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dfitzg88
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posted September 11, 2015 12:53 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for dfitzg88 Click Here to Email dfitzg88 Send a private message to dfitzg88 Click to send dfitzg88 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Brutal Expulsion
2UR
Instant
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Choose one or both —
• Return target spell or creature to its owner's hand.
• Brutal Expulsion deals 2 damage to target creature
or planeswalker. If that permanent would be put into
a graveyard this turn, exile it instead.

I like the idea behind this card. Remand/Unsummon + Shock almost doesn't seem worth the 4 mana (compared to, say, Ojutai's Command, which has many more modes). I like that it has "modes" that are all good against Hangarback Walker, Den Protector, and Deathmist Raptor, though.

Sylvan Scrying reprint looks so goofy...

 
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posted September 12, 2015 04:06 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for mnDiff Click Here to Email mnDiff Send a private message to mnDiff Click to send mnDiff an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
hi there !

just a question ...

anybody know if the full art duals are only printed in English ..? ..or in Russian, Japanese, Korean aswell ??

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mnDiff:
hi there !

just a question ...

anybody know if the full art duals are only printed in English ..? ..or in Russian, Japanese, Korean aswell ??


Only in English, but they'll still be available in Russian, Japanese, and Korean packs (as well as all other languages).

 
mnDiff
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posted September 13, 2015 03:46 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for mnDiff Click Here to Email mnDiff Send a private message to mnDiff Click to send mnDiff an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by SageShadows:
Only in English, but they'll still be available in Russian, Japanese, and Korean packs (as well as all other languages).

thx for the info ..... ;-)

wizard going from worst to worst .... english cards in Russian packs ?? yeah yeah ....

 
Pail42
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posted September 13, 2015 06:29 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mnDiff:
thx for the info ..... ;-)

wizard going from worst to worst .... english cards in Russian packs ?? yeah yeah ....


If they had printed the expedition lands in foreign languages then it would have made the foreign boxes worth much more than the English ones. This keeps us from having a $700 Russian Misty Rainforest compared to a $200 English one. It keeps these lottery tickets "fair" across the world.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mnDiff:
thx for the info ..... ;-)

wizard going from worst to worst .... english cards in Russian packs ?? yeah yeah ....


waa waa my $200 bill is folded wrong!

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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
If they had printed the expedition lands in foreign languages then it would have made the foreign boxes worth much more than the English ones. This keeps us from having a $700 Russian Misty Rainforest compared to a $200 English one. It keeps these lottery tickets "fair" across the world.

How about $800 foil german polluted delta from about 3-4 years ago?

lol. But I can imagine russian "Expedition" lands being rather absurdly expensive compared to regular english.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by aethertech:
How about $800 foil german polluted delta from about 3-4 years ago?

lol. But I can imagine russian "Expedition" lands being rather absurdly expensive compared to regular english.


Yeah I was just throwing a number out there. They're doing the right thing by only printing these ultra-rare items in only one language.

 
Volcanon
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posted September 14, 2015 07:03 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I saw Horribly Awry and thought omg this is the best counterspell in years. Then I saw "Creature". Sigh.

Wish they would print a decent counterspell aside from Mana Leak. Why don't they reprint Power Sink? It's even flavorful for eldrazi stuff.

 
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Lets discuss:

The Second Best ETBT Black Land After Bojuka Bog (Mortuary Mire)

Frost Titan's Finger (Skyline Cascade)

Free Forest Advantage For Azusa (Fertile Thicket)

Ok, discussion is over. Someone at WotC ok'd the cards, and did so at common level.

 
Pail42
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posted September 14, 2015 10:57 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by aethertech:
Ok, discussion is over. Someone at WotC ok'd the cards, and did so at common level.

They come into play tapped and essentially also act as a 1 mana spell that's in-color. They seem okay to me. Not crap, not super powerful.

Black and green ones have a lot of potential in limited.
Blue and green feel like they could see constructed play.
Red and white aren't very exciting for aggressive decks because the effect is at sorcery speed and prevents you from curving up on-schedule.

 
Volcanon
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posted September 15, 2015 01:17 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
They come into play tapped and essentially also act as a 1 mana spell that's in-color. They seem okay to me. Not crap, not super powerful.

Black and green ones have a lot of potential in limited.
Blue and green feel like they could see constructed play.
Red and white aren't very exciting for aggressive decks because the effect is at sorcery speed and prevents you from curving up on-schedule.


The red one is def limited playable. First strike might as well say unblockable most of the time.

 
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I'm a fan of woodland wanderer. It'll be pretty sick to get a 5/5 haste & vigilance with surrak out for 4 mana
 
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Anyone find fat packs for less than $45?

You can split a booster box with someone and get 18 packs at that price. Darn full art basics.

 
thewarden
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Does anyone know what the other 20 cards are going to be in the expedition part of the set? And if they will be part of the following set in this be block? All the full art foils are numbered 1-45 meaning there's still 20 to be revealed???
 
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quote:
Originally posted by thewarden:
Does anyone know what the other 20 cards are going to be in the expedition part of the set? And if they will be part of the following set in this be block? All the full art foils are numbered 1-45 meaning there's still 20 to be revealed???

Yes, the other 20 lands are in the next set.

Also, did anyone else notice that there are no White Devoid/Eldrazi cards in BFZ?? I wonder what does that mean from a flavor standpoint.

 
Volcanon
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quote:
Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Yes, the other 20 lands are in the next set.

Also, did anyone else notice that there are no White Devoid/Eldrazi cards in BFZ?? I wonder what does that mean from a flavor standpoint.


The eldrazi are colorless evil. They seem to have now adapted colored mana.

However, while White can be evil, White evil is all about control and order. Eldrazi are all about destroying everything. It's incongruent. That's probably why.

 
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My guessis that they will be manland and filterland
 
Pail42
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http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/129361983373/why-are-there-no-white-aligned-devoid-cards-you

"I am a big believer in aesthetics and balance. Sometimes though the goal is to make things feel off kilter and then you can use that response to generate a feel."

Sounds like they're setting us up for something white happening next set.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/129361983373/why-are-there-no-white-a ligned-devoid-cards-you

"I am a big believer in aesthetics and balance. Sometimes though the goal is to make things feel off kilter and then you can use that response to generate a feel."

Sounds like they're setting us up for something white happening next set.


No black miracles cards.

 
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quote:
Grip of Desolation {4}{B}{B}
Intant
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Exile target creature and target land.

quote:
Planar Outburst {3}{W}{W}
Sorcery
Destroy all nonland creatures.
Awaken 4—5{W}{W}{W} (If you cast this spell for 5WWW, also put four +1/+1 counters on target land you control and it becomes a 0/0 Elemental creature with haste. It's still a land.)

So, I just want to be sure about this, but if my opponent casts a card like Planar Outburst for it's Awaken cost, and I destroy the land being targeted in response with a card like Grip of Desolation, the awaken spell will completely fizzle? It looks like it could be a huge ruling to know for the prerelease.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:
So, I just want to be sure about this, but if my opponent casts a card like Planar Outburst for it's Awaken cost, and I destroy the land being targeted in response with a card like Grip of Desolation, the awaken spell will completely fizzle? It looks like it could be a huge ruling to know for the prerelease.

Yes. Awaken adds a target to the spell. If all the targets are illegal the spell will be countered by the game rules.

 
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Why did Undergrowth Champion just tripled in price? Because burn is dead in standard now?
 
dfitzg88
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I think Undergrowth Champion goes in that tier 2 hardened scales deck people are playing. I can see it being cool but there's no way burn is bad enough to allow a clunky midrange scales strategy with a bunch of do-nothings in the maindeck to hit the top tables.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by fluffycow:
Why did Undergrowth Champion just tripled in price? Because burn is dead in standard now?


There's been a ton of BfZ testing online and people are in love with bad cards. I honestly think this entire set should've been aborted. It's awful.

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