Instead people realized you need a bunch of mana to actually recur the burn, and since it's only 'broken' after turn six or so, nothing to worry about. They banned combo cards instead, like Squandered Resources.

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Originally posted by choco man:
If you're going to argue based on anecdotal evidence, I'm going to call you an idiot as well.

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Originally posted by daner:
I've seen good players punt after resolving Jace, TMS too. I've seen a lot of people just get bashed too, good and bad, because their draws were terrible not because they played poorly. To simply say good play is the mian variance in all Magic is silly. Yes, the cream does rise to the top because they play well but at PT's it's not like they don't play other pros. If the popular vote said that LSV is the best magic player(just throwing out a name) by your standards he'd NEVER lose. Because like you said the main varience is how well you play. If he's the best then he's plays the best...so he should never lose? Right? Wrong. This is why I will still argue against you. While play is a major variance I believe it's one of many that determines the outcome of a game, and in a lot of cases the main variance when two equal parties are playing(or like I said even to help a lesser foe beat another) it really comes down to how the cards fall. Do you not remember the $40k Lightning Helix heard round the world?

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I think that LSV succeeding against PT level players consistently goes on further to show how important good play and proper preparation is in competitive mtg. And not variances such as going first/mulligans/etc.

That's what i'm getting from this at least.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
I think they are going to ban things until the format stabilizes, then go from there.

That's what i'm getting from this at least.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
People complain blue control isn't fun to play against. I don't think creatures punching me is fun. They are literally going to make the format into a "rock for 3 months until banned" format. Granted I doubt zoo is dead...just weakened. The punishing fire engine is a good thing to get rid of. I'm just sad they axed the 3/3 also.

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Reading the article, it makes sense, and I'd expect a more balanced replacement sooner rather then latter to get printed.

I'm expecting one or two full play seasons of Modern, WoTC will wait to see if it's balanced in their mind, then I'd expect one or two cards a year to get unbanned as they figure out what is tier 1, 1.5, 2, etc.

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Originally posted by choco man:
I think that LSV succeeding against PT level players consistently goes on further to show how important good play and proper preparation is in competitive mtg. And not variances such as going first/mulligans/etc.

Yeah Craig won with a Lightning Helix off the top, but are you ignoring the other 17-19 damage he had to deal to win that game? It's like calling Jerry West a lucky player because he hit a full-court shot to win the game.

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You've missed my point entirely. LSV was just an example....he does not win all the time, but like I said he is probably one of the better pros yet no matter how well you play sometimes it's just not gonna happen.

Craig did do a wonderful job playing into a situation were that would win him the game...but it could have easily been land sitting on top his deck.

I never said good play isn't a variance, it is, but I'm not gonig to say it's the main variance all the time. At PT level events(or just high level events into day 2) you get a lot of good matchups from great players who are not going to make a lot of mistakes...if at all. If boh players play the game as perfectly as they possibly can(which does happen a lot) there has to be anotehr variance that determines the outcome of the game. This is why I would agure agaist you that the main variance is always who plays better....because a lot of times in the tournaments that matter towards bannings you have good play on either side of the table. So there has to be SOMETHING else that determines the winner.

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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
Oh come on, the called shot Cruel Ultimatum was better.

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Originally posted by thror:
Wild Nacatl. LolWUT? Format is now a joke, though it might have been a joke before this.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Well...when you ban everything aside efficient creatures...eventually they get banned also...

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Can't agree with you more.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Can't agree with you more.

Sigh. I hope this is the last ban for a while, but there are already some good candidates for the next round if they become too dominant:
Splinter Twin
Gifts

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Can't agree with you more.

Sigh. I hope this is the last ban for a while, but there are already some good candidates for the next round if they become too dominant:
Splinter Twin
Gifts

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Originally posted by CoupDeGrace:
seriously, why banned Wild Nacatl !?

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WOTC must have thought that 2nd turn, 1 mana 3/3 creature is too strong for Modern to accept.

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Originally posted by MTDetermine:
WOTC must have thought that 2nd turn, 1 mana 3/3 creature is too strong for Modern to accept.

Hmmm, wonder when it will be the turn of that 1 mana 1/1 that can turn in 3/2 flying insect.

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Probably not so soon, not so easy to consistently flip Delver in Modern.

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Originally posted by RJM:
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