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Originally posted by Woolly Spider:
Hi sorry I haven't been on, but I fell and pinched a nerve in my back on saturday night. And I am not supposed to be up and moving around alot. I think a Liq pile vote may be the way to go. so I am sending in my vote for O_B.

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Your last post was 3 days before Saturday night? This isn't making any sense. And neither is this vote. That is twice that you have voted an you are jumping on a wagon. I don't like this post one bit!

It is in the best interest of the villagers side to hopefully win for me to suggest that if people want to vote in the Liq pile, we go after Revenger.

The few people who have brought it up are going after OB and I have a feeling that Revenger might be the one not OB to go after.
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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Your last post was 3 days before Saturday night? This isn't making any sense. And neither is this vote. That is twice that you have voted an you are jumping on a wagon. I don't like this post one bit!

It is in the best interest of the villagers side to hopefully win for me to suggest that if people want to vote in the Liq pile, we go after Revenger.

The few people who have brought it up are going after OB and I have a feeling that Revenger might be the one not OB to go after.

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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
I agree that Woolly's behavior is a little disconcerting, but I don't think we have time to make a move on her now. As for the revenger / O_B issue, do you have any reasons why you prefer a revenger vote? I feel it's crucial that we unify and make the best decision possible this round, and avoid relying on gut feelings that are more or less coin flips. Although such hunches are helpful when we are looking for a direction to move in, I think they can be detrimental when we have lots of concrete posts and other analysis sitting right in front of us helping us reason which way to go. Although I hardly consider revenger clean of guilt, I'm most suspicious of O_B at this time for the reasons I already offered.

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OK from last page the quotes I took from Revenger and Wooly which are 12 minutes apart. Both 5 days ago and both suggest about being more talkative. Yet neither of them are

Now wolves ten to try and befriend a villager and go along with them. In the last thread Revenger does just that. When I am going on about Jaz. Then afterwards gets into it with her.

I feel as though he might of been trying to latch onto me hoping for me to go after her, he joins in an see if there can be something brought against her.

Now when there isn't, he can't just make sure she gets off the very same round. He just waits a couple rounds to do it.

Also, he initially voted for Randon and then changed it to Bugger. Seeing as most of the vote was going towards Randon, he tried to tip the scales back the other way.

I don't know, you don't vote for one person then after a tie vote for someone else. Seems a little suspicious to me.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
We only have two votes left. IMO this is exactly where the wolves would want us to hit. I think you are a wolf. It makes perfect sense to be on board now with the Liq pile. Where were you in the beginning when I was trying to implement this. There were only a few people on board. Now with the game on the line. Wolves will def want us to go after that pile. Putting ideas in people head. IMO I don't think either of them are wolves. I believe the wolves stayed away from the pile seeing as too many people were after Liq and it would bolster well for them to stay away and get cheap kills by voting off the pile. It would not make sense for just 1 wolf to be in that pile. There would of had to been at least 2 or maybe all of them. They then in turn Wasted GLE in that pile. If there was a wolf in that pile they wouldn't of touched him. Making the pile smaller for us to hit.

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Imo I think you contradict yourself. Ob or me, and now all of a sudden you suspect me. This post of yours was directed at Jazaray, a confirmed cit. I saw on another post of mafia I do beleive that someone who is trying to help potentially could be a wolf. I cannot locate the post, I do beleive nderdog is one who posted it, and this is what I am seeing from you now.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
OK this could be it? Where do we turn. The 5 remaining villagers have to do a good job in convincing they are villagers. We need a wolf and we need one NOW!

IMO the Jaz Kill doesn't go with the certain trend. I should of been next. So was she onto something or do they want us to think that.

I know were not to think that the delay with votes is due to something with MM and not the wolves. We waited a few days for the kill and BoT said he had issues.

So now wooly takes his place and she is playing the same way he is quiet? I like this as a possible vote. I think that if we had the villagers talking all game instead of just playing survivor we would have at least one wolf by now.

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It appears you are all over the place. Sound advice on not just playing survivor, but you suspect woolly here, and all of a sudden suspect me? Which one is it?

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Your last post was 3 days before Saturday night? This isn't making any sense. And neither is this vote. That is twice that you have voted an you are jumping on a wagon. I don't like this post one bit!

It is in the best interest of the villagers side to hopefully win for me to suggest that if people want to vote in the Liq pile, we go after Revenger.

The few people who have brought it up are going after OB and I have a feeling that Revenger might be the one not OB to go after.

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Why the all of a sudden defense of OB? Care to explain? Do you suspect me because of my inactivity? My zero posts? Zero posts on Motl for that matter?

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
OK from last page the quotes I took from Revenger and Wooly which are 12 minutes apart. Both 5 days ago and both suggest about being more talkative. Yet neither of them are

Now wolves ten to try and befriend a villager and go along with them. In the last thread Revenger does just that. When I am going on about Jaz. Then afterwards gets into it with her.

I feel as though he might of been trying to latch onto me hoping for me to go after her, he joins in an see if there can be something brought against her.

Now when there isn't, he can't just make sure she gets off the very same round. He just waits a couple rounds to do it.

Also, he initially voted for Randon and then changed it to Bugger. Seeing as most of the vote was going towards Randon, he tried to tip the scales back the other way.

I don't know, you don't vote for one person then after a tie vote for someone else. Seems a little suspicious to me.

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It was a retalitory(sp) vote. He voted for me. I then voted for him in the tie breaker. I think I have been known to do that.

Will give ya little game history for Revenger.

4 games in total I have played.

1st game. A confirmed cit. Lynched. I cannot find the post for it, IIRC correctly, the cits lost, thus I lost.

2nd game. I was a wolf with jazaray and cait. I was killed, then cait, then jaz. Cits won. I lost being a wolf.

3rd game. I was a cit. Although I did not get lynched, the wolves won. Thus I lost.

4th game - This game. Lynching of me ends the game. Are you noticing a pattern? Maybe that is the reason of my -.25 standing points.

As for the silent non talkative players, my suspicion of them has risen, but maybe not to the point of voting for them. AlamasterGM? Definetly has risen. Masterwolf? Risen. BernieB? Risen. But maybe not to the point of voting for them.

I think this attack was maybe for me to follow a remaining good player, and thus sway my vote. You think I would vote for myself? We need to get a wolf or it's over, and my gut feeling (sometimes I am right about my gut feeling, sometimes I am not) tells me not to vote for you. I usually do a retalitory(sp) vote, but this one time, I am not going to. I do not declare my vote, as it helps the wolves out imo.

I will explain my inactivity on the game and Motl after the game as ended.

~Revenger

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Originally posted by revenger:
I do not declare my vote, as it helps the wolves out imo.

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Umm mafia will block vote, so if you are a citizen, to me that seems like the WORST plan ever. I won't debate whether or not declaring helps the wolves in general, but in this instance, I see not declaring as REALLY screwing over the cits. If all cits don't vote for the same person, mafia wins automatically if they block vote. Revenger, if you are a cit, and the rest of us cits vote person A (Who has to be a wolf), the mafia will all vote person B. If you vote person C, we lose. So, if you don't want to declare at LEAST vote with the person/people you think is/are a cit/cits. Without a consensus vote here by EVERY cit, we lose. Someone may think of you as their only confirmed Citizen. If so, they may want to vote with you to achieve consensus. If you don't declare, they may end up voting for person D just because they want to avoid voting with the wolves and that will KILL us.

Now to everyone else...My strategy this round has been to vote the person I thought MOST likely to be a wolf. Call me easily convinced, but I'm not 100% sure AlmasterGM fits the bill anymore. (He may or not be a wolf, but we need the surest lynch) I am (finally) on board with voting someone in the liq pile. (I wasn't opposed to it before, I just never brought it up, so this isn't a change of heart or anything.) I just can't believe the wolves stayed away entirely from that pile. Liq's plan ONLY hurt the wolves. (I believe the only complaints received about the plan from confirmed cits basically amounted to: 'But what if we accidentally lynch the seer?' which although we DID do that, that's only because the citizenry just HAD to vote Liq and not wait for him to be seer-checked. The plan was perfect with Liq as seer, I still maintain) I can't believe that only cits lynched Liq. If we can't nab a wolf this round, I believe this entire game was decided in the first round, when Liq was lynched.

In short, I am OK with a vote for either revenger OR O_B, provided someone will illustrate just why they suspect one more than the other. I have other suspects, but I consider it a BAD idea to post them because we NEED a consensus vote.

Sorry if I rambled, I'm pretty bad at making fairly long posts and still having them make sense. Feel free to bring up anything that you agree or don't agree with.

COME ON CITS...WE CAN DO THIS

I think that between OB and Revenger, I have to lean OB because he's posted much less and contributed little to this game, until the end when he comes on with long posts defending himself. But we CANNOT split between OB and Revenger. I think the wolves might be trying to start a wagon against someone, so beware.

I think all cits should vote OB. I'm taking a stand right now and saying that I will be voting OB. I do not know for sure whether he is a wolf, but I'm pushing all in against him. We are near defeat and we have to nail this one or we lose. It's a lot to ask, but I am requesting from all citizens to vote OB to give us a chance to pull this out.

Nevertheless, though, I STRONGLY agree with Bernek, MasterWolf, and TOL that we MUST vote together this round in order to prevent this game from being stolen away. I'm keeping my vote at O_B. He has the most evidence against him, and even though others may have drawn suspicion, we have to go with our best bet. In addition to my other posts where I explain why I suspect O_B, I feel this recent post speaks a million words, though it is only one line:

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Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
If people are deadset on choosing someone from the liq pile, I will vote revenger to save myself...

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He has realized that no one is going to join his little crusade against me, and is now planning to vote revenger in an attempt to give the wolves the game. Undoubtedly, all his wolfy friends are also voting revenger, even if they have not stated so. WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. I URGE every other one of you to vote O_B. If we do not vote in unison, if just ONE of us sways away and votes for the target the wolves want, we will almost certainly lose this game.

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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
I feel this recent post speaks a million words, though it is only one line:

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Seriously? This is just terrible logic! Being a cit OR a wolf leads to the same path of action!

Wolf: Crap, they're starting to vote for me, better save myself.

Cit: Crap, they're starting to vote for me, better save myself.

I look forward to your apology.

I believe it is fairly certain that the populous plans on lynching me this round, so here are my final (but pointless) predictions on who is a wolf:

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Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
Seriously? This is just terrible logic! Being a cit OR a wolf leads to the same path of action!

Wolf: Crap, they're starting to vote for me, better save myself.

Cit: Crap, they're starting to vote for me, better save myself.

I look forward to your apology.

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I'm sorry - that you didn't understand what I was saying. My point isn't that if you were truly a citizen you'd be begging to be lynched. It's that your switch to revenger is showing us the danger of the wolf course of action, and that as cits we cannot afford to divide.

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Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:

I believe it is fairly certain that the populous plans on lynching me this round, so here are my final (but pointless) predictions on who is a wolf:

Almaster
Wooly
MW

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Clock's ticking!

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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
I'm sorry - that you didn't understand what I was saying. My point isn't that if you were truly a citizen you'd be begging to be lynched. It's that your switch to revenger is showing us the danger of the wolf course of action, and that as cits we cannot afford to divide.

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If I was truly a citizen, I would definitely not be begging to be lynched. Because this is our last chance.

Our Benefactors has been lynched.

The game is over.

Im pretty disappointed in the end game turn out.

WW's reveal yourselves and enjoy your win!

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Sweet! 2 outta three?

Edit: who was the third wolf?

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Thoughts of Lepers
BernieB
WoollySpider
Almaster
revenger
All voted Our_Benefactors
O_B voted revenger

Masterwolf and Bernek did not vote.

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Was on my suspicion list, but frankly I had reasons to suspect all the players because I am so paranoid. Had I been alive though I would have been voting revenger for the last 3 rounds.

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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
Woolly (previously BoT)

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Sweet! 2 outta three?

Edit: who was the third wolf?

2nd edit: I hate to say I told everyone so about revenger... but I did tell you so. Venge, you voted for the strongest player *every* time.

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~Rev

Post Edit: I did vote for randon, but switched it to you.
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And Almaster, your final post was a dead give a way to me.

So, NOW can you see how not declaring is harmful to the cits and the wolves could give a care?

Thanks,
Jazaray

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