2x Syncopate (Foil)
Mutilate
Isperia, Supreme Judge
Armada Wurm
Olivia Voldaren
Abrupt Decay
Dreadbore
1x Azorius Charm
3x Temple Garden
2x Overgrown Tomb
2 Angel of Serenity
3 Hinterland Harbor

For 2 delta and 1 strand.

I understand the reasoning behind premiums, But I feel people are asking a premium on nearly any card that sees play in legacy. I watched a guy literally deny a trade because he wouldnt "give enough premium" on standstills or aether vials.

Premiums I look at are, NM Duals/Power any card that is extremely hard to get or not traded very often AKA foil branstorms Non english FoW's things like that.

Guy comes in my thread and offers me delta/strands for my standard stuff, and when I make a reasonable offer says "thats cool but where is my premium"? Do people turn around on this premium for profit? whats to stop this guy from taking my 80-90$ in premium I offered and reselling on ebay and just buying strands at 45-50$ each.

I'm sorry if im not understanding everything correctly, but Too many people are looking at a modern/legacy staple under $100 and expecting to just cash out in standard via premiums. I would never ask for a premium of over 10-15$ in cards for my jitte/aether vials.

Another example is this guy wanted to trade for 3 of my foil Hallowed fountains (RTR) I wanted a jace TMS and a couple other things. He says "sorry I dont value those foils near my Jace, Those foils will drop in x months" Thats cool and all, but guess what they are at that price NOW. and if you are trading for value they wont be in your binder long enough to deppreciate.

There are several kinds of premiums:
1) Premiums for T2 to Legacy
2) Premiums for bunch of smaller stuff into one or two big items
3) Premiums for rarity (i.e. duals for P9)

Some people will argue that there are premiums for liquidity in the case of duals for P9, so the person giving up the duals shouldn't be giving up as big of a premium. But that's trader-specific.

Here's the thing. If you think he can make money selling your cards and then go buy Delta/Strand on Ebay, then why don't YOU do it? In fact, that's what I usually advise people to do in your situation (don't understand/like the concept of trading up, but would still want big ticket items)

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Originally posted by Myy:
that's one reason many people stopped trading, including myself.
you're better off selling your cards and buying what you need from someone else. it's more work, but in the end, that flooded strand you want will be sold for your $45.00 NOT your $45.00 + another $10.

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Exactly. It's more WORK. So don't complain if you don't want to do any work, but you still want the Strand at $45.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
If you can buy and sell cards quickly Premiums are something you want.

Otherwise meh.

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Otherwise meh.

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Actually, I would argue that if you can't buy/sell quickly, you NEED the premium to protect yourself from the inevitable price drop of the Standard stuff. [/QUOTE]

Nobody is asking for a Strand at 45$ I am fully capable at trading for a strand at 60$ MAYBE even 70$ but if you think I am going to trade 50-60$ more on top of a standard pile just because you want to secure your investment you are an idiot. Ill pay the premium on a lotus or a P9 or anything over 200$ a card. But to think you are going to buylist (or even less than buylist) my standard stuff fora 50$ card you are completely dillusional

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If I have your Standard pile, and I am actually looking for Delta and Strands, I would probably take that guy up on his offer. If you offer that pile to me for my Delta/Strand, I will say give me at least another $50-60 and then we'll talk

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Originally posted by AGO:
The mythical "premium" strikes again. Sell your cards and buy what you want.

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Exactly. I don't think I have done a trade in 2-3 years based on this, unless the deal needs to be done.

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So roughly $150. What $80 premium are you talking about? Cuz Delta runs at least $45 and Strand around $40 on Ebay.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
LOL. I love it when people are offering their cards at SCG prices and value other people's cards at Ebay prices. Here are the values of your cards based roughly on Ebay:
2x Syncopate (Foil) - 2
Mutilate - 1.50?
Isperia, Supreme Judge - 2
Armada Wurm - 11
Olivia Voldaren - 13
Abrupt Decay - 9
Dreadbore - 5
1x Azorius Charm
3x Temple Garden - 24
2x Overgrown Tomb - 24
2 Angel of Serenity - 34
3 Hinterland Harbor - 24

So roughly $150. What $80 premium are you talking about? Cuz Delta runs at least $45 and Strand around $40 on Ebay.

Yeah, I'm the worst kind of trader. The kind of trader who is not stupid enough to give you this kind of trade.

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are you really pricing temple garden at 8 when numerous have sold for 12 on ebay?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=temple%20garden& rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=0&LH_Complete=1

Get real bro. that is the first card I looked at and I am sure tomb isnt 8 either.

lets total things up from ebay.

My pile (based on your horrendously low ebay prices)

my pile is 173 (considering the terrible prices)

his fetches are at 130. you mean to tell me his fetches are worth an extra 43 in trade so he can just take that 43 in profit and by another fetch + sell my stuff and get 3 more?

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Originally posted by Bwatson513:
are you really pricing temple garden at 8 when numerous have sold for 12 on ebay?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=temple%20garden& rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=0&LH_Complete=1

Get real bro. that is the first card I looked at and I am sure tomb isnt 8 either.

lets total things up from ebay.

My pile (based on your horrendously low ebay prices)

my pile is 173 (considering the terrible prices)

his fetches are at 130. you mean to tell me his fetches are worth an extra 43 in trade so he can just take that 43 in profit and by another fetch + sell my stuff and get 3 more?

and where did I say I wpriced his fetches at ebay prices? i said I was glad to pay 60 maybe even 70 at his strand/delta and you say I am going off ebay prices? lol to you sir

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Fine, I'll concede that Temple Garden is more like $10 instead of $8. Just remember a bunch of folks selling them for less than $10 here on MOTL so I didn't bother to check prices. And I didn't say that Tomb is $8. I put it at $12. There are only 2 Tombs in there.

So $155. If you post a sale list here, how many people would say "Yes, I'll take the fetches for $130" versus how many people would pay $155 for your cards? Also, I see plenty of Delta at $50 and Strand at $40 on Ebay.

You keep bringing up how this $80 premium that you are giving as if that's what the other person can get on Ebay realistically. Even without the fees, I doubt that will be the case.

Also, as I said, I would have probably traded your pile for those 3 fetches too. However, I also know that if I made that offer to another person, it is totally reasonable for he/she to turn it down.

Seriously, just stop whining. If you can't find people who will trade the way that you want them to trade with you, then go sell your cards and buy the ones you want.

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Originally posted by Bwatson513:
Just for you im going to recent completed listings on every card I am trading

Syncopate foil $2.75 each
Isperia 3.75
Armada wurm 14.95
Olivia Volderan - 13
Abrupt Decay - 11
Dreadbore - 5
Temple garden - 12
Overgrown tomb - 12.95
Angel of serenity - 16.95
Hinterland Harbor - 9.95

Alright total. (based on completed listings within last day )

179.20$ in ebay sales on my pile

His 3 fetches

Polluted delta 49.99
Flooded Strand 39.99

So 140$ in ebay completed sales

Show me where I need to pay 50-60 more in a premium under your circumstances in which you would own the fetches. LOL you are that type of trader. Devaluing my cards (even on ebay trololol) and then assuming I should give even MORE cards to compesate this false premium on cards not even over 100$

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Syncopate foil $2.75 each
Isperia 3.75
Armada wurm 14.95
Olivia Volderan - 13
Abrupt Decay - 11
Dreadbore - 5
Temple garden - 12
Overgrown tomb - 12.95
Angel of serenity - 16.95
Hinterland Harbor - 9.95

Alright total. (based on completed listings within last day )

179.20$ in ebay sales on my pile

His 3 fetches

Polluted delta 49.99
Flooded Strand 39.99

So 140$ in ebay completed sales

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Originally posted by Bwatson513:
Who is crying? Fetches arent premium worthy. Stop acting like they are

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There's thousands of active members on this site.

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Originally posted by rats60:
The OP is the reason why I just tell people that I won't trade my Legacy staples for their overpriced Type 2. I would take the 3 Fetches in that trade in a heartbeat and he is crying that he is getting ripped off.

Go sell your Type 2 stuff. To get those prices, you are going to have to go to Ebay and lose 12% in fees. If you are trying to sell them here, it won't all sell and people will beat you up trying to get cards for cheaper. To me it would be easier to move that pile at a 10% discount and wind up with 3 great cards.

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Originally posted by Bwatson513:
What you are missing is the fact that he pulled these cards out saying he needed them for standard decks. I did not make this offer. He asked for these cards. Why should I have to give a outrageous premium on cards he is going to end up using and not sit in his binder? I could see if I was trading for bazaars or tabernacles, but to trade for a couple fetches I shouldnt have to shell out over 100+ in premiums (based on a couple users comments here).

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This trade would be a big win for you. You get to move a bunch of random stuff to someone who needs it. In a few months when he tries to get rid of it, he will wish he had his fetches back. Go sell your cards and see what you can get for them. I doubt that you will be able to buy those 3 fetches with your proceeds.

He is not asking an outrageous premium, it is a perfectly reasonable premium. You are not giving up 100+ in premiums, you are giving up about 10% which is perfectly reasonable. If you offered me those cards for my fetches, I would tell you NO!! I would much rather have the 3 fetches. The fact that you can't see that is the problem here.

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Originally posted by AGO:
The mythical "premium" strikes again. Sell your cards and buy what you want.

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Originally posted by AGO:
The mythical "premium" strikes again. Sell your cards and buy what you want.

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Edit:

Deltas are ~50
Strands are ~42

So 142

Foil Syncopate is $3 (lol, thats overpriced)
Mutilate 2
Isperia 2
Wurm 15
Olivia 15
Decay 8
Dreadbore 6
Azorious Charm 50 cents
Temple Garden 13 x3
Angel of Serenity x2 20
Overgrown Tomb 15 x2
Hinterland Harbor 8 x3

So he's asking $180ish for $140ish worth of card.

I would still do it. I don't trade a lot, Delta is pretty stable barring a reprint, and *all* the cards in your pile will be worth less than half of what they are worth now when they rotate.

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Originally posted by Mr.C:
I'd take the fetches in this trade. There's nothing good in the other pile. Bunch of random jank.

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Deltas are ~50
Strands are ~42

So 142

Foil Syncopate is $3 (lol, thats overpriced)
Mutilate 2
Isperia 2
Wurm 15
Olivia 15
Decay 8
Dreadbore 6
Azorious Charm 50 cents
Temple Garden 13 x3
Angel of Serenity x2 20
Overgrown Tomb 15 x2
Hinterland Harbor 8 x3

So he's asking $180ish for $140ish worth of card.

I would still do it. I don't trade a lot, Delta is pretty stable barring a reprint, and *all* the cards in your pile will be worth less than half of what they are worth now when they rotate.

Don't get bitchy. If you think the deal is not fair, do the legwork, try and gain max value for your Standard stuff, then buy the fetches.

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Shock lands are random jank now? This is the first of the new block and want be rotating in a while. Long enough for either the cards to rise or fall based on next sets.

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Originally posted by Bwatson513:
I bought 2 heath last night for 30 each NM i would be dumb to come to this site only to ask 80 in trade on them.

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Originally posted by rats60:
Then trade them to me for 60.00 in Type 2 stuff.

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