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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
Wild Nacatl is very strange because there is that OTHER Green creature that can be 3/4 on turn 2 while Nacatl can only be 3/3. Granted most of the time it can not attack on turn 2, but by turn 3 it can be 4/5 or even 5/6.

If efficient creatures are getting the axe then this guy has no business in the format.

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Even though they are both wildly-efficient creatures, Nacatl and Goyf are in no way the same card.

I'm sure you realize the biggest differences are:
1. Nacatl attacks on turn 2 consistently as a 3/3.
2. Nacatl is the biggest incentive to play naya/etc. Zoo.

Goyf is as much of a road-block to Zoo decks as it is an all-world beater, because he is a */*+1. Back in 1993, you had to pay 5cc for a creature worth playing in control (Serra Angel). In 2000, you still had to pay 5cc for a creature worth playing in control (Morphling). Since 2007, you only have to pay 2cc (Tarmogoyf).

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Originally posted by junichi:
After reading DCI's explanation on the banning, it really sounds like "Instead of letting the players play what they want, we will sculpt a format that forces the player to play what we want."

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Originally posted by caquaa:
the issue with this, (winning/good) players don't play what they want, they play the best deck in the format. I'm a control player and will play islands any chance I get, but we're running block at our shop and I'm playing W/R humans. I feel its the best deck in the format and gives me the best chance to win. Modern so far has shown that u/r combo will dominate and now zoo showed the same. I believe it should have been given some time and people would meta against these decks. If that happened and people still were winning all the time w/ zoo and combo, then some changes were due.

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I both agree and disagree with this. DCI has been trying to weaken certain decks with the past couple banning to force players to play something else. From the initial banning of all the so-called power cards in legacy, to the destruction of combo and 12 post, and now the banning of a 3/3 that dies to everything and a 2 card removal combo that is good but not broken, DCI have been trying to shoo players away from certain strategy every time a deck type is about to take the throne to be the deck to beat.

As you've said, I would rather they let the players adapt to the format with time, instead of trying to ban everything that is good. The format is far from what we expected when it was first introduced to us. At this rate, if there are anymore meddling with the format, it will be just like the old extended, where no one really cares.

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If Card A is strong, and they ban A, then other decks depending on Card B will sprung up. As Card B's decks dominate, Card B will be banned. Decks revolving round Card C will then dominate, leading to Card C being banned.

Hmmmm....Looks like Modern will have a dominant deck type every 3 months and cards being banned every 3 months, lol.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
Isn't a deck with bitterblossom something that can handle zoo? Maybe not even fae, but a rock strategy? Simple things they could have let play out. I guess the thing they are trying to avoid is one deck being obviously dominant and forcing players to hate the format.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
You know bitterblossom is banned right?

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I think what he meant was, they could've unbanned BB to deal with zoo, instead of banning more stuff.

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
isn't delver likley to be a 3/2 flier on t2 fairly often? is that more fair than a 3/3 walker that they banned?

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To be fair, nacatl is more consistent at being a t2 3/3 than delver.

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Originally posted by MTDetermine:
Great. I see a promising future for Snapcaster Mage in the next 3 months until they decide to ban him in Modern due to "too many top 8 decks using him".

If Card A is strong, and they ban A, then other decks depending on Card B will sprung up. As Card B's decks dominate, Card B will be banned. Decks revolving round Card C will then dominate, leading to Card C being banned.

Hmmmm....Looks like Modern will have a dominant deck type every 3 months and cards being banned every 3 months, lol.

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if that happens im sticking to standard or quitting (as i have no duels) punishing fire i can almost see but nacatl was as stupid as kird ape getting banned back in old extended, and that format failed (but was one of the funnest ever imo)

* before extended rotated