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AnimeSensei
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posted May 20, 2013 06:18 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for AnimeSensei Click Here to Email AnimeSensei Send a private message to AnimeSensei Click to send AnimeSensei an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Is preordering a MM booster box from my FLGS at $170 (which is MSRP for the packs inside; 24 x $7) a good deal?
 
edsillars
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posted May 20, 2013 06:23 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for edsillars Click Here to Email edsillars Send a private message to edsillars Click to send edsillars an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
At this point it seems like a very good deal.
 
dwiz
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Originally posted by edsillars:
At this point it seems like a very good deal.

It's a good deal since everyone else is paying more right now. Will you make $170 back on it? Probably not, unless you're selling the packs individually and not cracking them.

 
stab107
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I would buy as many as I could at $170. Within 6 months I think boxes will be $300ish. I can't get anything locally for less than $250 so it's too much risk in my area. But $170 is a great price.
 
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Gonna agree with previous posts, whether you want to crack em or resell, at that price if you want it for either reason grab it.
 
dwiz
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quote:
Originally posted by stab107:
I would buy as many as I could at $170. Within 6 months I think boxes will be $300ish. I can't get anything locally for less than $250 so it's too much risk in my area. But $170 is a great price.

Within 6 months they'll be on the 2nd or 3rd printing of it

Edit: I'll elaborate. We have 2 worthless cards and 2 high priced mythics spoiled. Chances of a certain mythic are 1:180 packs. So you're getting a Bob or Goyf every ~7 boxes (correct me if salvation's math is off). Speculation is out of control on this. Getting $12.5 a pack isn't crazy, but when people start mapping this, are people going to buy loose packs?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by dwiz on May 20, 2013]

 
stab107
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quote:
Originally posted by dwiz:
Within 6 months they'll be on the 2nd or 3rd printing of it

Edit: I'll elaborate. We have 2 worthless cards and 2 high priced mythics spoiled. Chances of a certain mythic are 1:180 packs. So you're getting a Bob or Goyf every ~7 boxes (correct me if salvation's math is off). Speculation is out of control on this. Getting $12.5 a pack isn't crazy, but when people start mapping this, are people going to buy loose packs?


My understanding is there will be two waves of product from one print run. The first wave arrives 7 June and the second approximately 3 weeks later. There will be only one printing, no second or third printing.

I agree with you that the speculation is ridiculously out of control, but with the higher price point you have to bet they are going to pack this set full of excellent stuff that people want. If it is only one limited printing in two waves these things will be off the shelves in 6 weeks or less and boxes will be that much more expensive.

edit: Grammar

[Edited 1 times, lastly by stab107 on May 20, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by stab107:
My understanding is there will be two waves of product from one print run. The first wave arrives 7 June and the second approximately 3 weeks later. There will be only one printing, no second or third printing.


That is correct. There will be initial wave+1 extra wave. No more after that.

 
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I can also pick up 1x at $170, anyone else have a guess on the peak price of the box?

I think it will be pushing $300 at some point near the end of this year.

I just plan on sitting on it, maybe drafting it eventually

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With a second wave there could be a small dip once the initial frenzy is over. But once it out of stock and if its a fun draft format, boxes will jump up pretty fast.
 
Helheimr
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Keep in mind that there is A LOT more Modern Masters than people think there is going to be; in Ontario most of the shops I've checked have said that they're getting more than enough to sell to everyone who wants a box as well as draft, with prices ranging from MSRP to ~$200.

The very unreasonably high prices are due to SCG doing what they do best.

 
gaeacradle
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Originally posted by Helheimr:
Keep in mind that there is A LOT more Modern Masters than people think there is going to be; in Ontario most of the shops I've checked have said that they're getting more than enough to sell to everyone who wants a box as well as draft, with prices ranging from MSRP to ~$200.

The very unreasonably high prices are due to SCG doing what they do best.


Except for SCG has a much bigger customer base than shops in Ontario. Maybe you should buy those boxes and sell them to people that are willing to pay close to $300 for them.

 
Mr.C
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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Except for SCG has a much bigger customer base than shops in Ontario. Maybe you should buy those boxes and sell them to people that are willing to pay close to $300 for them.

Point me in the direction of those people.

 
dwiz
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I know of a retailer that got 75 boxes.
 
SnapShot
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The big thing for me is that I know a lot of people are going to buy them and open then. Even though it will be one print run, and even though stores are getting a lot of boxes, the sealed product is still going to be worth money. Look at worldwake...had a regular print run like any other set...and even though it does have Jace in it...sealed product is stupid expensive now. I'd say more people will find sealed modern masters more relevant than sealed worldwake a year or two from now.
 
Helheimr
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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Except for SCG has a much bigger customer base than shops in Ontario. Maybe you should buy those boxes and sell them to people that are willing to pay close to $300 for them.

There's a massive amount of MtG players in the Toronto area, and Modern Master boxes are readily available from pretty much every store for pre-order, with a "limit" of 5 (but they say 10 is feasible). And I actually have already ordered the boxes and arranged to sell them, every 10 flips gets me 2 free boxes of Modern Masters; SCG's price is ridiculous but is creating artificial demand.

Why do you think they're listing at such as high price when they are likely receiving a massive amount of product, while meanwhile tons of people on various forums have confirmed being able to get the product at MRSP or near it from their LGSes.

Star City Games's #1 objective is to make money hand over fist from people who for some reason enjoy paying over 30%+ more on cards vs other retailers/eBay. They're selling chickens that lay golden eggs!

 
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quote:
Originally posted by dwiz:
I know of a retailer that got 75 boxes.

And that is all they get. No re-orders.

 
Helheimr
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Originally posted by JayC:
And that is all they get. No re-orders.

Retailers are getting a large initial bulk shipment to cover pre-orders and make sure they have a good supply of stock, then 4 opportunities for re-orders of Modern Masters. It's not just the amount straight up, there's going to be more afterwards. Every store here has said they'll have re-orders, even the ones that have been hush hush about their prices.

There is going to be PLENTY of Modern Masters available for everyone who wants it.

 
Koby
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This is so much fun to watch.

I wouldn't buy Modern Masters even on speculation for re-sale later on. Too much risk from only knowing 4 cards on an overpriced set.

 
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A lot more cards are now spoiled and most are decent money cards.

Boxes are pre-selling on eBay between $240-$275.

If you can get them for retail, its a great deal and easily worth their value, even if you open them.

 
Mr.C
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Originally posted by Koby:
This is so much fun to watch.

I wouldn't buy Modern Masters even on speculation for re-sale later on. Too much risk from only knowing 4 cards on an overpriced set.


Set is turning out pretty good, but I'm still not sold on boxes at over MSRP. I'd probably pay MSRP on a box at this point, but I haven't crunched the numbers. There's a foil in every pack, but there's only 24 packs.

 
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Hm. I've been thinking about this but haven't done any numbers at all. A lot of the rares are solid, it's really just the 5 stupid-dragons at mythic that sucks. I can get boxes for like $180 and it seems relatively risk-free (at least in the sense that I should be able to re-sell for at least $180, even if there ends up not being much profit). Just unsure if I want to pull the trigger but I will need to do it soon if I'm going to.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Bagbokk:
Hm. I've been thinking about this but haven't done any numbers at all. A lot of the rares are solid, it's really just the 5 stupid-dragons at mythic that sucks. I can get boxes for like $180 and it seems relatively risk-free (at least in the sense that I should be able to re-sell for at least $180, even if there ends up not being much profit). Just unsure if I want to pull the trigger but I will need to do it soon if I'm going to.

I would buy it, it doesn't seem like much of a risk and if nothing else, you can sit on it and it will probably end up going up

 
stab107
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Anything under $200 is worthwhile, IMO.
 
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I guess I'll buy a case at 175$CAD all-in/box from my LGS then
 

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