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Topic: 2011 Dec Banlist
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MTDetermine Member
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posted December 10, 2011 07:11 PM
When will it be announced? Noticed that Snapcaster is included in like half of top8 1.5/Modern decks. Used it myself and found it very useful. Is Snapcaster causing unhealthy influence like Mental Misstep and risk getting banned?
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MAB_Rapper Member
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posted December 10, 2011 07:21 PM
No. Snapcaster by itself isn't enough. Also, it isn't an auto 4 of like other cards were.__________________ MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - 2007, 2008, and 2009 (My Nationals) The Official Tower Magic Facebook Page
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WeedIan Member
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posted December 10, 2011 07:41 PM
He's not taking showing up as 32 of a possible 32 like mistep was.__________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 11000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 13th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
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RJM Member
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posted December 10, 2011 08:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: He's not taking showing up as 32 of a possible 32 like mistep was.
That plus he has the magic bubble of protection that's otherwise known as power/toughness. WotC doesn't ban creatures, unless they exclusively fuel some kind of degenerate combo deck (ie Hermit Druid.) If they do ban something stupid and unnecessary this time around, it's more likely to be Brainstorm.
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Devonin Member
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posted December 10, 2011 09:13 PM
But he fails the Defender test, so it's not a guarentee that he won't be banned because he has legs.
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Phyrexian Angel Member
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posted December 10, 2011 09:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by MTDetermine: When will it be announced?
It will be announced on Dec 20th and the effective date is Jan 1, assume that there are changes on the banned/restricted list.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Phyrexian Angel on December 10, 2011]
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Tha Gunslinga Moderator
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posted December 11, 2011 04:39 AM
It's a Regrowth with legs. If Wizards printed an Ancestral Recall 1/1 for U, it would be banned. I'm not saying Snapcaster will or won't be banned, but the fact that it's a creature is not hugely relevant.__________________ Looking for misprinted Commander decks. Got one? Talk to me.
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Mr. Ruboonia Member
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posted December 11, 2011 06:39 AM
The fact that the flashed back card is exiled instead of put into the graveyard is undeniably important and makes Snappy quite a bit worse than a "Regrowth with legs." That said, it's still an awesome card, but not even an auto-four-of in decks that aim to abuse him. I would be very surprised if he is touched.Disclaimer: I only play vintage/legacy and could be way off regarding other formats.
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choco man Member
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posted December 11, 2011 07:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: It's a Regrowth with legs. If Wizards printed an Ancestral Recall 1/1 for U, it would be banned. I'm not saying Snapcaster will or won't be banned, but the fact that it's a creature is not hugely relevant.
If Eternal Witness was 1G, instead of 1GG, that'd be crazy
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Tha Gunslinga Moderator
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posted December 11, 2011 11:09 AM
If Eternal Witness were BLUE and cost 2 mana, we would have a problem. Oh, wait, we DO have a problem.__________________ Looking for misprinted Commander decks. Got one? Talk to me.
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted December 11, 2011 12:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: If Eternal Witness were BLUE and cost 2 mana, we would have a problem. Oh, wait, we DO have a problem.
Problem they have is they can't keep banning new cards, looks bad, really bad. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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Eatatjoes Member
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posted December 11, 2011 12:53 PM
They might ban punishing fire, or grove of the burnwillows. If they are willing to ban green sun's zenith, i see one of these 2 getting the axe. They are really trying to make modern work, and punishing fire is very oppressive against anything with 2 or less toughness. Its one of the reasons that creatures like clique and bob dont get played in modern. I dont really see anything getting banned in any other formats. Maybe another unban in legacy?
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choco man Member
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posted December 11, 2011 01:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: If Eternal Witness were BLUE and cost 2 mana, we would have a problem. Oh, wait, we DO have a problem.
Well, there is a big difference between regrowth and giving flashback to sorcery/instants. But there is a bigger difference between blue and non-blue. And flash and non-flash. Snapcaster has made a big splash. But so has Stoneforge. Either way, if changes are to be made, I hope it's in Modern more than anything else.
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caquaa Member
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posted December 11, 2011 06:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by choco man: But there is a bigger difference between blue and non-blue
one pitches to force of will, the other doesn't? As far as legacy/vintage environments go, thats the only real dif. Fetches and duals fix colors too easily.
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choco man Member
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posted December 12, 2011 02:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: one pitches to force of will, the other doesn't? As far as legacy/vintage environments go, thats the only real dif. Fetches and duals fix colors too easily.
It's the only main dif, but it's a very very important dif.
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Speed Demon Banned
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posted December 12, 2011 09:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: It's a Regrowth with legs. If Wizards printed an Ancestral Recall 1/1 for U, it would be banned. I'm not saying Snapcaster will or won't be banned, but the fact that it's a creature is not hugely relevant.
While I agree that the fact that snapcaster mage is a creature is not relevent to the ban list, I disagree with many of your comments here. A) Snapcaster mage is not regrowth on legs. It's not even close to a regrowth on legs. Eternal witness is a regrowth on legs. I feel that wizards did a fantastic job in the casting cost of eternal witness to not make it to degenerate. If it costed 1G, it'd be banned in 1 month. If it costed 2G, it'd most likely be banned in 6 months. If it costed GG.. this is probably the least likely, pushing the envelope, guy to get banned. B) Snapcaster mage isn't that absurd. It just makes the great/absurd cards (brainstorm in particular) more absurd. Also note, you can't just cast snapcaster mage eot to play sorceries. To get max value out of snapcaster mage, you have to eot it and cast an instant. First, how many instants are out there in standard that make snapcaster mage absurd? How many instants in modern? How many in legacy? And if the instant is really that absurd, should we really be looking at the snapcaster mage banning or the instant banning (and imo, brainstorm has GOT TO GO). C) Your exaggeration of a U 1/1 draw 3 cards creature guy is ridiculous. Snapcaster mage is nowhere close to that power level.
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MAB_Rapper Member
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posted December 12, 2011 11:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by Speed Demon:
C) Your exaggeration of a U 1/1 draw 3 cards creature guy is ridiculous. Snapcaster mage is nowhere close to that power level.
Nope, it's just 1UU draw three cards for a 2/1 in Vintage. __________________ MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - 2007, 2008, and 2009 (My Nationals) The Official Tower Magic Facebook Page
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Speed Demon Banned
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posted December 12, 2011 04:50 PM
So ban it in vintage, LDO. It's not like anyone plays that format anyways. Vintage is the 1%
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fluffycow Member
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posted December 12, 2011 06:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Speed Demon: So ban it in vintage, LDO. It's not like anyone plays that format anyways. Vintage is the 1%
Nothing is getting banned in standard Nothing is going to happen in modern Nothing is getting banned in Legacy No one cares about Vintage Extended is not a format
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Tha Gunslinga Moderator
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posted December 12, 2011 06:58 PM
Let's just hope we see Bertoncheaty on the Dec 20th list.
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SolonJhee Member
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posted December 12, 2011 07:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: Let's just hope we see Bertoncheaty on the Dec 20th list.
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Thanos Member
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posted December 12, 2011 07:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by fluffycow:
No one cares about Vintage
I care. Haters gotta hate...
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isetfire Member
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posted December 12, 2011 08:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by Thanos: I care.Haters gotta hate...
+1
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fluffycow Member
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posted December 12, 2011 08:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Thanos: I care.Haters gotta hate...
always! I am also pretty sure that you would need at least a 10 year experience in magic before you can even consider starting vintage
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Heresy19 Member
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posted December 12, 2011 08:50 PM
I'll stick with my:Unban Worldgorger Dragon! I wish :/
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