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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Maybe I misread, but it sounds like he's saying that neither one of the traders get to see what ref was left for them, until both ref checkers are filled out. So there is no chance for retaliatory refs. The way it is right now, people can do that.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by nderdog:
The problem with this is retaliatory refs make this type of system less likely to have honest feedback. If I give someone the 3 that they deserve for various problems, it also means that I am more likely to get a 3 back out of spite, so rather than opting not to bother with a ref from someone who's likely to be banned sooner or later, I have to risk a bad ref from an unhappy trader or lie and make them sound like a good trader?

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Originally posted by junichi:
/Facepalm

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Me offering 120 for 4 LEDs is fine Don't taze me bro!

In other news, what's a good price to offer up for a Players Reward Wasteland? I want to grab one asap (after i check that i don't have one in my cube)

Examples of cards made by players:

Voidmage Prodigy
Gemstone Caverns
Shadowmage Infilitrator

Did wotc stop this all togeather?

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Originally posted by revenger:
Do they still do the player invitational cards where the player makes the card for an up and coming set to be realsed in?

Examples of cards made by players:

Voidmage Prodigy
Gemstone Caverns
Shadowmage Infilitrator

Did wotc stop this all togeather?

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Wotc cancelled the Invitational tournament a few years back (claiming budgetary concerns). There is one winner that hasn't had a card made yet iirc, but that is the last one planned. (Ranger of Eos is the most recent one printed - Antione Ruel)

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Originally posted by wayne:
Oh joy, I'm up to a playset of Platinum Emperions.

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If you're willing to break it, I'm interested in 1.

I originally based it off Tom LaPiles back 3 or 4 years ago

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlHIOoL0opWbdEVvM3dpQXFVYXZDSGlWbGlXNEM4NHc&hl=en&authkey=C

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Originally posted by airwalk:
Is it acceptable to re-use Bubble Envelopes?

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I'd just buy some. Worst comes to worst, dollar store sells packs of 3 for $1.

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Originally posted by Mr.C:
I'd just buy some. Worst comes to worst, dollar store sells packs of 3 for $1.

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It's not the price that bothers me, it's this huge bag of used bubble wrappers I don't want to toss in the garbage.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
I've published my cube via Google Docs for any suggestions.

I originally based it off Tom LaPiles back 3 or 4 years ago

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlHIOoL0opWbdEVvM3dpQXFVYXZDSGlWb GlXNEM4NHc&hl=en&authkey=C

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Here are my suggestions:

WHITE:

- Divine Sacrament
- Exile
- Glory
- Honor of the Pure
- Parallax Wave
- Sacred Mesa
- Shining Shoal
- Wing Shards
- White Sun's Zenith

- Blinding Angel
- Crovax, Ascendant Hero
- Knight of the White Orchid
- Order of the White Shield
- Order of Leitbur

+ Temporal Isolation
+ Spectral Procession
+ Journey to Nowhere
+ Martial Coup
+ Mirror Entity
+ Soltari Trooper
+ Mirror Entity
+ Mirran Crusader
+ Kor Sanctifiers
+ Cloudgoat Ranger
+ Karmic Guide
+ Kor Skyfisher
+ Glorious Anthem
+ Sun Titan

BLUE:

+ Looter il-Kor
+ Aether Adept
+ Kira, Glass Spinner
+ Draining Whelk
+ Sphinx of Jwar Isle
+ Into the Roil
+ Remand
+ Bribery
+ Compulsive Research
+ Cryptic Command
+ Deep Analysis
+ Jace, the Mind Sculptor
+ Miscalculation
+ Preordain

- Trinket Mage
- Braingeyser
- Vesuvan Doppelganger
- Intuition
- Gush
- Hinder
- Memory Lapse
- Mystical Teachings
- Legacy's Allure
- Dissipate
- Pact of Negation
- Tezzeret the Seeker
- Tidings
- Twincast

BLACK:

+ Carnophage
+ Nezumi Graverobber
+ Lilian's Specter
+ Vampire Nighthawk
+ Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
+ Barter in Blood
+ Consuming Vapors
+ Doom Blade
+ Go for the Throat
+ Makeshift Mannequin
+ Necromancy
+ Night's Whisper
+ Profane Command
+ Sarcomancy
+ Snuff Out
+ Vampire Hexmage
+ Oona's Prowler
+ Dauthi Horror

- Bad Moon
- Consume Spirit
- Death Cloud
- Drain Life
- Persecute
- Mutilate
- Phyrexian Reclamation
- Ribbons of Night
- Tendrils of Corruption
- Cadaver Imp
- Korlash, Heir to Blackblade
- Laquatus's Champion
- Nightscape Familiar
- Order of the Ebon Hand
- Phyrexian Negator
- Stromgald Crusader
- Undead Gladiator
- Zombie Cutthroat

RED:

- Devastating Summons
- Fork
- Genju of the Spires
- Fanning the Flames
- Jokulhaups
- Obliterate
- Pulse of the Forge
- Reckless Charge
- Recoup
- Red Elemental Blast
- Seething Song
- Anger
- Ball Lightning
- Fireslinger
- Ghitu Slinger
- Goblin Welder
- Martyr of Ashes
- Mogg War Marshal
- Sulfur Elemental

+ Blood Knight
+ Ember Hauler
+ Hellspark Elemental
+ Hell's Thunder
+ Manic Vandal
+ Avalanche Riders
+ Goblin Ruinblaster
+ Siege-Gang Commander
+ Hellkite Charger
+ Aftershock
+ Arc Lightning
+ Burst Lightning
+ Comet Storm
+ Firebolt
+ Koth of the Hammer
+ Molten Rain
+ Slagstorm
+ Staggershock
+ Fire Imp

GREEN:

- Farseek
- Moldervine Cloak
- Moment's Peace
- Worldly TUtor
- Pattern of Rebirth
- Arashi, the Sky Asunder
- Basking Rootwalla
- Brooding Saurian
- Iwamori of the Open Fist
- Quirion Dryad
- Roar of the Wurm
- Scute Mob
- Silvos, Rogue Elemental
- Spike Feeder
- Wood Elves

+ Fyndhorn Elves
+ Noble Hierarch
+ Pouncing Jaguar
+ Wall of Roots
+ Albino Troll
+ Great Sable Stag
+ Virdian Shaman
+ Yavimaya Elder
+ Phantom Centaur
+ Wickerbough Elder
+ Acidic Slime
+ Creepign Mold
+ Cultivate
+ Thrun, the Last Troll
+ Joraga Treespeaker

ARTIFACTS:

- Aether Vial
- Gauntlet of Power
- Goblin Charbelcher
- Bosh
- Etched Oracle
- Metalworker
- Pentavus
- Platinum Angel
- Tetravus
- Gilded Lotus
- Lotus Bloom
- Basilik Collar
- Sword of Vengeance
- Thran Dynamo
- Lotus Petal
- Crucible of Worlds

+ Wurmcoil Engine
+ Crystal Shard
+ Erratic Portal
+ Sword of Feast and Famine
+ Lodestone Golem
+ Triskelion
+ Chimeric Mass
+ Grafted Wargear
+ Mana Vault
+ Mind Stone
+ Phyrexian Revoker
+ Pithing Needle
+ Smokestack
+ Prismatic Lens
+ Phyrexian Processor

MULTICOLORED:

- Augury Adept
- Iridescent Angel

+ Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
+ Wall of Denial

- Undermine
+ Agony Warp

- Rakdos Guildmage

+ Bituminous Blast
+ Blightning

- Burning-Tree Shaman
- Tattermunge Maniac
+ Boggart Ram-Gang

- Armadillo Cloak
- Gaddock Teeg
- Watchwolf

+ Qasali Pridemage

- Death Grasp
- Gerrard's Verdict

+ Stillmoon Cavalier

- Firemane Angel

- Suffocating Blast
+ Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind

- Overbeing of Myth
+ Simic Sky Swallower

- Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
- Keldon Megaliths
- Cabal Coffers

Some quick notes:

You have WAY too many cards that work well in monocolor or decks that minimally splash a second color. Don't do that. Most decks will be solidly two colors, just like draft, and cards like Korlash aren't as good in such a format. Similarly, Glorious Anthem is WAY better than Divine Sacrament, because it allows you to play something like W/r and Glorious Anthem makes your Avalanche Riders a 3/3 haste guy.

You should play more of the "protection from {color}" guys that don't cost WW or BB. Great Sable Stag, Mirran Crusader, and Stillmoon Cavalier all shine because they have protection from two colors and are great against people playing one color and amazing against anyone playing both.

You have too many "draw X cards" in blue. I didn't cut the Aeon Chronicler, but I don't run in any longer. At a certain point, you just don't need to be drawing a huge amount of cards, since that doesn't always help you win. You need more of the early card drawers that help you out in a bind, can be played along with other spells, and come out faster. Similarly, in white, for a CHEAPER cost than Wing Shards or Parallax Wave, you can play cards like Journey to Nowhere that makes a target creature go away. It's really helpful for cards like Meloku or Fauna Shaman that your opponent may never even attack with.

In general, you aren't playing enough aggro cards to support aggressive strategies; I've suggested you run more 1 and 2-drops with 2 power.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
Is it acceptable to re-use Bubble Envelopes?

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Originally posted by airwalk:
It's not the price that bothers me, it's this huge bag of used bubble wrappers I don't want to toss in the garbage.

Maybe I'll save them for when I move and use them as packing insulation.

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He's ask for only 37 dollars less than what its worth if selling it individually.

Do people not want to move their lots anymore or have they just become that stupid?

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
Here are my suggestions:

WHITE:

- Divine Sacrament
- Exile
- Glory
- Honor of the Pure
- Parallax Wave
- Sacred Mesa
- Shining Shoal
- Wing Shards
- White Sun's Zenith

- Blinding Angel
- Crovax, Ascendant Hero
- Knight of the White Orchid
- Order of the White Shield
- Order of Leitbur

+ Temporal Isolation
+ Spectral Procession
+ Journey to Nowhere
+ Martial Coup
+ Mirror Entity
+ Soltari Trooper
+ Mirror Entity
+ Mirran Crusader
+ Kor Sanctifiers
+ Cloudgoat Ranger
+ Karmic Guide
+ Kor Skyfisher
+ Glorious Anthem
+ Sun Titan

BLUE:

+ Looter il-Kor
+ Aether Adept
+ Kira, Glass Spinner
+ Draining Whelk
+ Sphinx of Jwar Isle
+ Into the Roil
+ Remand
+ Bribery
+ Compulsive Research
+ Cryptic Command
+ Deep Analysis
+ Jace, the Mind Sculptor
+ Miscalculation
+ Preordain

- Trinket Mage
- Braingeyser
- Vesuvan Doppelganger
- Intuition
- Gush
- Hinder
- Memory Lapse
- Mystical Teachings
- Legacy's Allure
- Dissipate
- Pact of Negation
- Tezzeret the Seeker
- Tidings
- Twincast

BLACK:

+ Carnophage
+ Nezumi Graverobber
+ Lilian's Specter
+ Vampire Nighthawk
+ Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
+ Barter in Blood
+ Consuming Vapors
+ Doom Blade
+ Go for the Throat
+ Makeshift Mannequin
+ Necromancy
+ Night's Whisper
+ Profane Command
+ Sarcomancy
+ Snuff Out
+ Vampire Hexmage
+ Oona's Prowler
+ Dauthi Horror

- Bad Moon
- Consume Spirit
- Death Cloud
- Drain Life
- Persecute
- Mutilate
- Phyrexian Reclamation
- Ribbons of Night
- Tendrils of Corruption
- Cadaver Imp
- Korlash, Heir to Blackblade
- Laquatus's Champion
- Nightscape Familiar
- Order of the Ebon Hand
- Phyrexian Negator
- Stromgald Crusader
- Undead Gladiator
- Zombie Cutthroat

RED:

- Devastating Summons
- Fork
- Genju of the Spires
- Fanning the Flames
- Jokulhaups
- Obliterate
- Pulse of the Forge
- Reckless Charge
- Recoup
- Red Elemental Blast
- Seething Song
- Anger
- Ball Lightning
- Fireslinger
- Ghitu Slinger
- Goblin Welder
- Martyr of Ashes
- Mogg War Marshal
- Sulfur Elemental

+ Blood Knight
+ Ember Hauler
+ Hellspark Elemental
+ Hell's Thunder
+ Manic Vandal
+ Avalanche Riders
+ Goblin Ruinblaster
+ Siege-Gang Commander
+ Hellkite Charger
+ Aftershock
+ Arc Lightning
+ Burst Lightning
+ Comet Storm
+ Firebolt
+ Koth of the Hammer
+ Molten Rain
+ Slagstorm
+ Staggershock
+ Fire Imp

GREEN:

- Farseek
- Moldervine Cloak
- Moment's Peace
- Worldly TUtor
- Pattern of Rebirth
- Arashi, the Sky Asunder
- Basking Rootwalla
- Brooding Saurian
- Iwamori of the Open Fist
- Quirion Dryad
- Roar of the Wurm
- Scute Mob
- Silvos, Rogue Elemental
- Spike Feeder
- Wood Elves

+ Fyndhorn Elves
+ Noble Hierarch
+ Pouncing Jaguar
+ Wall of Roots
+ Albino Troll
+ Great Sable Stag
+ Virdian Shaman
+ Yavimaya Elder
+ Phantom Centaur
+ Wickerbough Elder
+ Acidic Slime
+ Creepign Mold
+ Cultivate
+ Thrun, the Last Troll
+ Joraga Treespeaker

ARTIFACTS:

- Aether Vial
- Gauntlet of Power
- Goblin Charbelcher
- Bosh
- Etched Oracle
- Metalworker
- Pentavus
- Platinum Angel
- Tetravus
- Gilded Lotus
- Lotus Bloom
- Basilik Collar
- Sword of Vengeance
- Thran Dynamo
- Lotus Petal
- Crucible of Worlds

+ Wurmcoil Engine
+ Crystal Shard
+ Erratic Portal
+ Sword of Feast and Famine
+ Lodestone Golem
+ Triskelion
+ Chimeric Mass
+ Grafted Wargear
+ Mana Vault
+ Mind Stone
+ Phyrexian Revoker
+ Pithing Needle
+ Smokestack
+ Prismatic Lens
+ Phyrexian Processor

MULTICOLORED:

- Augury Adept
- Iridescent Angel

+ Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
+ Wall of Denial

- Undermine
+ Agony Warp

- Rakdos Guildmage

+ Bituminous Blast
+ Blightning

- Burning-Tree Shaman
- Tattermunge Maniac
+ Boggart Ram-Gang

- Armadillo Cloak
- Gaddock Teeg
- Watchwolf

+ Qasali Pridemage

- Death Grasp
- Gerrard's Verdict

+ Stillmoon Cavalier

- Firemane Angel

- Suffocating Blast
+ Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind

- Overbeing of Myth
+ Simic Sky Swallower

- Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
- Keldon Megaliths
- Cabal Coffers

Some quick notes:

You have WAY too many cards that work well in monocolor or decks that minimally splash a second color. Don't do that. Most decks will be solidly two colors, just like draft, and cards like Korlash aren't as good in such a format. Similarly, Glorious Anthem is WAY better than Divine Sacrament, because it allows you to play something like W/r and Glorious Anthem makes your Avalanche Riders a 3/3 haste guy.

You should play more of the "protection from {color}" guys that don't cost WW or BB. Great Sable Stag, Mirran Crusader, and Stillmoon Cavalier all shine because they have protection from two colors and are great against people playing one color and amazing against anyone playing both.

You have too many "draw X cards" in blue. I didn't cut the Aeon Chronicler, but I don't run in any longer. At a certain point, you just don't need to be drawing a huge amount of cards, since that doesn't always help you win. You need more of the early card drawers that help you out in a bind, can be played along with other spells, and come out faster. Similarly, in white, for a CHEAPER cost than Wing Shards or Parallax Wave, you can play cards like Journey to Nowhere that makes a target creature go away. It's really helpful for cards like Meloku or Fauna Shaman that your opponent may never even attack with.

In general, you aren't playing enough aggro cards to support aggressive strategies; I've suggested you run more 1 and 2-drops with 2 power.

If you want more specific comments on any cards, let me know.

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I've messaged you already on this, but i'm Also looking to expand each color to have 85 cards and also expan the multicolored to 6 or 7 cards per slot, I am going to add a page I have of cards in waiting like the 5 Titans I will add when i get them.

Some cards i will keep in for Nostalgia like Vesuvan Doppleganger even though it isn't as strong as it once was.

I like having Cadevar imp in there as a 2nd chance to grab Gravedigger which is very strong

Isn't Zombie Cutthroat still one of the best draft cards ever because it can be put in any color deck?

And also with the critiquing my list of Buy cards is kicking in the T&V to add to the cube.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/083944.html

He's ask for only 37 dollars less than what its worth if selling it individually.

Do people not want to move their lots anymore or have they just become that stupid?

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Some cards i will keep in for Nostalgia like Vesuvan Doppleganger even though it isn't as strong as it once was.

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Okay; it's not the end of the world and you're free to personalize your cube as you see fit.

The problem with cards like Cadaver Imp and Gravedigger is that the body needs to be worth the recursion. Eternal Witness is both efficient AND gets back any card, not just creatures. Karmic Guide gets a creature back into play AND it comes with a 2/2 body. There's a BIG difference between something like Mulldrifter (blue staple) and Anarchist (red unplayable).

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Isn't Zombie Cutthroat still one of the best draft cards ever because it can be put in any color deck?

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
Okay; it's not the end of the world and you're free to personalize your cube as you see fit.

The problem with cards like Cadaver Imp and Gravedigger is that the body needs to be worth the recursion. Eternal Witness is both efficient AND gets back any card, not just creatures. Karmic Guide gets a creature back into play AND it comes with a 2/2 body. There's a BIG difference between something like Mulldrifter (blue staple) and Anarchist (red unplayable).

Yes it is. But, this isn't really draft and while a 3/4 on turn three is good, this one requires 5 life, and the environment is still filled with bigger guys. Onslaught block drafts were filled with 2/2's, so a 3/4 managed to trump most of them. A 3/4 in cube isn't as intimidating. You can keep it in and it may not be bad, but I don't think it's worth inclusion over other better cards, particularly removal cards that you are missing.

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True, but i look at the 2 of them as being quite abusable so I leave them in.

I'm probably going to make a Cut/Sidelines portion of my Cube doc because when new cards come other cards could come back in and could go.

I also prefer it to be affordable and not blow my wad on cards that will drop after leaving standard so my cube is sometimes far behind (Titans, Jace 2.0)

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
True, but i look at the 2 of them as being quite abusable so I leave them in.

I'm probably going to make a Cut/Sidelines portion of my Cube doc because when new cards come other cards could come back in and could go.

I also prefer it to be affordable and not blow my wad on cards that will drop after leaving standard so my cube is sometimes far behind (Titans, Jace 2.0)

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Yeah, aside from stuff i get in draft, I keep about a year behind in terms of power rares cuz I don't want to burn of a lot of money on stuff that won't hold it's value.