Convoke is definitely present (chord?)
Affinity might show (citadel, shrapnel blast, ornithopter, naturalize)

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someone sent me a foreign foil M15 card, its white and have a WWW3 cost, I think it "destroy all nonland permanent" or something. I think the language is chinese or japanese. I got it free, won an auction for another card.

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you sure its m15 and not m14? Planar Cleansing.

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Is Avarice Amulet a joke? Someone please tell me it is.

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So now we have nissa in green, is garruk gonna be blue? Or is he gonna be a dude?

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The new Ajani is pretty good

Edit: New Nissa

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Garruk is said to be in GB due to a slot in multicolor available from a crunch I believe. I'm curious what else they do with slivers.

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This will be a first for any core set then to introduce multi color into the set. If not Garruk then I would guess maybe Sliver Legion reprint from future sight since they are involving slivers again.

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Everyone always seems to forget Bolas. Poor guy.

The big question is whether Garruk is actually going to be in the set as a playable card. Or will he simply be represented by the oversized prerelease gimmick they have planned?

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We have come a long way and seen a lot of PWs over the years...the magic number isn't 5(for Nissa) people. 5 cmc is a LOT for a pw. It better have an immediate impact on the game if it's cmc is greater than 4....which this card really doesn't. Yes, new Elspeth costs 6, but it's also a control card and has an impact on the game the moment it enters plays. The new Nissa might, might I add again, play another creature after it enters play but that's two cards to do the same job that Elspeth does with only 1. Also, if you have nothing to "ramp" into next turn then who cares about the other ability as well?

If you want a ramp pw the number you want to see is 4 cmc. It's always turn 2 Rampant Growth/some ramp spell into turn 3 pw. I think I'd rather just play Kiora then.

5 cmc pw do have exceptions to the rule about being good....think Gideon, Garruk PH, or Big Daddy Jace. Then again, all of these pws had immediate board impact or can close a game fast. Even Liliana Vess can do that as well.

Vraska had more immediate impact and she was barely playable.

Unless you need her for an EDH deck...I'd pass or I'd sell instantly if you open her. She doesn't look very playable, doesn't mean it will stop people from trying. I just don't see her being any good in any format other than casual.

New Ajani, is also trash. 4 cmc is the BIG wheelhouse for great pws in Magic history. Format defining pws that have ruled their time in standard. Jace 2.0, 4.0, Ajani Vengeant, Elspeth K-E, OG Garruk. It's nothing like any of the really good 4 cmc pws. In fact...how/why would you even play it in a new super friends deck? It seems terrible, don't you also want to play Ajani, MOH? Wouldn't you rather just play Ajani, MOH?

It's +1 is better than 3 cmc Ajani, and on par with 5 cmc. It's -2 is only good to interact with other pws that are less than 4 cmc or you wait a turn. Play out a different pw on turn 4 and thne this turn 5....but again, wouldn't you just rather be playing Ajani, MOH?

Elspeth doesn't need it's help seeing as she can do it all herself...

New Ajani is straight bulk mythic pw if you ask me. Not as bad as Tibalt...but more or less Chandra, the Firebrand 2.0 type rubbish.

If all they did was simply NOT NAME this pw Ajani...like seriously, think of a new guy, and name it that...this might be playable. Just given the fact that both it and Ajani, MOH can't be on board at the same time really makes this card blow.

1. She's in the color of ramp. Turn 1 Elvish Mystic, Turn 2 Sylvan Caryatid, Turn 3 Nissa is potentially feasible.
2. She has the potential to protect herself with the first ability via creating a blocker or untapping lands to leave up mana for answers (she can untap shocks, the ability doesn't say basic Forests).
3. She allows for busted plays with the 2nd ability. Imagine curving Kiora of Xenagos into her, or making some Forests into Elementals, attacking with them, and then untapping them.
4. Both abilities work towards her ultimate. Even if your opponent Verdicts after you pull it off, you probably still have enough mana to cast all the spells you need (via her untap ability and any lands that were already in play and not Elementals), plus you are then drawing mostly gas for the rest of the game.
5. The creatures she makes are permanent, they have a form of evasion and psuedo-haste, and are resistant to all burn spells except Mizzium Mortars which is rotating.
6. It's an anti-control card. Against control, you won't be making Elementals every turn, you'll be making just enough Elementals to apply significant pressure to force them to use their removal early.

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Originally posted by nylarotep:
I think you're wrong on Nissa:

1. She's in the color of ramp. Turn 1 Elvish Mystic, Turn 2 Sylvan Caryatid, Turn 3 Nissa is potentially feasible.
2. She has the potential to protect herself with the first ability via creating a blocker or untapping lands to leave up mana for answers (she can untap shocks, the ability doesn't say basic Forests).
3. She allows for busted plays with the 2nd ability. Imagine curving Kiora of Xenagos into her, or making some Forests into Elementals, attacking with them, and then untapping them.
4. Both abilities work towards her ultimate. Even if your opponent Verdicts after you pull it off, you probably still have enough mana to cast all the spells you need (via her untap ability and any lands that were already in play and not Elementals), plus you are then drawing mostly gas for the rest of the game.
5. The creatures she makes are permanent, they have a form of evasion and psuedo-haste, and are resistant to all burn spells except Mizzium Mortars which is rotating.
6. It's an anti-control card. Against control, you won't be making Elementals every turn, you'll be making just enough Elementals to apply significant pressure to force them to use their removal early.

Card is definitely going to see play, although I don't claim to have any idea on what the price will settle at.

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A lot of the things you brought up are valid points...but then you say Mizzium Mortars is rotating...well, so are shocks, it's REALLY hard to cast Kiora or Xenagos after playing and using Nissa's ability once shocks rotate out.

If you play Elf, into Caryatid, into Nissa then make a Elemental....chances are you're going to get some sort of Wrath thrown your way.

Protecting herself is not the same as Garruk, Primal hunter or Elspeth...they create board presence out of nothing. Last thing you would want is to give a black deck outs/live cards that also act as LD.

Also, I'd just rather play Kiora as an anti-control card. Her ultimate is faster to reach, she costs 1 less to cast, and protects herself just as well.

Also, if you go all-in on Nissa's ultimate you risk a sweeper, were as Kiroa's you can't stop and get a guy each turn.

I dunno...I don't like the idea of making my lands 4/4's in order to protect my PW...just makes Doomblade live at all times.

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A lot of the things you brought up are valid points...but then you say Mizzium Mortars is rotating...well, so are shocks, it's REALLY hard to cast Kiora or Xenagos after playing and using Nissa's ability once shocks rotate out.

If you play Elf, into Caryatid, into Nissa then make a Elemental....chances are you're going to get some sort of Wrath thrown your way.

Protecting herself is not the same as Garruk, Primal hunter or Elspeth...they create board presence out of nothing. Last thing you would want is to give a black deck outs/live cards that also act as LD.

Also, I'd just rather play Kiora as an anti-control card. Her ultimate is faster to reach, she costs 1 less to cast, and protects herself just as well.

Also, if you go all-in on Nissa's ultimate you risk a sweeper, were as Kiroa's you can't stop and get a guy each turn.

I dunno...I don't like the idea of making my lands 4/4's in order to protect my PW...just makes Doomblade live at all times.

She'll get played....that's for certain, but I would argue against all your points. Namely, my last point, why would you make your lands vulnerable to targeted instant speed creature removal?

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I said Kiora or Xenagos into Nissa, which implies casting them before Nissa, not after (unless you just drew them the turn after Nissa). Her ability also says up to 4 forests, so while you get more mileage out of being heavy green, you can also only untap 1 or 2 if you only have that many targets.

Supreme Verdict is rotating, and there has been no 4-mana board wipe replacement spoiled so far. Fated Retribution might see play, but it’s not going to be a 4-of, and Mass Calcify and Whelming Wave (if you want to count it as a wrath) are hot garbage.

I fail to see how Kiora is an anti-control card unless you are counting on reaching her ultimate. Rather, I see her being played in control since she can fog dudes and draw cards.

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I fail to see how Kiora is an anti-control card unless you are counting on reaching her ultimate. Rather, I see her being played in control since she can fog dudes and draw cards.

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On this point, all I have to say is that Kiora is really nice in a midrange aggro deck. It does see a lot of play in control, but it's also really good in aggro as well. I think BBD or someone had a midrange deck with Kiora, Brimaz and stuff at some SCG event.

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Regarding making black removal live, chances are you’re already running cards that make stuff like Doom Blade and Hero’s Downfall live anyways. If you’re heavy on the ramp, you could care less about a single Stone Rain, and even if you’re not, she just makes another Elemental next turn anyways and eventually you will run out of Doom Blades and other spot removal (quite a bit of it is rotating).

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I really wouldn't want to offer 2-for-1's at all if I can help it. In that vein, 2 CMC Stone Rains seem super bad. In any case, Nissa isn't absolute garbage, but it feels like the new block will need something to make her awesome.

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I said Kiora or Xenagos into Nissa, which implies casting them before Nissa, not after

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Soooooo what you're saying is after we ramp into Nissa with Kiora or Xenagos, we can use her ability to untap our Temples?

oh wai.....

Yea, I mean, sure for a 3 month period you got dual access...then what?

The problem now and in the future with her.....what exactly is there in Green you can ramp into for that much mana that's game changing? The answer is ......nothing.