I went to the starcity event here in Ft worth this last weekend. They believe that the term conservative print run is a misnomer. they said to picture it like this that If there are usually 3 waves of shipping on a product like Innistrad this one will only be 1 wave.

A LOT of shops are not being very truthful at least around here on how much product they are getting. Most are getting more then you or I expected. The idea of it being hard to find I believe will be inaccurate, what will be hard to find is it at MSRP.

Wizards is probably planning for 6k players at Las Vegas as they have stated that they will not run out of product. They are running sealed and draft. let that sink in for a moment, 3 packs per draft, 5/6 per sealed pool only 24 packs per box. (24k packs will get opened, assume it is still 8 packs per mythic even though it is not confirmed if that remains the same, 3k mythics will be opened, 200 Tarmogoyfs will be opened) Plus this is a multiple day event. A LOT OF PRODUCT IS GOING TO GET OPENED.

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Originally posted by slurpee:
Someone posted I think on mtgsalvation that the average rare value was like 6.09 per pack.

I went to the starcity event here in Ft worth this last weekend. They believe that the term conservative print run is a misnomer. they said to picture it like this that If there are usually 3 waves of shipping on a product like Innistrad this one will only be 1 wave.

A LOT of shops are not being very truthful at least around here on how much product they are getting. Most are getting more then you or I expected. The idea of it being hard to find I believe will be inaccurate, what will be hard to find is it at MSRP.

Wizards is probably planning for 6k players at Las Vegas as they have stated that they will not run out of product. They are running sealed and draft. let that sink in for a moment, 3 packs per draft, 5/6 per sealed pool only 24 packs per box. (24k packs will get opened, assume it is still 8 packs per mythic even though it is not confirmed if that remains the same, 3k mythics will be opened, 200 Tarmogoyfs will be opened) Plus this is a multiple day event. A LOT OF PRODUCT IS GOING TO GET OPENED.

So ask yourself how rare really is this product and what kind of value will it really have...will it cause the values of cards to go down or just these versions to go up or down.

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Someone posted I think on mtgsalvation that the average rare value was like 6.09 per pack.

I went to the starcity event here in Ft worth this last weekend. They believe that the term conservative print run is a misnomer. they said to picture it like this that If there are usually 3 waves of shipping on a product like Innistrad this one will only be 1 wave.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
To me it sounds like the only concern is the price effect that this set might have on the cards. Unless there is a significant effect on the prices of cards like Tarmogoyf and Dark Confidant and the other $25 stuff in there, it seems like the only factor that changes is the time it takes for sealed MM boxes to be rare enough to appreciate in value.

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Originally posted by dwiz:
I have to agree. There are many drafts throughout the weekend at vegas too, at $30 each. Plus a FREE mini-master for ALL grand prix participants. MM sealed besides the main event a couple of times also. An associate says he's getting 75 boxes and winked. I figure he's probably getting around 3-4 times that. We'll know when he's doing $50 drafts in 3 years with sealed MM.

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Originally posted by slurpee:
A LOT OF PRODUCT IS GOING TO GET OPENED.

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Originally posted by slurpee:

Wizards is probably planning for 6k players at Las Vegas as they have stated that they will not run out of product.

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well if thats true they are way overplanning..no chance in hell they get 6000 players for the GP. i doubt they'll even get 2000. (they picked the worst weekend ever to hold a vegas event with EDC and WSOP going on at the same time)

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Originally posted by JensK:
on a side note, the MTGO Modern Master release events are equally expensive, so I guess there will be no price-crash online after all. THIRTY tickets for a draft! And you still have to shell out NINE tickets if you provide the product.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/05282013d

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I have been wondering how MM is going to affect MTGO prices. Since the product is only available for 2 weeks at $7/pack, I wonder if it's worth buying some to hang onto for a while? Very few people will have sealed packs online, I would imagine.

I'm also thinking about actually doing some of the drafts online. It seems like a great set to rare draft...

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Originally posted by riemann-zeta:
[B]well if thats true they are way overplanning..no chance in hell they get 6000 players for the GP. i doubt they'll even get 2000. (they picked the worst weekend ever to hold a vegas event with EDC and WSOP going on at the same time)

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There are two sides to that argument. Your not the first person to think it will be maybe 1400-2000. I've heard many top level judges say the same thing, for the same reasons.

The flip side is that I've also not heard of a single magic player in So-cal or even California that's not going, or wants to go, or is trying to go.

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
There are two sides to that argument. Your not the first person to think it will be maybe 1400-2000. I've heard many top level judges say the same thing, for the same reasons.

The flip side is that I've also not heard of a single magic player in So-cal or even California that's not going, or wants to go, or is trying to go.

That being said last I talked to people they were prepping for 3-4k just in case. But with pre-sales going on they may have a better guess of how many at this point. I do know they hired enough judges for 3k at least.

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GP Vegas won't be less than 2.500, feel free to quote me on that.

Biggest Set to release in the last decade, more prizes, events, free stuff than any other event to date.

No way this isn't the largest GP or hell the largest event WoTC has ever held.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
GP Vegas won't be less than 2.500, feel free to quote me on that.

Biggest Set to release in the last decade, more prizes, events, free stuff than any other event to date.

No way this isn't the largest GP or hell the largest event WoTC has ever held.

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I do agree with you I fall on the it will be huge side. I'm just surprised at the number of level 4+ judges (who have been too and worked many more GPs then me) who have said they expect it to be well under 2000, to the point where you start to think they may have a point.

Things against it are cost to play (higher then any other GP) location (easy to get to but no large local mtg community, and not on the East coast or Europe) the weekend (EDC, higher hotel cost and travel cost)

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:

I do agree with you I fall on the it will be huge side. I'm just surprised at the number of level 4+ judges (who have been too and worked many more GPs then me) who have said they expect it to be well under 2000, to the point where you start to think they may have a point.

Things against it are cost to play (higher then any other GP) location (easy to get to but no large local mtg community, and not on the East coast or Europe) the weekend (EDC, higher hotel cost and travel cost)

Then again if product is short (it is 2 weeks after release) and pack value keeps going up, then there could be a huge last min surge of people going.

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I am from the east coast and I personally know a handful of people from my area who are traveling out to Vegas to play in the GP as I am going out there myself with a friend and meeting 2 other friends out there. It's true that GP Modern Masters has cost going against it in terms of getting the number of people but keep in mind it's the only GP sealed for Modern Masters period so you will attact many people within the country and other people from Canada will make the trip. With that said, I expect this to be a 2,500 person event and up to possibly 3,000 people. With 3,000 people you are talking 750 boxes of Modern Masters being opened for the main event as each box has 24 packs and each person gets 6 packs for a sealed event and with the 4 modern masters booster draft side events all maxed out at 128 people is another 16 boxes per event plus they are giving out a total of 15 booster boxes of modern masters for the final 8 man draft. If those numbers hold out to be true you are looking at over 800 booster boxes of Modern Masters at GP Vegas opened or given out within the 2 days.

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Originally posted by mm1983:
I am from the east coast and I personally know a handful of people from my area who are traveling out to Vegas to play in the GP as I am going out there myself with a friend and meeting 2 other friends out there. It's true that GP Modern Masters has cost going against it in terms of getting the number of people but keep in mind it's the only GP sealed for Modern Masters period so you will attact many people within the country and other people from Canada will make the trip. With that said, I expect this to be a 2,500 person event and up to possibly 3,000 people. With 3,000 people you are talking 750 boxes of Modern Masters being opened for the main event as each box has 24 packs and each person gets 6 packs for a sealed event and with the 4 modern masters booster draft side events all maxed out at 128 people is another 16 boxes per event plus they are giving out a total of 15 booster boxes of modern masters for the final 8 man draft. If those numbers hold out to be true you are looking at over 800 booster boxes of Modern Masters at GP Vegas opened or given out within the 2 days.

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Originally posted by LordRelkin:
I don't know that I would believe 100% that some of these stores are getting 75+ boxes. We have had our location for 15 years and are very well connected in our area and we can't get that many and always pay cash up front. Doesn't mean its NOT doable, but I wouldnt be expecting stores to have that kind of quantity

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Local stores are looking at 30-50 range

walmart
toy's "r" us
kmart
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Originally posted by jbark:
curious will the chain department store get this product?

walmart
toy's "r" us
kmart
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if so it should be at MSRP $6.99 a pack right?

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None, unless your LGS is nice, disregard MSRP, as it's unlikely you'll get it for that.

Sure there are some who bought early and got a good price and are friends with their shops. Good for them, although I am tired of all of the bragging threads where their shop sold it to them for some cheap price only to hear that the person is going to resell it.