Last night our store owner opened a sealed box for draft, and there was only 23 packs. The card quality is also garbage. When the pack I opened rounded the table, you could notice the wear on cards, just from being passed around. It's the same glossy finish they use on duel decks, and clash packs. Wizards messed up big on this one. This does not feel like a premium product, and people should not be happy about this.

I've heard of other problems such as smeared ink, severe miscuts, no rare slot, mythic in every pack (the only good mistake) and no foil slot. Anyone else experience anything similar, or something not listed?

You'd think the first time they do a $9.99 MSRP set and one as highly anticipated as this that would have done more quality control. Just more proof WOTC doesn't care b/c they know people will buy it.

Well, I drafted a ton of MMA 2013 and loved that. I drafted once last night (3-0 with Domain) but I haven't been drafting during today's draft a thon. The raise in MSRP coupled with the lack of good commons/uncommons (leading to an increase in variance of EV) and the less exciting draft archetypes compared to mma2013 just makes this lottery ticket not worth it.

WOTC, lower MSRP w/o lowering the print run. Add more languages. Put in more valuable cards at lower rarities (print valuable commons/uncommons besides Remand) and don't push mythics that are absolutely no value. I mean the dragons like Yosei weren't good money cards but ffs they weren't comet storm or whatever

No other major errors that anyone brought up though.

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Keep it going, guys. You're making it even easier for counterfeiters to do their thing.

EDIT: this set is also pretty bad in comparison to MM2013 as far as drafting goes IMO. I'm glad I did my one event and now I've washed my hands of it. If I were booked for Vegas...I'd probably not go to the event at all and just go straight to the casino. Sealed is worse(that's the event I did). Talk about pray to open bombs and not blanks or you'll have ZERO chance to win...and by open a bomb I mean 5 of them.I thought my deck to be pretty good with Karn and Kiki-Jiki...after losing round 1 and seeing some of the other decks I just decided there is no way my deck could ever win. I opened BLANKS at rare for this event, too. Surgical Extraction? Eye of Ugin? Sweet....$10 a pack and you get $1 rares that aren't even useful in ANY limited event(and the set was designed for limited play).

i paid for 1 draft, got entry into another as a prize. drafting is meh. not as exciting as mma2013. i preordered 5 boxes and if they were delayed shipping by even 1 day i was going to use that as a reason to cancel pre order but supposedly they got shipped. the 5 boxes i have coming in i'm going to get rid of as soon as i can :-|

I hope mma2015 ends up just sitting on shelves b/c it's so expensive and has such low quality compared to the expectations they set when they raised msrp.

TCC's video sums it up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJV_6GsmsB8

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
TCC's video sums it up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJV_6GsmsB8

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That video is really dumb. If this guy is going to claim the product is not worth opening up, he should at least take the time to figure out if it really is. Just quick basic math would tell you that right now the rare slot is going to yield about 7.00 on average using current TCG low prices. That is valuing everything 2.00 and under at zero. The foil slot is also going to yield significant value. Without opening a lot of product, that is going to be a more difficult number to figure out. For all his crying about this set being more than MM1, WOTC has taken care of that in just the rare slot.

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Originally posted by rats60:
That video is really dumb. If this guy is going to claim the product is not worth opening up, he should at least take the time to figure out if it really is. Just quick basic math would tell you that right now the rare slot is going to yield about 7.00 on average using current TCG low prices. That is valuing everything 2.00 and under at zero. The foil slot is also going to yield significant value. Without opening a lot of product, that is going to be a more difficult number to figure out. For all his crying about this set being more than MM1, WOTC has taken care of that in just the rare slot.

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Well, my sample size is small. I've opened up 3 packs on 3 separate occasions so far
1 fulminator 2 crap
1 spellskite 2 crap
3 crap

so far for $30-$36 a pop that feels extremely bad. And the set hasn't been as exciting to draft.

I'm glad they made mma2015, just extremely disappointed in the final product with its increase in msrp, countless quality errors, and less exciting (imho) limited environment.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Well, my sample size is small. I've opened up 3 packs on 3 separate occasions so far
1 fulminator 2 crap
1 spellskite 2 crap
3 crap

so far for $30-$36 a pop that feels extremely bad. And the set hasn't been as exciting to draft.

I'm glad they made mma2015, just extremely disappointed in the final product with its increase in msrp, countless quality errors, and less exciting (imho) limited environment.

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I actually enjoyed limited quite a bit, but I only did one draft and managed to build a pretty solid BR deck. All three of my rounds were fairly competitive games as well, with two of three building in the established archetypes designed into the set. I thought it was fun and I would love to do like a dozen more.

That said, they totally shoot themselves in the foot with a huge section of the market by making it so expensive. I just can't justify doing more than 1-2 MM drafts, tops. Forget sealed, which was $80 at the only store that ran one locally. I get why they feel they have to charge such a high price for the packs to maintain this concept of not hurting the value of reprinted cards. I just don't like it, but (blah blah blah...magic is expensive, I get it).

As for card quality, I instantly noticed he difference in card quality when flipping through the packs. I was disappointed on that front. I'm sure WotC has heard the message loud and clear at this point...the only question will be if they actually care enough to change future releases.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Once the set was spoiled, I got so disgusted by the poor card quality of MM2 that I canceled my trip to Vegas. Now, I'm even more glad that I don't have to deal with card quality and gameplay issues.

Whoever is in charge of MM2 should never make another premium set ever again. Whoever is in charge of the packaging should be fired.

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I'm with her on all accounts. It just appeared to be one of the worst limited formats I could imagine. Watching multiple pods on Friday night and today just confirmed it for me.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Well, my sample size is small. I've opened up 3 packs on 3 separate occasions so far
1 fulminator 2 crap
1 spellskite 2 crap
3 crap

so far for $30-$36 a pop that feels extremely bad. And the set hasn't been as exciting to draft.

I'm glad they made mma2015, just extremely disappointed in the final product with its increase in msrp, countless quality errors, and less exciting (imho) limited environment.

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12.00 is too much, that just feels like gouging. 10.00 is not bad. The people that preordered at 250-300, well stupid is as stupid does. Right now at 215-220 (~9/pack) is where the product should be. Buying off Ebay today or tomorrow you can get back 10% + CC rewards, so at under 200 (~8/pack) it seems like a good buy.

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Once the set was spoiled, I got so disgusted by the poor card quality of MM2 that I canceled my trip to Vegas. Now, I'm even more glad that I don't have to deal with card quality and gameplay issues.

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regardless of product, you have to be really dense to not see the value on gp vegas.. aside from the fact it's in vegas.. and there'll be inf dollars to net on the floor trading with 7k+ players for potential.. there's a reason the vendor tables were absurdly priced.. I finalized my plans last wk with bookings.. seems like someone who thinks cancelling vegas should be in the looney bin

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Originally posted by coolio:
regardless of product, you have to be really dense to not see the value on gp vegas.. aside from the fact it's in vegas.. and there'll be inf dollars to net on the floor trading with 7k+ players for potential.. there's a reason the vendor tables were absurdly priced.. I finalized my plans last wk with bookings.. seems like someone who thinks cancelling vegas should be in the looney bin

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Tbf it'll cost like $1,000 to fly there get a hotel checking in Thursday or Friday and checking out Monday. Plus the time off. I considered going to Vegas but decided to keep the money for use on other stuff like just outright buying cards

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regardless of product, you have to be really dense to not see the value on gp vegas.. aside from the fact it's in vegas.. and there'll be inf dollars to net on the floor trading with 7k+ players for potential.. there's a reason the vendor tables were absurdly priced.. I finalized my plans last wk with bookings.. seems like someone who thinks cancelling vegas should be in the looney bin

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Bought 2 packs of mm2 at $11.99 each. Opened a creakwood liege and hurkyl's recall. Hated packaging, doesn't have the good smell to the new cards. Back card on each pack has streaking lines I assumed were from packaging. Cards feel thin and cheap.

Man they screwed this up. Wish I could get my money back somehow. I know it was only two packs, but paying roughly $13 with tax per pack you shouldn't even be allowed to open $1 rares. Made me sick.

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Originally posted by crusader_ff3:
Been playing magic casually at the kitchen table since 1995. Played my first event in a store for the prerelease of khans and fate reforged. Loved the sets and really enjoy drafting. This was my breakout into magic at the local game store.

Bought 2 packs of mm2 at $11.99 each. Opened a creakwood liege and hurkyl's recall. Hated packaging, doesn't have the good smell to the new cards. Back card on each pack has streaking lines I assumed were from packaging. Cards feel thin and cheap.

Man they screwed this up. Wish I could get my money back somehow. I know it was only two packs, but paying roughly $13 with tax per pack you shouldn't even be allowed to open $1 rares. Made me sick.

I'll stick to the secondary market and play at the kitchen table again... Lost all faith in this one.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
you're bitter than you played the lottery and lost? I'm not sure what you expected.

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