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Originally posted by Myy:
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Liq, Coinmagic, Legendary ferret and WCFmo, Please send lat minute List to Yaku for V5CB if you still haven't, thank you.

Any1 else interested is also welcomed to join

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I have a very very late deck...lol, afternoon the next day still counts right? LOL, I'm gonna get zero points again.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
So, perfect fit sleeves. Those who use these, what are the benefits and reasons to do so? Are there multiple brands available or just one company? Where's a cheap place to pick them up online?

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they make it allot harder for small-handed people to shuffle decks.

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Originally posted by junichi:
I am well aware of the cost of standard, and that is part of the reason why I sold all my standard stuff not long ago to fund my vintage wants. The rotation loss every year is indeed annoying, but it is not hard to mitigate that loss with careful planning.

About half a year ago, a dealer offered to buy my standard deck for $700, and at that moment, I realized I could've easily spend those money on vintage instead, and get back to the format I used to play before I quit eons ago.

Now, looking back at standard after half a year, I can't say standard is the most ridiculous cost format anymore. Yeah, you still have an $80 card in the format, but everything else is relatively cheap.

I don't think you understand what I was talking about. I am more concerned about the growth of the format, than the cards being able to keep value.

True story. The biggest LGS in Vancouver started to run full proxy legacy tournament every week just to keep interest in the format. Why? Because people who jumped onto the legacy boat awhile ago has the staples already, and they don't need to buy from the store to put a deck together, while people who wanted to join in can't afford to buy from the store due to the high "get in" fees. Does this remind you of a format that used to be popular but eventually died due to a high "get in" cost?

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Argument is invalid, in vintage you need a strong portion of P9 to be competitive, 5 pieces of power at say 300 each is $1500.

You can play a goblin deck with a splash, the badlands + wastes + Piledrivers + lackey's shouldn't cost you the price of 2 pieces of power.

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
The problem comparing Legacy to Vintage is that in Vintage the staples, namely Power and Workshop and Bazaar were printed in relatively small amounts when compared to Legacy staples. You don't need a playset of every dual to play Legacy. You can get by with 1 Taiga for Belcher, 2 each of Taiga, Savannah, and Plateau with some $9 Zen fetches for Zoo.

Yes, Force is expensive. It's good. Yes, Wasteland is expensive. It's good. Everyone has been talking about Legacy being the place to be for a good 2 years at least.

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Powers are still expensive and are printed in a relatively small amount, but you also don't need to run 4 of each P9s. Of course, vintage still trumps all others in terms of cost, but with the way Legacy is pushing, the gap has definitely shortened.

At the end of the day, is all about money, and the cost to get into Legacy now is kind of absurd, considered you need to dish out $550+ just for a set of wastelands and FoW.

The format will not die in a sudden death, but I don't doubt WoTC will look for ways to ease the craziness, one way or another.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Argument is invalid, in vintage you need a strong portion of P9 to be competitive, 5 pieces of power at say 300 each is $1500.

You can play a goblin deck with a splash, the badlands + wastes + Piledrivers + lackey's shouldn't cost you the price of 2 pieces of power.

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Originally posted by junichi:
Powers are still expensive and are printed in a relatively small amount, but you also don't need to run 4 of each P9s. Of course, vintage still trumps all others in terms of cost, but with the way Legacy is pushing, the gap has definitely shortened.

At the end of the day, is all about money, and the cost to get into Legacy now is kind of absurd, considered you need to dish out $550+ just for a set of wastelands and FoW.

The format will not die in a sudden death, but I don't doubt WoTC will look for ways to ease the craziness, one way or another.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WeedIan:
Argument is invalid, in vintage you need a strong portion of P9 to be competitive, 5 pieces of power at say 300 each is $1500.

You can play a goblin deck with a splash, the badlands + wastes + Piledrivers + lackey's shouldn't cost you the price of 2 pieces of power.

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I love that deck...so funny considering what Vintage usually does..

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Originally posted by -PoX-:
The way to fix Legacy forever is to print more duals.

Make your opponent gain a life when they come into play. There. Problem solved.

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This is a quote from an article on CF today:
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/traderous-instinct-examining-the-legacy-bump-part-2/

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Originally posted by Chas Andres:

Wizards of the Coast will attempt to do something about this – True

If you follow Aaron Forsythe on Twitter, you already know that the long term viability of Legacy is very much on the WOTC radar.
Last week, he asked his followers – specifically those who own a full playset of duals – how they’d feel about “snow duals” being printed in order to give Legacy players a new option. He also asked people for suggestions on other, potentially cheaper formats that WOTC could sanction – perhaps not in lieu of Legacy, but as another viable constructed alternative to Standard.

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But yeah, they could reprint FoW and Wasteland in future sets as rares, which would make their prices drop dramatically.
At the prices they're at now, I'm tempted to sell mine even : D

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Originally posted by -PoX-:
I like how that article pretends banning duals is a serious possibility.

But yeah, they could reprint FoW and Wasteland in future sets as rares, which would make their prices drop dramatically.
At the prices they're at now, I'm tempted to sell mine even : D

Also what's up with 30$ Sword of Fire and Ice? Haha

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I doubt WoTC will ban duals. The best they can do is find replacement that would satisfy the legacy crowd while not screwing the standard scene.

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Originally posted by junichi:
I doubt WoTC will ban duals. The best they can do is find replacement that would satisfy the legacy crowd while not screwing the standard scene.

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Screw standard.

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Originally posted by joz:
Screw standard.

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The primary source of income for the company which makes the game we all play? Yeah, why would we ever need that. The hell with it.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
The primary source of income for the company which makes the game we all play? Yeah, why would we ever need that. The hell with it.

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I never said it was a good idea on my end...

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Originally posted by junichi:

Now, looking back at standard after half a year, I can't say standard is the most ridiculous cost format anymore. Yeah, you still have an $80 card in the format, but everything else is relatively cheap.

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I doubt WoTC will ban duals. The best they can do is find replacement that would satisfy the legacy crowd while not screwing the standard scene.

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
Reprinting duals isn't gonna do anything to standard in terms of power level. Just gonna be 20+ dollar rares

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Originally posted by caquaa:
its not hte cost of a single deck that is the issue. Sure, the best deck in the format includes Jace TMS, but as you pointed out, everything else is relatively cheap. The biggest thing that makes standard expensive is how it evolves and changes. Prior to caw-blade the big deck was u/b control. Before that it was something w/ frost titans (u/w?). So you go drop $20 ea on frost titans, then the meta shifts and you go drop $30 ea on grave titans, now the meta shifts again and you go drop $20 ea on 2x sword and 4x stoneforge. Now RUG is rising in popularity again, do you go buy up cobras? That is what makes standard expensive. You literally just have to have everything. Legacy you can pick a deck and the format is open enough that the deck can get there. Standard usually has a best deck and if you aren't playing it, you aren't winning.

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There are some truth in this, but not entirely. Even in legacy, the meta is constantly shifting that people often have to acquire new cards to adjust. Just like Survival was hot months ago, and everyone was trying to get a set and jump onto the bandwagon. Right now, the current new favorite is High Tide with Candelabra.

One could say legacy is just too good of a format, and everyone wants a slice of the cake, but there are only so much cake to share, and what we are having now is probably the aftermath of the reserved list.

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Originally posted by junichi:

Same argument can be said with Unfair Bear in vintage.

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I've never heard of this deck, though i don't play vintage anymore.

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Originally posted by joz:
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Originally posted by dwiz:
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Originally posted by joz:
my space bar is brokan

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