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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I will swap at a 1 for 1 rate if you are willing. I don't think this Jace is that bad. Fixing your draw +1 could be better, but it does something, and I like the bounce. I mean, they sorta just reprinted Timetwister. Can't be too upset about this card.

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I don't have any, nor do I plan on owning either card :P. Unplayable planeswalkers be bad yo.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
I don't have any, nor do I plan on owning either card :P. Unplayable planeswalkers be bad yo.

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Originally posted by AGO:
The real question is how powerful should walkers be? People seem to think Walkers should be Mythic Bombs that auto win the game. It's just card filter and bounce which is absolutely fine since it is usable every turn. He starts off with 5 Loyalty which is rather high. He has the potential to soak up some damage. It's not insane buts it not complete crap either. It will help complement Thassa with 2+ more devotion to blue and to dig a little deeper.

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I'm not even talking about "power level." The first two abilities just seem bad to me (for Standard). I'd rather just play a ton of scry than use his +1 ability. What you throw away will almost always give away more information than you really would like. His -3 doesn't exactly solve problems either since you can't use it at instant speed. I don't get how this planeswalker is even useful. Tibalt literally seems more useful to me than this card.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
New Jace would work in a modern Dredgevine deck

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Seems slow, but that makes more sense than anything I can imagine in Standard.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I will swap at a 1 for 1 rate if you are willing. I don't think this Jace is that bad. Fixing your draw +1 could be better, but it does something, and I like the bounce. I mean, they sorta just reprinted Timetwister. Can't be too upset about this card.

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Usefulness =/= Value, and yes I can for my own reasons. His ultimate is pretty cool if anyone manages to get there.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
That's cool

YOU get a sweeper! YOU get a sweeper! EVERYBODY gets a sweeper!

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Yet even more Zendikar...

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Chief Engineer.

I need some Memnarchs, Wurmcoil Engines, and Sundering Titans. Going to need to have something to cast off those Mox Memnites & Mox Ornithopters.

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Manakins, not Moxen. Enormous difference, but still an outrageously interesting card i want 4 of immediately.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
Manakins, not Moxen. Enormous difference, but still an outrageously interesting card i want 4 of immediately

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
Manakins, not Moxen. Enormous difference, but still an outrageously interesting card i want 4 of immediately.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Manakins?

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http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4616

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Chief Engineer.

I need some Memnarchs, Wurmcoil Engines, and Sundering Titans. Going to need to have something to cast off those Mox Memnites & Mox Ornithopters.

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Originally posted by dfitzg88:
Easy turn-2 batterskull in modern affinity. And Stoneforge is never coming off the banned list now ever ever.

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wouldnt that deck rather cast precursor golem and keep going off? maybe wurmcoil, soul of new phyrexia, something better than a bskull im sure.

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Originally posted by thror:
wouldnt that deck rather cast precursor golem and keep going off? maybe wurmcoil, soul of new phyrexia, something better than a bskull im sure.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Hey the painlands are back. Great -- I can finally sell off the few ones I got left from when they were legal.

Hey the painlands are back. Ugh -- guaranteed I'm going to keep opening Brushalnds when the store goes to M15.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Convoke allows you to "pay" for the colored part too. I think that's why he was calling them moxen.

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I know why, but 98% of artifacts are colorless and can only convoke for (1), whereas moxen are colored. You couldn't cast Master Transmuter with by tapping four Ornithopters because they are colorless.

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Originally posted by jbark:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/5615 62-name-and-number-crunch

From the number crunch the 5 enemy ones are all we get and 2 multicolor cards possibly. Garruk and sliver legion are my guesses.

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According to Aaron Forsythe, the mythic rare Sliver is new.

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a new mythic rare Sliver that every Sliver aficionado has been waiting for.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
I know why, but 98% of artifacts are colorless and can only convoke for (1), whereas moxen are colored. You couldn't cast Master Transmuter with by tapping four Ornithopters because they are colorless.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
luckily, Etherium Sculptor happens to be blue.

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Yum.

This engineer is exactly the excuse i needed to motivate myself to brew some jank artifact thing involving Tezz AOB, Grand Architect, Heartless Summoning, Wurmcoil, Sculpter, Transmuter, Hellkite, Sharding Sphinx, Master of Etherium, Tempered Steel plus whatever combination of other obvious choices from modern Robots. Now Batterskull or a Sword may do very finely, or Moltensteel Dragon.

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Originally posted by stab107:
New Garruk is likely not Standard playable except maybe as a kne-of? But the flavor and design work well together in producing what looks like a fun card. I am thinking of some sort of BG Commander deck that uses porlifrate to get him to 8 mana for ultimates shenanigans!

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