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And I will push for a player if I believe him to be Mafia scum.

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Because you are not voting for me, do you not believe I'm Mafia? If so, why are you insinuating otherwise?

Bernek: Do you believe Kyo is false claiming? And why.

I'm on my phone and at work, so sorry to keep it short.

~MM

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:

4) There are no restrictions to claiming to be the Doctor/Detective/Vigilante. There is no “reveal” and roles will not generally be confirmed unless the player has been killed.

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We will not be confirmed this unless you are lynched or nk'd (this means night-killed right?).

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Originally posted by Kyosukee:
This is why you elaborate when you get the chance to.

So before the fingers point to be, because Broiler would've voted for me...

Claim, Doctor.

Vote Bernek77

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While I agree with this vote of Bernek, I disagree with the fact that Bernek's voting pattern has been all over the place in this game, which imo does not constitute a vote from me this round. Just feels to random to me.

As for your claim to be the doc, please enlighten us as to to why we should beleive you, cuz as everyone keeps pointing out, I'm the one who does not lie. I guess, evidence would be very helpful and grateful.

~Revenger

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VOTE BERNEK77

Vote: hilikus

I know I was wrong about Nder, but I wasn't as that certain. Hilikus is floating so far under the radar that I know something has to be up.

SIDENOTE - we really need votes in on time. I know I've missed two votes but with the game rolling there is no real excuse to miss a vote, even if it's just a placeholder vote we need to see how people react to votes and try to feel out the rest of these players.

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Originally posted by revenger:
We will not be confirmed this unless you are lynched or nk'd (this means night-killed right?).

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You've played HOW many games? For HOW long? And you need us to confirm that NK means Night Killed? Not to mention this whole thing with the WIFOM. To me, it's like you're trying to sound too innocent, too n00bish.

You are very high on my suspect list.

Hili, you are too, but you always are. I just find it.. odd that you asked Liq to join and then he was the first kill. And something about your posts doesn't seem right, but I can't put my finger on it. I'm not sure if it's the structure that's just off, or what.

For now, as a placeholder, I will be voting hilikuS.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
I'm sorry Rev... but I REALLY think you're mafia. You are far to experienced to say something like

You've played HOW many games? For HOW long? And you need us to confirm that NK means Night Killed? Not to mention this whole thing with the WIFOM. To me, it's like you're trying to sound too innocent, too n00bish.

You are very high on my suspect list.

Hili, you are too, but you always are. I just find it.. odd that you asked Liq to join and then he was the first kill. And something about your posts doesn't seem right, but I can't put my finger on it. I'm not sure if it's the structure that's just off, or what.

For now, as a placeholder, I will be voting hilikuS.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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I was just reaffirming that is what it means. I was sure, just double checking for my own senses. And sure I've got expierence, but that doesn't make me a great player, or good for that matter. And yes, wifom still has me . But I get the general idea behind it now tho.

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Originally posted by revenger:
I was just reaffirming that is what it means. I was sure, just double checking for my own senses. And sure I've got expierence, but that doesn't make me a great player, or good for that matter. And yes, wifom still has me . But I get the general idea behind it now tho.

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It just doesn't sound right Rev. I think you're a good player, but regardless of how good you are (or think you are) you are NOT a clueless kinda guy. These posts just don't sound like you.

And I really can't explain WIFOM any better than I've already tried.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
It just doesn't sound right Rev. I think you're a good player, but regardless of how good you are (or think you are) you are NOT a clueless kinda guy. These posts just don't sound like you.

And I really can't explain WIFOM any better than I've already tried.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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What is really sad is I've been playing this since like 2008, and still truly thouroughly completely cannot deduce on how to catch the werewolves. I'm in awe on how PlasteredDragon and/or Liq or someone the like can figure out who is the angel, or who is the bad guys. I've seen a few post "I knew u were the angel since round 2". So in actuallity, I,m not clueless, but a level above it.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:

Hili, you are too, but you always are. I just find it.. odd that you asked Liq to join and then he was the first kill. And something about your posts doesn't seem right, but I can't put my finger on it. I'm not sure if it's the structure that's just off, or what.

For now, as a placeholder, I will be voting hilikuS.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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It was a setup I tell you! Naw I just legitimately liked playing with Liq when he played. I know a lot of people found his playstyle cryptic, and uninformative, but I found it a lot better. Basically posting suspicions without giving any spin.

I have noticed that WCFmo is playing a bit differently. Or at least to me it seems that way. However, having played with him many times, and twice as a werewolf, I don't know if his change is that of a guy with a role. He mentioned he's busy on at least one occasion, so it might just be that. I thought it was worth noting his change in playstyle though.

Kyo coming out as the Doctor I am skeptical of, but otherwise he has done nothing to make me think he's mafia. Defending yourself against Bernek is a natural play when he's in the game.

At this point I'm looking at the players I don't know too well. Those being MeddlingMage (yes I know he's been running games forever, but as a player I honestly don't remember much about him), scipio, SolonJhee, and Kwas. Since I was totally set up with the Liq thing, I'm thinking one of these guys might have made it. It seems like a logical play, but I honestly don't put anybody else on it. I don't know these guys well, and I think the only one familiar with Liq would be MM. However, I suppose without even knowing Liq you could make the play.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Kyo: If you don't mind me asking, care to tell us whom, as the doctor you saved each round and why? What made you think they were a villager etc. Please try and remember what round/player.

Bernek: Do you believe Kyo is false claiming? And why.

I'm on my phone and at work, so sorry to keep it short.

~MM

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If Kyo is truly the Dr why come out and claim the role when there was no suspicion thrown his way. He hasn't been threatened with a lynch to make a plea not to go to the Gallows. He has been coming for me without adequate information. He isn't the cop so the only way he would know my role is if he was Mafia.

Now going on the older player list there are far more better players on there than me. SO what is his obsession to believe I am mafia?

I believe he knows I am on to him being alive still and by claiming a role that's still alive poses 2 things. Either A people believe him and vote me off, or B he is trying to get the real Dr to come forward and say no he's not I am.

The last few games Kyo has been voted off very early. ANd normally he is putting out a lot of information. Yet this game he is tunneling me....Still have no clue why. It's not his game play and it's hard for me to believe him to be a cit.

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Originally posted by WCFmo:
No explanation needed.

VOTE BERNEK77

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I think an explanation is more than needed at this point in the game.

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Kyo

I plan on going back and re-reading everything.

Rev I have to agree with Jaz that your posts don't seem like you. and I stand by the fact that whenever you are called out about being a baddie you are quick to claim your innocence and this game it took you quite a few posts.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
If Kyo is truly the Dr why come out and claim the role when there was no suspicion thrown his way. He hasn't been threatened with a lynch to make a plea not to go to the Gallows. He has been coming for me without adequate information. He isn't the cop so the only way he would know my role is if he was Mafia.

Now going on the older player list there are far more better players on there than me. SO what is his obsession to believe I am mafia?

I believe he knows I am on to him being alive still and by claiming a role that's still alive poses 2 things. Either A people believe him and vote me off, or B he is trying to get the real Dr to come forward and say no he's not I am.

The last few games Kyo has been voted off very early. ANd normally he is putting out a lot of information. Yet this game he is tunneling me....Still have no clue why. It's not his game play and it's hard for me to believe him to be a cit.

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I think you might be tunneling him a bit as well. I mean, you're pretty certain he's mafia, and when he claims Doctor, you don't even slow down. You're saying that the only way he can be certain of your role is because he's mafia, but couldn't he say the same obvious stuff about you? Nobody can argue against your gut feeling, but at the same time you seem to be ignoring the fact that if Kyo is actually the doctor, you're trying to bandwagon against the Doctor. You can be certain in your mind, but consider that there is a good percentage chance that you've guessed wrong.

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How many times do I have to have a secret rendezvous with your mom before you realize we have something special?

Also if by some chance I am wrong then I am. But him claiming Dr will only get himself killed. and is no help to us in the ladder portions of this game.

If he is bluffing I recommend the real DR DO NOT COME OUT!!!!!! under no circumstances.

Why he would risk getting killed by coming out? Think about it everyone?

If everyone feels like we need an info Lynch then by all means vote for me. Just remember 2 things.....1 am a cit and 2 read what I have posted and look at patterns from other games. Neither of their play style is the same

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The above would be why I'm still alive. With broiler dead, the logical thought should've been to drum a lynch against me, which is what you've been insinuating by this "why am I still alive" talk. Hence, doctor claim.

Bernek, until you die and prove me otherwise, I am pretty sure that you're mafia. The guy I've been pushing for all game is still alive while literally everyone else who is in a same sentence as me has died?

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He isn't the cop so the only way he would know my role is if he was Mafia.

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When earlier you said

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And I will push for a player if I believe him to be Mafia scum.

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Where's your strong push against revenger or myself?

YOU haven't answered MY question.

Why haven't you voted for me if you think I'm surefire mafia yet?

Stop contradicting yourself.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:

Also if by some chance I am wrong then I am. But him claiming Dr will only get himself killed. and is no help to us in the ladder portions of this game.

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It is completely possible that he is not the doctor, and is also a citizen.

EDIT: The new rules allow you to try and set up plays for the later rounds. I can think of a couple reasons to lie about it as a citizen.

Consider that the Doctor can save himself. Thus setting up a bluff, double bluff scenario with the mafia.

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Originally posted by Kyosukee:

On a side note, I'm suspicious of Jazaray. Hili, earlier you asked if there was a strong push on anyone besides bernek to show that someone is trying to keep him alive, and jazz throws a "random" vote on someone with one tally to keep it a tie game here. Furthermore, side conversation with revenger is a good way to keep involved without actually chiming in too many new thoughts and "stick your neck" out there.

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Makes sense, but I know that Jaz is one of the people who ends up getting a lot of heat (sometimes unjustly). It's possible she's using the side bar with Revenger to stay out of harm's way. Role or not.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
If Kyo is truly the Dr why come out and claim the role when there was no suspicion thrown his way. He hasn't been threatened with a lynch to make a plea not to go to the Gallows.

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In the one game I did live super long where I wasn't wolf, I was super aggressive too. This is just how I play. The one time I wasn't super aggressive, funnily, was when I was wolf.

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He isn't the cop so the only way he would know my role is if he was Mafia.

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SO what is his obsession to believe I am mafia?

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I already explained when I first voted for you, you were pushing a little too hard for revenger, which piqued my interest.

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I believe he knows I am on to him being alive still and by claiming a role that's still alive poses 2 things.

Stop. THis right here should be more than enough for anyone who is not myself or Bernek to come to a sensible conclusion about who Bernek is if we assume I am telling the truth about being Doctor. He is on to me for being alive still, yet he is not voting for me, further keeping me alive?.

[quote]The last few games Kyo has been voted off very early. ANd normally he is putting out a lot of information. Yet this game he is tunneling me....Still have no clue why. It's not his game play and it's hard for me to believe him to be a cit.

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You clearly don't remember the game that I super tunneled MAB then. Either that, or you're just grasping at straws.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:

I think an explanation is more than needed at this point in the game.

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I'm fairly sure that I think you may be mafia, good enough? Sorry folks I have not had a lot of time to make thoughtful ideas.

Jaz's posts seem off this game, dunno. I took some time to actually read the thread, Kyo is claiming doc? Hmmm, and he also is suspicious of Jaz. Vote still stands for Bernek for reasons unknown.

Vote: hilikus

I know I was wrong about Nder, but I wasn't as that certain. Hilikus is floating so far under the radar that I know something has to be up.

SIDENOTE - we really need votes in on time. I know I've missed two votes but with the game rolling there is no real excuse to miss a vote, even if it's just a placeholder vote we need to see how people react to votes and try to feel out the rest of these players.