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Topic: Change to Sending Rules - Effective May 28
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coasterdude84
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posted May 14, 2012 11:07 AM
      
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Originally posted by rats60:
I would also agree with those who say that sig confirmation on 100.00 is a low threshold given the rise of prices with Legacy and introduction of Mythics. 200 would be better in my opinion and is covered if sender insures the cards.
Agreed as well, I'd prefer $200 or $250 as the limit.
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MagixDK
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posted May 14, 2012 03:17 PM
any kind of confirmation, when i ship cards, costs 15 dollars.looks like im screwed then. (i almost exclusively buy 100$+)
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Vegas10
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posted May 14, 2012 03:40 PM
 
If that means restricted sig confirmation, I will be using a disclaimer still, I am a mail carrier of 11 years, and in that time I have had 3 restricted delivey cerified letters and never once a restricted delivey signature confirmation package, because even by most legal standards(most not all) if say a person who lives at the same address as you signs for something than it is considererd that you recieved it. so if I send you something and your roomate/family whatever signs for it then I feel I met my obligation of getting it to you(doesn't mean there still couldn't be legite issues like cards damaged etc..) but I refuse to be responsible for someones relative/roomates bad judgment if they don't give the item to you or if you try to scam me by saying I didn't sign for it. And insured isn't the gold goose this site make it seem like, if an insured package is scanned delivered/signed for even if the sender said he didn't get it your claim will probably not be won however you may have a case of mail fraud against the reciever if they say they didn't get it but a relative/roomate signed for it.
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jaxsonpride
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posted May 14, 2012 06:49 PM
I am a Noob here however i ahve done alot of trading thru the mail..this is a great idea 1.the DC proves that the packages was delivered so you sending bases are covered 2 the signing for the package simply that much more protection if someone at the address signs for it you have done your part the package has made it to where it was ment to go...if the person the trade is with does not get it from that point its not a trust issue with the sender but with the people in there own home
3. if it is the extra sending money that would be the hamper on the idea simply add to the trade card/s to cover what you are paying Or simply DONT TRADE
but agian guys GREAT Call on this rule...
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toorima99
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posted May 14, 2012 07:40 PM
I think sonething else not being stated is that dc has to be used.If I do a 5 dollar trade can I still use a PWE if both parties agree? Or do I have to use dc now? Maybe I'm reading if wrong?
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nderdog
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posted May 14, 2012 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by toorima99:
I think sonething else not being stated is that dc has to be used.If I do a 5 dollar trade can I still use a PWE if both parties agree? Or do I have to use dc now? Maybe I'm reading if wrong?
As always, you're more than welcome to send however you want. Just remember that if the recipient says that it didn't arrive, you're on the hook for resending. This rule is only addressing the requirements for proof of delivery if the sender wishes to protect themselves. __________________
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toorima99
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posted May 14, 2012 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by nderdog:
As always, you're more than welcome to send however you want. Just remember that if the recipient says that it didn't arrive, you're on the hook for resending. This rule is only addressing the requirements for proof of delivery if the sender wishes to protect themselves.
Okay thanks!!
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simbayu
Member
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posted May 14, 2012 09:31 PM
Leshrac,Thanks for changing the rules. I, like many others would like to see the limit for sig confirmation raised. My personal preference would be $500.
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Nitelite
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posted May 15, 2012 01:49 AM
Why does it have to be restricted signature confirmation? If someone in your house signs for something and you never receive it, that is no longer the senders responsibility. That is on you and your recourse is taking the person that signed for the package to court for theft.As for money limit when using DC, $100 seems slightly low. I would be happy with $150 or $200. Anything more than that and I am using registered mail anyways.
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Dragon_Summoner
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posted May 15, 2012 03:26 AM
Just wanted to poke my head in and say thank you.  Ben
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MAB_Rapper
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posted May 15, 2012 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
Agreed as well, I'd prefer $200 or $250 as the limit.
I'll also agree on this. __________________
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Demilio
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posted May 15, 2012 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
I'll also agree on this.
Yeah, $200-$250 might be better than $100. I also think regular signature confirmation is enough. (restricted is not necessary IMO)
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B14ckM4g3
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posted May 15, 2012 01:45 PM
Two things:1 requested sticky on topic 2 leshrac, would you entertain ideas of selling this website?
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Jazaray
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posted May 15, 2012 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
Two things:1 requested sticky on topic
This system doesn't support stickies. Thanks,
Jazaray
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flophaus
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posted May 15, 2012 05:28 PM
I agree that $100 is too low. Because even a box of boosters from a newish set can be over $100.Or say, 2 Dual's, or w/e. I think $250 is good. Thanks for getting back to us, Leshrac =)
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Jazaray
Moderator
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posted May 15, 2012 08:51 PM
I honestly don't see why you guys have a problem with $100 limit. You were all worried because you didn't want to send registered/sig confim etc, with smaller trades. This solves that. Over $100, IMHO, you should be sending insured/registered/sig confirm already.. Thanks,
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There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
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MasterWolf
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posted May 15, 2012 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Jazaray:
I honestly don't see why you guys have a problem with $100 limit. You were all worried because you didn't want to send registered/sig confim etc, with smaller trades. This solves that. Over $100, IMHO, you should be sending insured/registered/sig confirm already.. Thanks,
Jazaray
I disagree. I sent a $130 package today and paid $17 for registered shipping. That's ridiculous.
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slurpee
Member
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posted May 15, 2012 09:04 PM
I too believe that this should mirror paypal as in many cases they would be the ones who get a claim opened. 250 and less DC should be enough 250 or more signature confirmation. International I really don't see how anything changed anyways as the only way was registered or one of the more expensive services to get proof of delivery.
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paragondave
Member
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posted May 15, 2012 09:05 PM
$250 is the accepted and appropriate threshold and falls in line with all the other sites who deal with this issue. I agree with that as well. What the mods and admins agree to make law on this site has no bearing on my trades or sales because I will continue to use the appropriate disclaimers when necessary.Folks, MOTL is not a democracy. P.S. If MOTL was for sale and I was able to purchase it, which I have considered investigating, it would continue to not be a democracy...and it would stop being completely free. Perspective is everything. quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
I honestly don't see why you guys have a problem with $100 limit. You were all worried because you didn't want to send registered/sig confim etc, with smaller trades. This solves that. Over $100, IMHO, you should be sending insured/registered/sig confirm already.. Thanks,
Jazaray
Jaz, if you did a lot of deals, you would understand the impact that amount has on the cost of doing business by the MOTL guidelines. Since you don't, it is hard for you to see the reasoning. 
[Edited 2 times, lastly by paragondave on May 15, 2012]
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Vegas10
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posted May 15, 2012 09:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
I honestly don't see why you guys have a problem with $100 limit. You were all worried because you didn't want to send registered/sig confim etc, with smaller trades. This solves that. Over $100, IMHO, you should be sending insured/registered/sig confirm already.. Thanks,
Jazaray
In order to get a signature for insured through USPS the contets of the package must be $200 or greater, therefore Insured would not be a default option here for proof of delivery. And if your talking restricted sig confirmation or registered then yes $100 is to low as those options are very expensive and would just lead to discalimers again, if regular signature confirmation ( in otherwords if anyone living at the address signs for it , the contents are considerd delivered to the reciever) is enough, then that isn't terrible.
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scipio624
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posted May 15, 2012 10:06 PM
I believe Adult Signature Restricted Delivery for packages over $100 is a bit extreme. An extra $5 on top of shipping is a bit much for a trade that small. I would prefer if DC was enough for trade/sales under $250, with trades/sales more expensive being covered by the generic signature confirmation.
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WeedIan
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posted May 15, 2012 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by paragondave:
P.S. If MOTL was for sale and I was able to purchase it, which I have considered investigating, it would continue to not be a democracy...and it would stop being completely free. Perspective is everything.
And then it would likely die if it wasn't free. That being said I'm Canadian and the tracking of packages has been super expensive for a LONG time for me so these rules really don't have any real effect on me. Just do what most do make disclaimers or just don't make deals you can't afford to lose on. __________________
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paragondave
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posted May 15, 2012 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
And then it would likely die if it wasn't free.
which is to my point...but it would be a quicker death, no?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by paragondave on May 15, 2012]
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WeedIan
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posted May 16, 2012 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by paragondave:
which is to my point...but it would be a quicker death, no?
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Nitelite
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posted May 16, 2012 01:48 AM
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Folks, MOTL is not a democracy.
No, but it is a community driven effort whose advice was sought out by the owner. No one is saying what he can/cannot do. No would would be presumptuous enough. That doesn't mean we can't give advice on what he should/should not do. quote:
P.S. If MOTL was for sale and I was able to purchase it, which I have considered investigating, it would continue to not be a democracy...and it would stop being completely free. Perspective is everything.
And it would fail and never go anywhere. What is your point?
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