In most trades that people ask about on the trade/value forum where it involves original dual lands, if the piles are remotely close in value at the current time, the answer most people give is to take the duals (especially if they are blue).

I realize they are a 'safer' pile due to being on the Reserved list, but are they still good for medium to long term investment? After peeking around the spring of 2014, most Revised duals have fallen back down 10-20% (at least by TCG mid prices, which is what most people use here for valuation).

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Originally posted by superpup:
Curious on what the current thought is regarding Revised (and prior) dual lands future value.

In most trades that people ask about on the trade/value forum where it involves original dual lands, if the piles are remotely close in value at the current time, the answer most people give is to take the duals (especially if they are blue).

I realize they are a 'safer' pile due to being on the Reserved list, but are they still good for medium to long term investment? After peeking around the spring of 2014, most Revised duals have fallen back down 10-20% (at least by TCG mid prices, which is what most people use here for valuation).

Looking to see if people think that their current value is still a bubble that can further deflate, if they are at a price point where they belong and will hold steady, or if there really is room for their prices to rise much more...

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well, price memory is real when it comes to reserve list cards. the problem is even scg has changed their support of legacy. i used to travel for Legacy Opens and would now even if i wasn't going to play standard...but many of us don't care enough to travel for the premier IQ. Since the shift by SCG our legacy scene locally died after the January open in indy. i mean everyone just stopped showing up. they love the legacy format but just weren't willing to spend the time playing since there were no events to practice for.

it'll be interesting to see if people play more over the next 3 weeks b/c of the bannings and SCG st louis approaching. that being said, i do consider duals a good growth option. i dont expect them to go down lower than they are now but i also dont expect any growth until they

a) do a legacy masters
b) print zen fetches on a scale of the khans fetches

the past year i think the khans fetches have propped up legacy a little as more people have tried to get in with easier access to khans fetches but that has been offset by less legacy support.

i have about 105-110 dual lands and i'm actually about to put up about 20 for sell.

edit: copying from a fb post i made yesterday:

Here are some pics
http://imgur.com/8c0bIIU
http://imgur.com/oDvnLGb
http://imgur.com/qylf6Zi

many of the ones i'm letting go are MP and Includes all duals except tundra and badlands i don't expect to get rid of...though i might could get rid of an fbb badlands and a mint still in package tundra but that would take something special

3ish underground sea (may get rid of a revised bgs 8 too)
1 volcanic island (hp)
2ish tropical island plus and unlimited bgs graded ex one
1 bayou
2 taiga signed
2ish scrubland
2-3ish savannah
2ish plateau

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Originally posted by mm1983:
Duals will always hold value simply due to the collectors value alone. Cards only get older and just get harder to find, especially ones that are mint or near mint condition. I will always buy or trade for duals if I come across the right deal but I'm mostly interested in mint/nm fbb duals anymore.

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You don't think these fakes have affected the market for dual lands though?

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Originally posted by chaos021:
You don't think these fakes have affected the market for dual lands though?

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Originally posted by Mr.C:
Not yet. Soon, though.

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Collectors are still going to pay for the real thing because that's the whole point.

Fairly sure this is an issue that is overcome in...well...just about every other single hobby on earth. Art, Automobiles, Coins, Antiques of all kinds, etc, etc. to say otherwise is just fear - your own to justify your sell off, or your attempt to induce it - perhaps with self serving interest to buy.

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Originally posted by JayC:
Collectors are still going to pay for the real thing because that's the whole point.

Fairly sure this is an issue that is overcome in...well...just about every other single hobby on earth. Art, Automobiles, Coins, Antiques of all kinds, etc, etc. to say otherwise is just fear - your own to justify your sell off, or your attempt to induce it - perhaps with self serving interest to buy.

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People would buy the real McCoy, you say? Shocking news.

The point is that this an issue that gets solved going forward. I've never seen any of those other hobbies fix it going backwards in terms of releases, except to have things authenticated.

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Originally posted by JayC:
Collectors are still going to pay for the real thing because that's the whole point.

Fairly sure this is an issue that is overcome in...well...just about every other single hobby on earth. Art, Automobiles, Coins, Antiques of all kinds, etc, etc. to say otherwise is just fear - your own to justify your sell off, or your attempt to induce it - perhaps with self serving interest to buy.

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Collectors aren't buying Revised duals.

Comparing mass produced cards to Art, Autos, Coins and Antiques is laughable.

You want to get stuff that will retain value after "good enough" counterfeits crater the market (or Wizards has a ****ty year and repeals the Reprint Policy)? Get Beta NM. Still pretty affordable. Maybe Unlimited too.

Edit: There were 289,000 Revised duals printed in English, and a bunch more in French/Italian/German.

There is nothing with a run of 200k+ in any collectible category that commands insane prices.

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Originally posted by mm1983:
A print run of 289,000 total English revised duals means there are 7,225 40 sets of English revised duals out there. Not saying that 7,225 people have a 40 set of revised duals but would it be safe to say that roughly 2,000 people in the world might own a 40 set of revised duals?

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Originally posted by mm1983:
A print run of 289,000 total English revised duals means there are 7,225 40 sets of English revised duals out there. Not saying that 7,225 people have a 40 set of revised duals but would it be safe to say that roughly 2,000 people in the world might own a 40 set of revised duals?

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http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/026438.html

Except Volcanic Island which has no alpha there are this mean of EACH dual:

1100 alpha
3200 beta
18,500 unlimited
289,000 revised english
probably around 50 summer
fwb - anyone know?
fbb - anyone know?

5,000 IE
10,000 CE

so if you add up a/b/u/r that's about 311,800 of each dual NOT counting fwb/fbb
so about 3,118,800 duals PLUS fwb and fbb which could add another 300,000 of each dual a guess making a wild assumption that there are as much fwb/fbb combined when you add up every language - this coud be way under or over)
so there could have been anywhere from 3.2 million total duals printed all the way up to 6million or more depending on how many foreign duals were printed.

Then subtract whatever guess you want on how many duals have been damaged/destroyed in the past 20 years and you have how many duals are available now (some are still in sealed product)

bonus points for me: here are the names of all the duals in each foreign language

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/026495.html