Excuse my while I go and cool off.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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**The town has grown worrisome. No answers at this time have come forth on these Werewolf attacks.**

Deputy Jones " another villager's life has been taken by a vigilante lynch mob. Please villagers, you are not helping matters"

Thoughts of Lepers ~ AlmasterGM (1)
BernieB ~ revenger(1)
koodkkslis ~ koodkkslis(1)
WoollySpider ~ koodkkslis (2)
Our_Benefactors ~ AlmasterGM (2)
Jazaray ~ revenger (2)
AlmasterGM ~ koodkkslis (3)
revenger ~ koodkkslis (4)
MasterWolf ~ None...Power Outage? Plus had a whole extra day!
Bernek ~ koodkkslis (5)

WW's your name please.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
koodkkslis ~ koodkkslis(1)

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Sorry, they banned MOTL at work again and I had no power at home. Frickin sucks.

By the way, Bernek and Jaz are full of crap and have soared up in my suspicion list, because when I first posted going after the Liq pile some 200 posts ago, neither of them jumped to support the idea. Just sayin in case I don't survive the night.

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BULL! Bugger and I were the FIRST ones to say to go after the Liq pile.

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Originally posted by Jazaray on page 7 (original thread) :
So, my list of suspicions is Bugger, OB and revenger, right now. We need to lynch those three first and foremorst. I'm SURE that one of those three is a ww. More than likely only 1 of them is a ww, but it's possible that two are.

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Originally posted by Jazaray on page 8 (original thread):
I believe that we have to lynch Bugger, followed by revenger.

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Originally posted by Jazaray on page 11 (original thread):
I still think that we need to lynch one of the people who voted for Liq however, that's where we need to be. It's almost guaranteed that there was a wolf in that pile. I'd highly suggest a lynch of revenger, OB or you this round.

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Originally posted by Jazaray on page 11 (original thread):
I don't feel that lynching him will be better than clearing the Liq pile. I really feel there is a ww in that pile.

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Originally posted by Jazaray on page 12 (original thread):
I'm not trying to get Bugger lynched, I'm talking about the whole Liq pile, not Bugger specifically, if you understand what I mean.

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So, you wanna NOT call me a liar then MW?

Thanks,
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R1: kood (no info)
R2: Fwybwed (didn't vote Liq pile)
R3: revenger (knew we were going after Bugger, but voted revenger without solid reasoning of why)
R3: randon (in the tie-break, of Liq pile versus non, you went non)
R4: revenger (vote for Liq pile)

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As for where was I, I was on Page 8:

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As an aside, there are two other strategies we can try:

S1) Vote off each of the original 7 one by one until you hit a wolf.
Bugger
Battle_of_Twits
Thoughts of Lepers
fwybwed
PureGoblinBoy
MasterWolf

S2) Vote off each person who voted Liq round 1 until you hit a wolf.
Bugger ~ Liq (1)
Our_Benefactors ~ Liq (3)
revenger ~ Liq (4)

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
It probably would have been better for you to stay a liar Jaz (although you aren't). Because from your posts, and your supposed attempt to lynch the Liq pile, it casts your voting in a new light.

R1: kood (no info)
R2: Fwybwed (didn't vote Liq pile)
R3: revenger (knew we were going after Bugger, but voted revenger without solid reasoning of why)
R3: randon (in the tie-break, of Liq pile versus non, you went non)
R4: revenger (vote for Liq pile)

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As for where was I, I was on Page 8:
Which you didn't respond to.

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Yeah? Try checking five or six posts under that. Where I state that we need to lynch Bugger and then revenger. Just because I didn't go "OMG! YES YES, We need to lynch the Liq pile, MW, that's what I mean OMG!" doesn't mean I wasn't "for" your s2. What's this "new light" you're talking about?

Thanks,
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**Panic is the feeling here today. Jazaray's body was found lying in the street in front of her house, torn to shreds.**

Deputy Jones " At this time, anyone caught out after curfew will be dealt with seriously. It may be a shoot first, ask questions later"

Villagers your votes are due Tuesday night!

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IMO the Jaz Kill doesn't go with the certain trend. I should of been next. So was she onto something or do they want us to think that.

I know were not to think that the delay with votes is due to something with MM and not the wolves. We waited a few days for the kill and BoT said he had issues.

So now wooly takes his place and she is playing the same way he is quiet? I like this as a possible vote. I think that if we had the villagers talking all game instead of just playing survivor we would have at least one wolf by now.

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Almaster
Bernek

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Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
Here are my top two:

Almaster
Bernek

Still going for almaster this round.

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I don't know why you suspect me or what makes u think I am a wolf nor do I care. We need to come together this round. Take a step back if you truly are a villager and think about this and think about every post that goes up and everyone that doesn't!

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So, I think (based on this theory) that MW is a cit and lynching him will play right into the WWs paws and will end the game. I think the safest lynch right now is AlmasterGM, as he has still not posted since the VERY beginning, yet STILL manages to vote every time. I think he is a wolf, and if he happens to be the leader, that could explain even more why it has taken 2-3 days for the WW kill to be posted TWICE now. (I believe MM only accepts kills from the leader, correct?)

<snip>

So, without further ado, here’s what I came up with after a good hour of reading and many theories considered.

I am convinced that Our_Benefactors is a werewolf. Although each piece of evidence alone may not be significant, I feel their cumulative value is compelling. Take a look:

1) He has been in the “winning” pile of votes all but one time, and those votes have lynched a citizen every round.

2) He voted for Liq. I know this argument has been hashed and rehashed and is hardly proof of wolfhood by itself, but I just can’t bring myself to believe that not a single werewolf voted for Liq, and coupled with the other evidence against O_B, I think this adds a strike against him.

3) He voted for randon, and then Bugger was killed immediately afterward. If you go back earlier, he had posted suspicions of Bugger that suddenly evaporated and became randon.

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors
Currently torn between Bugger and Fwyb.BoT, any thoughts here? You've been flying under the radar a bit yourself.

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4) He has been buddy-buddy with TOL the entire game. All the way from the very first round, where he defended TOL from PGB.

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors
PGB, while ThoughtsOfLepers (new official acronym: ToL) is definitely being almost too agreeable, he is new to WW so in this respect I feel we should cut him some slack. Although if we lynch him this round it doesn't matter much.”

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5) He wagoned on to me like it was his JOB without reasons whatsoever. In my mind, this is the biggest strike against him. Here is his post:

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors
I didn't even really realize he was playing... AlmasterGM for me too. Heads up: I'm going to be gone from tomorrow afternoon until midday Sunday for a church trip.”

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors
Here are my top two:
Almaster
Bernek”

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I’ll be voting O_B this round unless someone compels me to change my mind (which is possible; I’m not dead-set on this theory). We only have one more chance, and we cannot afford to waste it on gut feelings or warrantless suspicions. If anyone has thoughts contrary, parallel, or that take a different avenue from mine, please post them so we can get some discussion alive and keep this game going.

You have ToL and OB saying they believe it's Almaster

Now we have Almaster, Bernie(hi Bernie) and Masterwolf all wanting to go after the Liq pile.

Well I do believe this has to come own to a 2 man race. There are still 2 more people to be heard. And let's just say that we do go after that pile. Which of the 2 do we go after?

Revenger has alienated himself from this game and Wooly hasn't said much either.

A small part of me thinks that there is something that we are over looking considerably! I am going go over every vote of the remaining 8 players an see if I can find a pattern. On which I will return with my summary. Wolves have to stay with a pattern not to get caught. I believe we have overlooked this.

OK this is how the remaining players have voted:

Rd 1 - Rd 2 - Rd 3 - Rd 4
Revenger - Liq / Jaz / Randon / Kood
OB - Liq / Fwy / Bernek / Almaster
BoT/Wooly - Kood / None / None / Kood
Almaster - ToL / Bugger / Randon / Kood
Masterwolf - Jaz / Bugger / Bugger / None
BernieB - Bernek / Bugger / Bugger / Revenger
ToL - Randon / None / Jaz / Almaster

Death = Liq / Fwy / Randon / Kood
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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
[B]
1) He has been in the “winning” pile of votes all but one time, and those votes have lynched a citizen every round.

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If you look back further, I express that I didn't believe bugger or randon were cits, but was choosing who I thought to be the lesser of two evils. Randon was not posting and not helping, so I would much rather see him gone than bugger, who though he didn't produce any wolf kills was making a very good effort.

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2) He voted for Liq. I know this argument has been hashed and rehashed and is hardly proof of wolfhood by itself, but I just can’t bring myself to believe that not a single werewolf voted for Liq, and coupled with the other evidence against O_B, I think this adds a strike against him.

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So, by itself this is meaningless, but somehow gains meaning because you want it to This really seems like reaching to me.

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3) He voted for randon, and then Bugger was killed immediately afterward. If you go back earlier, he had posted suspicions of Bugger that suddenly evaporated and became randon.

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Did you actually look at the posts that were made? Fwyb totally lost his marbles over the span of 3-4 posts. When I said "I'm voting for one of these two" and then vote for one, that doesn't necessarily mean I don't suspect the other. In this instance, bugger has done his work to convince me that he's not a wolf. I expressed this here:

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This is, in my opinion, terrible logic. I honestly don't believe either bugger or randon are wolves, and have to choose the lesser of two evils. I'd much rather lynch someone that's not participating instead of someone that's really doing a lot.

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors
Currently torn between Bugger and Fwyb.BoT, any thoughts here? You've been flying under the radar a bit yourself.

So why switch to randon? Because he knew in advance that Bugger was next on the hit-list, so he wanted to distance himself from voting for a very active citizen. The BoT probe seems like an attempt to get a general consensus so he would know where to hide and who to vote for.

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4) He has been buddy-buddy with TOL the entire game. All the way from the very first round, where he defended TOL from PGB.

Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors
PGB, while ThoughtsOfLepers (new official acronym: ToL) is definitely being almost too agreeable, he is new to WW so in this respect I feel we should cut him some slack. Although if we lynch him this round it doesn't matter much.”

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I defended him because we didn't have much to go on and PGB's criticisms of him felt very similar to PD's of myself in WW6, which was my first game. There were no such courtesies extended to me for my sloppy G1 play, and I was incorrectly lynched because of it. I wanted it to be considered that he could just be playing sloppily.

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to TOL’s accusation of me. Whether this follows the pair-of-wolves or the wolf-trying-to-befriend-a-cit path, I am unsure. However, I am HIGHLY skeptical that he just happens to agree with TOL on all counts out of pure sincerity. The fact that he has maintained this good-faith behavior from start to finish (save for his little game of suspecting and then retracting the suspicion during round 2) seems to me like a wolf tactic. This seems especially true considering TOL is new to the game and doesn't have a track record of brilliance or anything.

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Can you shorten what you're saying here? I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying that because I haven't been outwardly accusatory for most of the game, that's suspicious?

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5) He wagoned on to me like it was his JOB without reasons whatsoever. In my mind, this is the biggest strike against him. Here is his post:

Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors
I didn't even really realize he was playing... AlmasterGM for me too. Heads up: I'm going to be gone from tomorrow afternoon until midday Sunday for a church trip.”

Seriously, WTF? So your oversight means I’m a wolf?

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I believe that you only pointing at me out of the two players suspecting you is an attempt to set up a sac play on the part of ToL. If you are lynched this round as a wolf, ToL has an easy rock to hide behind in "I'm definitely a cit, see, I was gunning for a wolf that round!" I think you know that you're on your way out and want to set this up before it's too late.

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But activity isn’t based on the number of posts you make, it’s based on how much you CONTRIBUTE.

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Ok, had to lol here. I won't claim that I've contributed much as I've been very busy between revisiting colleges, church, and my C- AP Stats. But at least I've been poking my head in to give my reasonings.

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Most importantly, he is trying to target me, a silent (until now) player at this late period because he KNOWS that silent players can’t defend themselves. I know I haven’t been the best player, but honestly his strategy (if you can call it that) is terrible. I smell a wolf looking for easy victory.

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Silent players can't defend themselves, but silents also don't post anything of relevance. If we let this argument hold true AT ALL, it is very often advantageous for a wolf to be silent, since a cit (or other wolf) can simply pop in and say, "Oh ho ho, so you suspect someone who is defenseless? You must be a wolf lynching defenseless cits!" Given the choice between a poster and a nonposter, I will choose the nonposter almost every time. This point still feels like a whole bunch of "you suspect me, therefore I suspect you".

Even if you think this is an awful strategy, I think the "lets lynch liq voters" is far worse (though, once again, I have an obvious conflict of interest). Especially given that I was told to lynch liq. I had heard enough about what a good player liq was that I was willing to go along with his strategy. I think that going off R1 information this late in the game is simply foolish, because so much has changed since then.

This post didn't convince me about Almaster one bit, though I doubt anything he says will. The only argument he can possibly make in defense of himself is that "lynching silents is wolves having a good time against helpless players". In addition to the fact that he makes barely any mention of ToL on what seems to be his largest point against me, makes me only suspect the two more than I already did.

1 - General Voting Record

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors

If you look back further, I express that I didn't believe bugger or randon were cits, but was choosing who I thought to be the lesser of two evils. Randon was not posting and not helping, so I would much rather see him gone than bugger, who though he didn't produce any wolf kills was making a very good effort.

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So then why did you post Bugger on your suspicion list if you didn't think he was a wolf? Also, could you please offer some actual reasons as to why you think Bernek and I are wolves other than I haven't posted and ... uh, well you didn't give any justification at all for Bernek so at least something would be nice.

2 - Vote for Liq

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors

So, by itself this is meaningless, but somehow gains meaning because you want it to This really seems like reaching to me.

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Way to misrepresent what I said. My point is that a vote by itself does not constitution a suspicion, but the fact 1) it is backed up by other reasons and 2) you are one of only TWO remaining voters in the Liq pile makes it more significant than you think. Being in that pile doesn't mean anything just because I 'want' it to - it means something because Liq is a powerful player and I seriously doubt that there are no wolves in that pile.

3 - Switch from Bugger to randon

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors

Did you actually look at the posts that were made? Fwyb totally lost his marbles over the span of 3-4 posts. When I said "I'm voting for one of these two" and then vote for one, that doesn't necessarily mean I don't suspect the other. In this instance, bugger has done his work to convince me that he's not a wolf. I expressed this here:

This is, in my opinion, terrible logic. I honestly don't believe either bugger or randon are wolves, and have to choose the lesser of two evils. I'd much rather lynch someone that's not participating instead of someone that's really doing a lot.

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I don't see how that justifies why you no longer suspected Bugger - that is indicting of someone else's post, not Bugger. Can you please quote me a post where you cite specifically WHY you no longer suspected him?

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors

I never 'switched' to randon. I voted Bernek first, and then had to choose after the tiebreaker. Bernek was not an option here. If I was a wolf, I would have known in the first place that randon was
1)Gaining momentum
2)a citizen
and would have clearly chosen to vote for him under what you're describing.

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LOL. randon, 'gaining momentum'? With what, his two one-line self-defense posts? This is absurd, and if anyone is grasping at straws here it is you. And number two is my point exactly - you knew both randon and Bugger were cits, but that Bugger was going to be the next to go no matter what. In order to shield yourself from looking like you were gunning for Bugger, you voted for randon.

4 - Friendship with TOL

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors

I defended him because we didn't have much to go on and PGB's criticisms of him felt very similar to PD's of myself in WW6, which was my first game. There were no such courtesies extended to me for my sloppy G1 play, and I was incorrectly lynched because of it. I wanted it to be considered that he could just be playing sloppily.

Can you shorten what you're saying here? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

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My point is that it is a classic wolf tactic to try and either buddy up with either a citizen to gain an innocent friend or a wolf in order to try and attract a bandwagon. Citizens, on the other hand, have no reason to make such close friends because they will never know the identity of said friends and thus cannot trust them. That being said, I'm not searching for specific instances where you pointed out a flaw in PGB's post or anything like that. I'm looking for PATTERNS of friendship. You didn't just defend a weak TOL attack round one. You have worked with him from round one all the way to this round where you are voting blindly against me just because TOL said so. I believe this is you pulling of the exact strategy I just described.

5 - Bandwagon against me

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors

More or less. You were voting but couldn't even be bothered to stop in and post. You were clearly following the thread, but didn't even bother to say something to the effect of "really busy, but I voted". This reason has a huge smattering of "I suspect you because you suspect me".

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I've already posted my explanation and apology and am now here trying to contribute to the game. If you refuse to accept that, there's nothing more I can possibly say. However, don't even THINK of saying this is a retaliatory suspicion. TOL was the first one to add me to his suspicion list, not you, and he's not nearly as high on my radar as you are. Additionally, unlike you, I have actually given reasons for why I think you are a wolf.

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors

You make no mention of ToL here, who brought up your name in the first place for the EXACT SAME REASON (nonparticipation). This makes me especially nervous, and here's why:I believe that you only pointing at me out of the two players suspecting you is an attempt to set up a sac play on the part of ToL. If you are lynched this round as a wolf, ToL has an easy rock to hide behind in "I'm definitely a cit, see, I was gunning for a wolf that round!" I think you know that you're on your way out and want to set this up before it's too late.

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So now TOL is a wolf too? This just proves my point about how you don't understand the concept of EVIDENCE. I don't suspect TOL because the EVIDENCE against him isn't as strong as it is against you. I repeat the word EVIDENCE, or your lack thereof. Moreover, your theory itself just doesn't make any sense. Why do I need to suspect you in order for TOL to suspect me? This 'plan' could be occurring even if I had never said a word, so this proves absolutely nothing. Additionally, I'm hardly 'on my way out.' The only person who is dead-set about getting me removed from this game is you. If I had missed being lynched last round by a hair this theory might make a little more sense, but right now: no.

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors

Ok, had to lol here. I won’t claim that I’ve contributed much as I’ve been very busy between revisiting colleges, church, and my C- AP Stats. But at least I’ve been poking my head in to give my reasonings.

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This is hypocritical and I think serves as another strike against you. I've been busy too, if you actually read my previous post. But if you're going to play that card, how can you justify a vote for me? If being busy is your excuse for making crappy posts why do I deserve to be lynched for a gap in posting? Like I said, your two-sentence suspicion lists are no better than silence, so I don't see why you should be absolved but I condemned. I think you are being incredibly inconsistent and it is because you are a wolf, who was looking for an easy way out, but whose flimsy attempt has been called out and is now grasping at straws.

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors

Silent players can't defend themselves, but silents also don't post anything of relevance. If we let this argument hold true AT ALL, it is very often advantageous for a wolf to be silent, since a cit (or other wolf) can simply pop in and say, "Oh ho ho, so you suspect someone who is defenseless? You must be a wolf lynching defenseless cits!" Given the choice between a poster and a nonposter, I will choose the nonposter almost every time. This point still feels like a whole bunch of "you suspect me, therefore I suspect you".

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This is quite possibly our last chance to bag a wolf. What if the whole 'silent players are wolves' theory is wrong (like it has been for the last two rounds)? What if you are a wolf and you have instructed your fellow wolves to remain talkative so they will never fall into the limelight of your silent-crusade? While I am all for picking off some of the quiets in the earlier rounds when we have lots of time to spare, this is not the time to be making random shots in the dark. We NEED a wolf this round, and the best way to get one is to analyze ACTUAL patterns and posts. Guess time is over.

And once again, this is not a game of 'you suspect me so I suspect you,' so please just stop.

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors

Even if you think this is an awful strategy, I think the "lets lynch liq voters" is far worse (though, once again, I have an obvious conflict of interest). Especially given that I was told to lynch liq. I had heard enough about what a good player liq was that I was willing to go along with his strategy. I think that going off R1 information this late in the game is simply foolish, because so much has changed since then.

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I feel like half of this post is just a repeat of my prior. Like I said, your vote for Liq is not the only reason I suspect you - it is one of many. COMBINED with the fact that I think there is at least one wolf in the Liq pile for very good reasons I have already offered, I am inclined to believe that wolf is you.

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Originally posted by: Our_Benefactors

This post didn't convince me about Almaster one bit, though I doubt anything he says will.

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I think this says more about O_B and why I suspect him than any words of mine ever could.

Bernek - 3
OB - 3
Almaster - 3
Bernie - 1
ToL - 1
Masterwolf - 1

The kill came at 5pm eastern time yesterday and Revenger and Wooly have not said anything. Now is not the time for silence and the fact that they have not been on here to say anything really really bothers me.

These are the last two posts of both of them.

March 25 7:14pm MOTL Time

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Originally posted by revenger:
@ Jazaray & BernieB:

If kood is innocent and you want to vote for me next round, whatever. But at least I can help keep what is left of the conversation alive for a bit longer. More so than kood anyway.

Even if I am wrong about kood, he is not particpating, not posted since like march 11th on motl, thus is deadweight.

~Revenger

EDIT: TYPOS

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March 25 7:26pm MOTL Time

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Originally posted by Woolly Spider:
Ok here are my 2 cents, I haven't played from the beginning and that makes it hard to figure out whats going on cause you have to cram a huge post into just a few hours of reading through a few times.

I think people need to start talking more, I was in the last mafia game and not talking hurt the cits bad. I think we need to look towards one of the silent player's. I think the wolves are trying to shut us up to make it easier to hid among us.

I also feel that we should look to the bugger pile but in that aspect we should also not forget about the randon pile. cause the wolves may have been in there and just killed bugger to though us off.

I think my vote is headed for a silent player. I am not sure yet if I will declare my vote or not as I am not sure if that helps or hinders the wolves.

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Now Wooly expresses how people need to start talking more, yet we have not heard from her in 5 DAYS! Does this strike anyone odd? And it's funny cuz it was only 12 minutes after Revengers post.

I have a funny feeling that OB might not be the one we need to look at in the Liq pile.

Revenger posted date last before this date was March 19 twice first at 9:37 MOTL time and then 10:03 MOTL time. It seems that whenever someone calls him out he tens to post after that. Hmmmm! Let me do some more research on the final 8 to see if there is anything else that sticks out to me.
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If you want to avoid the problem altogether without changing your word settings, don't use Word. May I recommend TextPad? It even has a spell checker.

So then why did you post Bugger on your suspicion list if you didn't think he was a wolf? Also, could you please offer some actual reasons as to why you think Bernek and I are wolves other than I haven't posted and ... uh, well you didn't give any justification at all for Bernek so at least something would be nice.

I have already expressed why I was suspecting Bernek. I said that I believed his incoherence and bickering were an attempt to distract us.

I believed at one point that bugger may have been a wolf, but he was doing far too much in-depth analysis for me to still believe he was attempting to lead us astray. I don't have any specific posts pointing this out, so take it or leave it.

2 - Vote for Liq

Way to misrepresent what I said. My point is that a vote by itself does not constitution a suspicion, but the fact 1) it is backed up by other reasons and 2) you are one of only TWO remaining voters in the Liq pile makes it more significant than you think. Being in that pile doesn't mean anything just because I 'want' it to - it means something because Liq is a powerful player and I seriously doubt that there are no wolves in that pile.

You are entitled to believe there is a wolf in the Liq pile. I personally do not, as I don't really suspect revenger and obviously know my own role. I still don't understand your point #1- I really don't buy the argument that evidence can conditionally go from meaningless to meaningful just because there are other things out of whack on said person that aren't particularly related. Either something is suspicious in general, or it isn't. There are certainly times when such evidence is circumstantial, but I don't think this applies. As for #2- So. What. I believe a smarter wolf play would be to leave most of the Liq pile alive (thus not eating bugger) so that we would need to waste more lynches to clear it to find the wolf. Since I don't believe there are any wolves there, the wolves have no problem eating people out of that pile.

3 - Switch from Bugger to randon

I don't see how that justifies why you no longer suspected Bugger - that is indicting of someone else's post, not Bugger. Can you please quote me a post where you cite specifically WHY you no longer suspected him?

As I said, there is no such post. Make of that what you will, but my voting record backs this up. This argument feels reminiscent once again of WW6, where PD had a cow over my failure to explicitly state something as trivial as this.

LOL. randon, 'gaining momentum'? With what, his two one-line self-defense posts? This is absurd, and if anyone is grasping at straws here it is you. And number two is my point exactly - you knew both randon and Bugger were cits, but that Bugger was going to be the next to go no matter what. In order to shield yourself from looking like you were gunning for Bugger, you voted for randon.

You misinterpret what I'm saying. "Gaining momentum" was referring to a vote forming on randon, not randon gaining momentum in defending himself or whatever.

I have a different take on how I "knew bugger was next". If I had wanted to get bugger offed, I would have been VOTING FOR HIM, and continuing to suspect him. I've been in the winning pile most times, and a cit's been gone every time. Were I a wolf, why would I feel the need to change that up now. As a partial aside holding some relevance, I'm just astounded at how easy it is to twist something into how you choose to see it instead of taking it at face value (See once again- WW6).

4 - Friendship with TOL

My point is that it is a classic wolf tactic to try and either buddy up with either a citizen to gain an innocent friend or a wolf in order to try and attract a bandwagon.

It's also called "defending someone you believe to be innocent".

Citizens, on the other hand, have no reason to make such close friends because they will never know the identity of said friends and thus cannot trust them.

I wasn't even aware we had a "strong friendship". Heck, I even suspected him for a while when I didn't realize that there is no R0 seer call.

That being said, I'm not searching for specific instances where you pointed out a flaw in PGB's post or anything like that. I'm looking for PATTERNS of friendship. You didn't just defend a weak TOL attack round one. You have worked with him from round one all the way to this round where you are voting blindly against me just because TOL said so. I believe this is you pulling of the exact strategy I just described.

So, to my understanding, this is your synopsis of my interactions with ToL:

-I defend him because I believe him to be a noob making classic mistakes.
-I agree that we should lynch someone who has done nothing the entire game, and looks like they are very possibly trying to fly under the radar the ENTIRE GAME. I'm honestly sorry to hear that you had such a busy few weeks coupled with financial troubles, but I DO NOT buy that you were too busy to spend the ONE minute to get onto MOTL, say "it's been really hectic at work, but I'm voting for X" once every three days. That is simply garbage and you know it, ESPECIALLY since you had the requisite minute to PM your votes.

5 - Bandwagon against me

I've already posted my explanation and apology and am now here trying to contribute to the game. If you refuse to accept that, there's nothing more I can possibly say.

Like I stated, I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it.

I'm still voting for Almaster this round, but will keep up with the thread to see if anything develops.

Oh, and I anticipate the silver lining in watching people eat their words if/when I'm lynched.