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Topic: Post For Magic Stuff #79
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walkerdog
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posted March 26, 2013 07:59 AM
        
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
That's funny I don't recall the last time a card got banned in standard until you mentioned this. One of the most oppressive decks of all time was built on that block. The benchmark of "powerful" planeswalker came out in that block. Heck, even valakut was fairly oppressive for a lot of strategies. On Legacy, I don't think it's going to die or go away. The people that invested in the format are still invested. I don't think they'll take too kindly to being forced to play a format where WOTC can mass reprint any of their stuff any given minute due to lack of availability. I think modern and legacy isn't so much a battle of formats, but more a different flavor aside standard.
I'm not saying Legacy is going to be killed, but I think it will be "killed" in the same way that Vintage is "dead." Vintage is still played, but it's at mostly small tournaments and is pretty regional. I think Legacy ends up close to that (although still bigger) in a year or two.
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hilikuS
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posted March 26, 2013 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
That's funny I don't recall the last time a card got banned in standard until you mentioned this. One of the most oppressive decks of all time was built on that block. The benchmark of "powerful" planeswalker came out in that block. Heck, even valakut was fairly oppressive for a lot of strategies.
I'm not sure you understand what I meant by that comment. The game has never been so popular, and the sets have never been more exciting for the players. It used to be complain complain complain when a new set was being spoiled. You don't get nearly as many whiners anymore. The sets are just awesome, and the players are responding well. They're breaking sales records left and right. You've got pre-cons that are worth opening, the FTV series which are really cool, all kinds of stuff. I would argue that the game has never been so profitable for dealers, and the secondary market in general. Every set has playable cards in some format. Whether it be EDH, or Modern, Legacy or Standard. Everything is worth something now a days if it's any good. In my perspective, just about everybody is just generally happier with the game. I mark Zendikar as the beginning because to me that's when they started just printing money. The priceless treasures and all that. The mythic rarity is probably the reason for most of it, but back in the day I'd be happy with a $5 card in a pack. Now you can rip something worth $30 non-foil.
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MagixDK
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posted March 26, 2013 10:50 AM
Urzas rage was 30..?
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WeedIan
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posted March 26, 2013 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by MagixDK:
Urzas rage was 30..?
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iccarus
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posted March 26, 2013 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by MagixDK:
Urzas rage was 30..?
Just goes to show the power creep of the game. If Urza's Rage was printed today, it would likely be an uncommon. __________________
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Volcanon
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posted March 26, 2013 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by iccarus:
Just goes to show the power creep of the game. If Urza's Rage was printed today, it would likely be an uncommon.
Not really. 3 damage for 3 is par for the course and has been for eons. It was good because blue based control decks were really good and they couldn't counter Urza's Rage. Anybody remember how much fun it was to play against counter-rebels an the like?
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hilikuS
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posted March 26, 2013 01:29 PM
Rage was like $15 when it was the hotness.
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choco man
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posted March 26, 2013 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by iccarus:
Just goes to show the power creep of the game. If Urza's Rage was printed today, it would likely be an uncommon.
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Not really. 3 damage for 3 is par for the course and has been for eons. It was good because blue based control decks were really good and they couldn't counter Urza's Rage. Anybody remember how much fun it was to play against counter-rebels an the like?
Yeah, unless a card is basic Lightning Bolt or something insane like Ancestral Recall, the environment the card was printed in matters a lot.
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iccarus
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posted March 26, 2013 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Not really. 3 damage for 3 is par for the course and has been for eons. It was good because blue based control decks were really good and they couldn't counter Urza's Rage. Anybody remember how much fun it was to play against counter-rebels an the like?
Perhaps I used the wrong term. What I meant is that card printed today would likely not be a rare. Something like UR would probably be an uncommon and would not command the high price tag it did back in that era. EDIT: But I do agree the environment of the time played a big role in the high price. __________________
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by iccarus on March 26, 2013]
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Volcanon
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posted March 26, 2013 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by iccarus:
Perhaps I used the wrong term. What I meant is that card printed today would likely not be a rare. Something like UR would probably be an uncommon and would not command the high price tag it did back in that era.EDIT: But I do agree the environment of the time played a big role in the high price.
Can't be countered and could halve somebody's life? It probably would still be a rare so it doesn't ruin limited. Can you imagine a format where that's an uncommon?
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Pail42
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posted March 26, 2013 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Can't be countered and could halve somebody's life? It probably would still be a rare so it doesn't ruin limited. Can you imagine a format where that's an uncommon?
Excellent argument. I'll add that Sorin's Vegneance was rare and quite recent.
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iccarus
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posted March 26, 2013 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Can't be countered and could halve somebody's life? It probably would still be a rare so it doesn't ruin limited. Can you imagine a format where that's an uncommon?
Fair enough. I do think they would include tools to make it easier to redirect the damage though. I think it's also worth noting that it's 12 mana to get the full effect of Urza's Rage. Given how fast limited environments of modern sets typically are, getting to a point in the game where you could actually play it kicked would be highly unusual. __________________
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by iccarus on March 26, 2013]
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Volcanon
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posted March 26, 2013 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by iccarus:
Fair enough. I do think they would include tools to make it easier to redirect the damage though. I think it's also worth noting that it's 12 mana to get the full effect of Urza's Rage. Given how fast limited environments of modern sets typically are, getting to a point in the game where you could actually play it kicked would be highly unusual.
Another point. Most modern formats are pretty fast (I guess RoE and Avacyn were slower). So 95% of the time it's going to be the same as Yamabushi's Flame and other 3-for-3 spells that have been printed at common.
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Zeckk
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posted March 26, 2013 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Another point. Most modern formats are pretty fast (I guess RoE and Avacyn were slower). So 95% of the time it's going to be the same as Yamabushi's Flame and other 3-for-3 spells that have been printed at common.
AVR was actually very fast, due to the lack of removal. Plenty of games revolved around sticking a druid's familiar, then killing the opponent in 2 attack steps. The black drafter could end up making a game pretty grindy, but I really hated the AVR format for it's lack of interaction. Take that with a grain of salt, though - I loved ZEN drafting, because while the format was very fast, the removal options allowed games to be highly interactive.
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rockondon
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posted March 27, 2013 01:21 AM
This blinkmoth nexus is printed on a "100% authentic foil altered art card" according to what it says on the larger pic of the card....right next to the casting cost.
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Volcanon
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posted March 27, 2013 05:39 AM
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Originally posted by rockondon:
This blinkmoth nexus is printed on a "100% authentic foil altered art card" according to what it says on the larger pic of the card....right next to the casting cost.
Well, obviously they do that in order to not get sued for selling forgeries. This stuff is incredibly ugly anyway. If you wanted softcore porn, why not go and buy some softcore porn? Just as bad as the 'anime girl' sleeves. The only people I know who actually use those are old and/or creepy.
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walkerdog
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posted March 27, 2013 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Well, obviously they do that in order to not get sued for selling forgeries. This stuff is incredibly ugly anyway. If you wanted softcore porn, why not go and buy some softcore porn? Just as bad as the 'anime girl' sleeves. The only people I know who actually use those are old and/or creepy.
No, he means they imply that they're taking a Nexus and altering it, and it's not a Nexus since Nexus doesn't have a casting cost (scroll down to the second picture).
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rockondon
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posted March 27, 2013 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Well, obviously they do that in order to not get sued for selling forgeries. This stuff is incredibly ugly anyway. If you wanted softcore porn, why not go and buy some softcore porn? Just as bad as the 'anime girl' sleeves. The only people I know who actually use those are old and/or creepy.
well 'obviously' you just aren't seeing the 'big picture' my friend. 
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marlo213
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posted March 27, 2013 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Well, obviously they do that in order to not get sued for selling forgeries. This stuff is incredibly ugly anyway. If you wanted softcore porn, why not go and buy some softcore porn? Just as bad as the 'anime girl' sleeves. The only people I know who actually use those are old and/or creepy.
You put tori black on my swamp and I will play the eff out of it
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hilikuS
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posted March 27, 2013 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by marlo213:
You put tori black on my swamp and I will play the eff out of it
Ok sold. Gonna see if I can't get some signatured by a porn actress swamps now, lol.
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marlo213
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posted March 27, 2013 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Ok sold. Gonna see if I can't get some signatured by a porn actress swamps now, lol.
If you go to the AVN and get me some autographed full grown forests, I will give you some foil snappys
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oneofchaos
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posted March 27, 2013 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by marlo213:
You put tori black on my swamp and I will play the eff out of it
Man how much dignity do you not have?:
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Bugger
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posted March 27, 2013 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Man how much taste do you not have?:
Fixed that for ya
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Lord Crovax
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posted March 27, 2013 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Bugger:
Fixed that for ya
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Mr.C
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posted March 27, 2013 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by walkerdog:
No, he means they imply that they're taking a Nexus and altering it, and it's not a Nexus since Nexus doesn't have a casting cost (scroll down to the second picture).
That's just the mockup, though. What concerns me is that the card on it is clearly not a Blinkmoth nexus (check the expansion symbol area).
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