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Originally posted by aethertech:
It isn't just mill, its exile.

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Yeah, slightly more inconvenient, but still far better than annhilator. At least this doesn't put you so behind on the board that you have little hope of catching up after a single swing from an Eldrazi. I see them not reprising that ability as a clear sign of how disliked it was.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Rosewater has plainly stated multiple times that anihillator is unpopular. I think he may have even called it bad game design - it almost eliminates the possibility of catching-up which is one of his "ten things every games needs".

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Originally posted by iccarus:
His ability is still far easier to swallow than annhilator. I'd rather mill 20 than sac a bunch of permanents. I'm glad they are apparently leaving that ability out this time around. I might even swap out this guy for old Ulamog in the one deck I run Eldrazi in, simply because his cast trigger is better and I don't have to feel as bad when I swing with him.

Also, just noticed that new Ulamog does not have the "shuffle into library" clause. Too bad whip is rotating.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
I meant the uncounterable destroy two permanents ability for 10.

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Originally posted by crusader_ff3:
I seriously think that because fetchlands exist, basic lands are better than the new duals. Totally disappointed they didn't just reprint the zendikar fetches.

Putting these treasures in random boxes, gigantic BS money scheme.

Wizards is selling this set solely on full art basics. That's what everyone is excited about, which is hilarious to me.

I'm not judging people for liking the basics, they're cool looking. Just find it humorous that wizards is making so much money off of this. Genius on their part.

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Originally posted by DrDallon:

The new duals can be fetched just like the shock lands so.....

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Originally posted by revenger:
Which is why they are inferior to the shocklands. Example; turn 1 fetch. Sac. Go grab a shockland. Pay 2 life and u have a choice of 2 mana.
You cannot do this with the new dual lands. They come in tapped cuz you don't have 2 or more basic lands.
The new "delay" lands will be played like I said, however watch their price drop to around a little less than shocklands. Maybe even way less than the shocklands.
I, personally, would have liked the enemy color fetches or the checklands

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They are only inferior when you have 2 or less basic lands. After that, they are superior.

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Originally posted by aethertech:
They are only inferior when you have 2 or less basic lands. After that, they are superior.

Yea....there's that pesky basic thing to deal with....eh.

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Presales are about 10 each, and that's high because of the hype of a new set. They'll drop even lower.
On the plus side, they'll see play in edh which I might actually obtain a few for.

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Originally posted by flam flawless:
Really, nothing about these new duals make me wanna go bust boxes and scramble to have a playset like the rav duals did in RtR. I saw them and was like meh. They'll make mono color splash X decks in modern & have a better appeal to edh groups, but aside from standard, they're just too slow.

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Exactly how I feel.

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Originally posted by revenger:
Presales are about 10 each, and that's high because of the hype of a new set. They'll drop even lower.
On the plus side, they'll see play in edh which I might actually obtain a few for.

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Originally posted by flam flawless:
Really, nothing about these new duals make me wanna go bust boxes and scramble to have a playset like the rav duals did in RtR. I saw them and was like meh. They'll make mono color splash X decks in modern & have a better appeal to edh groups, but aside from standard, they're just too slow.

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Originally posted by inferno41:
Think the fat packs are gonna drop down to $30 or stay at 45?

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
When have magic cards ever gotten cheaper?

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Wasn't shocklands averaging 30 each once?

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Originally posted by revenger:
Wasn't shocklands averaging 30 each once?

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Originally posted by DrDallon:

The new duals can be fetched just like the shock lands so.....

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Did you forget that basic lands can be fetched as well?

Talking about competitive play only for what I will say vintage, legacy, and modern these are terrible bc fetchlands, Shocklands, and basic lands already exist. In a 2 color deck, 4 on color fetches, 4 dual lands or shocks, and the rest basics should be enough to fix your manabase. Add a third+ color and these get even less used bc now you can use more fetches and shocks.

By the time these come into play untapped, your manabase is already fixed.

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Originally posted by crusader_ff3:
Did you forget that basic lands can be fetched as well?

Talking about competitive play only for what I will say vintage, legacy, and modern these are terrible bc fetchlands, Shocklands, and basic lands already exist. In a 2 color deck, 4 on color fetches, 4 dual lands or shocks, and the rest basics should be enough to fix your manabase. Add a third+ color and these get even less used bc now you can use more fetches and shocks.

By the time these come into play untapped, your manabase is already fixed.

Something like edh or maybe standard since it's slower, these are just okay. I'll give them that. But with so much nonbasic land kill, there's another reason a basic land is better than these.

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
SO when do the fetchlands leave standard? may 2016?

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Originally posted by jaromirjagr:
Any speculation that see the unwritten will go up more because of the big eldrazis?

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