the moment. It is so much fun and seems to consistently have answers I need. I also am looking at Burning Vengeance decks. Anyone have a decklist they've had success with lately? ~MM Here is my take on it. In regards to the off color flashback costs, I just play 4 grotto and get one and I am set for the game. I don't think it is the most powerful manabase by any means, but 4 colorless lands has never hurt me. // Lands 4 [ISD] Sulfur Falls 6 [7E] Mountain (2) 10 [B] Island (1) 4 [ISD] Shimmering Grotto // Creatures 4 [ISD] Snapcaster Mage // Spells 3 [MBS] Slagstorm 2 [TSP] Ancient Grudge 3 [ISD] Burning Vengeance 3 [ISD] Geistflame 1 [ISD] Sever the Bloodline 1 [ISD] Devil's Play 4 [SH] Mana Leak 4 [ISD] Forbidden Alchemy 3 [FNM] Dissipate 4 [ISD] Desperate Ravings 4 [TSP] Think Twice // Sideboard SB: 1 [MBS] Slagstorm SB: 2 [TSP] Ancient Grudge SB: 4 [FBP] Chandra's Phoenix SB: 1 [ISD] Tribute to Hunger SB: 2 [NPH] Surgical Extraction SB: 3 [M12] Flashfreeze
blackmoon74x9 Member	posted December 30, 2011 10:55 AM This is my deck i play at my LGS. I got first place last week. I beat mage blade, GB infect, 2x GW aggro, and solar flare. 4 Champion of the Parish 4 Doomed Traveler 3 Fiend Hunter 3 Geist of Saint Traft 4 Grand Abolisher 4 Hero of Bladehold 4 Mirran Crusader 4 Honor of the Pure 4 Mana Leak 4 Oblivion Ring 4 Glacial Fortress 3 Moorland Haunt 11 Plains 3 Seachrome Coast 1 Island SB 3 Divine offering 3 Negate 3 Celestial Purge 3 Flash Freeze 3 Timely Reinforcements I learned when playing control decks is try and bait them out and let them counter early spells to let them waste the counters and they usually dont have a answer for your bombs. This is my best play when i was playing a game. I knew he had a day in his hand i played crusader a turn before. He missed his land drop so he passed and on my turn i swing with the crusader play my land and played fiend hunter removing my crusader. He got mad cause he knew if he Dayed the thing will be coming back. So i just made him have a useless card in his hand.
Skwirlnutz Member	posted December 30, 2011 11:05 AM [Creatures]: [4] Spellskite [4] Phyrexian Metamorph [4] Solemn Simulacrum [4] Rune-Scarred Demon [2] Wurmcoil Engine [1] Precursor Golem [1] Massacre Wurm [1] Sheoldred, Whispering One [Planeswalkers]: [1] Karn Liberated [Other Spells]: [4] Despise [4] Heartless Summoning [2] Geth's Verdict [2] Tribute To Hunger [1] Diabolic Tutor [1] Black Sun's Zenith [Artifacts]: [1] Elixir Of Immortality [Lands]: [2] Ghost Quarter [4] Buried Ruin [4] Drowned Catacomb [13] Swamp -------- [Sideboard]: [2] Ghost Quarter [1] Mindslaver [1] Sheoldred, Whispering One [1] Diabolic Tutor [1] Steel Hellkite [4] Skinrender [2] Geth's Verdict [1] Tribute To Hunger [2] Surgical Extraction And now the explanation on how it works: How do I begin? Well lets go through card by card. This version of the deck is built specifically to target decks locally, A lot of people here love Blue, White and Black. I see so many Mirran Crusaders during an FNM its disgusting. It seems thats what everyone plays here. Thats why there is the "Edict" effects in the deck instead of specific targeting. Im trying something new with the Precursor in there tonight, It sounds good on paper using him to have turn three 6 power among 3 different creatures, turn 4 even more with Metamorphs. I may add another Precursor tonight if I can find one. Elixir Of Immortality is a LIFE SAVER. A few people run Downyards or other versions of mill and its so annoying. It helps so much. Sheoldred is amazing, so is Wurmcoils. Karn, He was a big addition to the deck as I was frequently running into problems with artifacts and Enchantments that I had no other way to deal with. He is amazing. Steel Hellkite wasnt cutting it for me and I was not running Spine. Massacre Wurm is also a new addition to the Main Deck. It also seems very good versus White Weenie and also awesome to Metamorph. Im also considering one Monomania just to wreck hands but not sure on that one yet. Its fun going: Rune-Scarred, Metamorph, Metamorph, Metamorph, Search for plan b. This deck has been so much fun to play and does very well. It most defiently wins more than it loses. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Skwirlnutz on December 30, 2011]
rockondon Member	posted December 31, 2011 11:04 AM I've been running solar flare. I'm waiting for a few cards to come in and when its done it should look something like this. 3x sun titan 3x phantasmal image 3x snapcaster mage 1x wurmcoil engine 1x phyrexian metamorph 3x liliana of the veil 1x gideon jura 4x forbidden alchemy 3x mana leak 3x think twice 2x unburial rites 3x day of judgement 3x oblivion ring 1x batterskull 2x doom blade I'm also building a red/green wolf run deck that will look something like this... 4 primeval titan 4 inferno titan 4 solemn simulacrum 4 rampant growth 4 green sun's zenith 4 slagstorm 4 beast within 1 bop 1 acidic slime 3 viridian emissary 3 incinerate __________________ \|My Angels~My P9 l""\|"\__, \|~~My #1 Angel~~l'_\|'_\|_\|) \|(@)(@)""*\|(@)(@)\|(@)
Skwirlnutz Member	posted December 31, 2011 07:04 PM Seriously Don, 8 titans?
rockondon Member	posted December 31, 2011 07:20 PM I was gonna put in more but wasn't sure if it would be a good idea to add a third colour. Is it so weird to have 8 titans in a deck? 1st place at a Worlds tournament in San Francisco, California, United States on 2011-11-20 Personally I love the idea of having that much beatdown. Even if I lose it'll probably still be fun to bring that much beef to my opponents. I play for fun, not to increase ratings or get crappy fnm foils. __________________ \|My Angels~My P9 l""\|"\__, \|~~My #1 Angel~~l'_\|'_\|_\|) \|(@)(@)""*\|(@)(@)\|(@)
yakusoku Member	posted December 31, 2011 07:56 PM I've been playing R/G ramp for quite awhile now (last Friday I just went 3-1, only losing to the guy who went 4-0) and 8 titans has not been a problem at all. I'm not fond of Don's build, particularly not loving the Viridian Emissary or Incinerates. The Viridian Emissary doesn't guarantee a T3 Solemn or a T5 Titan the way that Sphere of the Suns or Rampant Growth does. Incinerate hits only slightly more targets with 3 damage, rather than 2 (in Galvanic Blast), but the one mana can sometimes be all the difference in the world. I can easily keep one mountain untapped to guard against a pumped up Nexus and more importantly, I can answer a turn one creature (Delver, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Birds of Paradise, Llanowar Elves, Stromkirk Noble) with a Galvanic Blast rather than with an Incinerate.
rockondon Member	posted December 31, 2011 08:47 PM ^ well said yakusoku. I think I'll change my build accordingly. My original idea was to make my deck like the one I linked to, I suppose I should I do that. Do you maindeck a thrun the last troll? __________________ \|My Angels~My P9 l""\|"\__, \|~~My #1 Angel~~l'_\|'_\|_\|) \|(@)(@)""*\|(@)(@)\|(@)

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