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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Can't believe all the whinings people are doing about the Helvault. Unless you are paying extra for for a Helvault prerelease, stop complaining. All that stuff was free! You would have attend the prerelease whether or not the Helvault was there.

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Originally posted by Zakman86:
Someone on Salvation likened it to two siblings doing chores and one getting a chocolate bar while the other got $100. This is a good analogy.

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This is stupid. Only a select number of Advanced Level stores got the Premium Helvault, not half the stores in the US/Worldwide. This is more like winning a lottery that you didn't pay for (unless again, you were charged extra for Helvault prerelease).

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
This is stupid. Only a select number of Advanced Level stores got the Premium Helvault, not half the stores in the US/Worldwide. This is more like winning a lottery that you didn't pay for (unless again, you were charged extra for Helvault prerelease).

EVERYONE LOVES the Zendikar "treasure", and this is essentially the SAME THING! Only a few people get cool stuff, and the rest didn't get anything. So why are all the rage now? Civilization didn't decline that much in 3 years, did it?

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Originally posted by Zakman86:
There's a difference. When I open a Zendikar pack, I get 14 playable cards in that pack regardless; one might just happen to be a really cool old card. When one store opens a helvault, it gets some double-sided tokens, some dice, and some oversized generals, none of which are super playable; when another opens it, it gets Judge Promos that are playable, as well as foil tokens, which have only been done before once (Marit Lage). See the difference?

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Except for you paid for the playable cards with your prerelease cost. Helvault stuff were given out for free. That's why I said no one can complain unless they were charged more for a Helvault prerelease.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
Maybe you can't complain about "I got free stuff whahh" but I think you can definitely complain that you got a much lower grade of free stuff compared to others solely because you live in a smaller town / went to a smaller shop.

Better quality free things for the larger stores is a little offensive.

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Again...not all the Advanced stores are getting the Premium Helvault. Yes, it does suck that you didn't even get a CHANCE at the Premium Helvault if your store is not Advanced, but there are other perks that Advanced stores are getting and non-Advanced stores are not. But this is not a discussion about what are the benefits of Advanced vs. non-Advanced stores.

I woulda been ok with foil promos of the Powerpuff Girls, Avacyn, and Griselbrand. That woulda been great. Foil tokens woulda been great, cause hell, we've got plenty of other angel and demon tokens, and the doublesidedness isn't as useful it seems.
I would have rather got a Wurmcoil Engine or Hero of Bladehold.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Except for you paid for the playable cards with your prerelease cost. Helvault stuff were given out for free. That's why I said no one can complain unless they were charged more for a Helvault prerelease.

Again...not all the Advanced stores are getting the Premium Helvault. Yes, it does suck that you didn't even get a CHANCE at the Premium Helvault if your store is not Advanced, but there are other perks that Advanced stores are getting and non-Advanced stores are not. But this is not a discussion about what are the benefits of Advanced vs. non-Advanced stores.

So instead, let's focus only on the Advanced stores that didn't charge extra. It really boils down to: "I feel cheated that I didn't get a $100 bill (Demonic Tutor) even though it was for free anyway". Instead of appreciating Wizards for trying to make prereleases funner (with Helvault for Restored and Human/non-Human stickers for Dark Ascension), people are complaining about how they didn't get the $100 bill that other people got.

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Originally posted by mtglover:
Maybe I'm different but I honestly think that it would be massively better if wizards stop giving away promos like this. Either give something to everybody or give nothing at all.

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I for one was quite sad I didn't get a chance to participate due to work.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Looks like I was closer with my number, WOTC stated there were about 13 Foil Vaults world wide.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Looks like I was closer with my number, WOTC stated there were about 13 Foil Vaults world wide.

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Of the roughly 6,000 Helvaults we sent out, we selected 30 Helvaults to get this special treatment. We picked randomly from our Advanced level WPN stores and sent the Premium Helvaults to their new home.

Seems like a great marketing strategy.

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Originally posted by junichi:
So WoTC decided it was a great idea to reward players in 30 Helvault events, and disappoint the remaining 5970.

Seems like a great marketing strategy.

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Originally posted by junichi:
So WoTC decided it was a great idea to reward players in 30 Helvault events, and disappoint the remaining 5970.

Seems like a great marketing strategy.

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I think the strategy worked out fine. They sent them out, with a select few being chock full of fantastic prizes. They went to the Premiere level stores for obvious reasons, one being that it allows the greatest chance of exposure upon opening. The fact that there was a Helvault created a buzz. People at the local pre-release I was at enjoyed the opening. And when the first "foil" Helvault hit the net? It was everywhere. People were talking about it. Buzz was generated. This is not that different from Zendikar's hidden treasures.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
The 5970 number is just wrong because not everyone's disappointed. The # of people that bitch and complain on MOTL and MTGS are nothing compared to the # of people that actually play

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Originally posted by caquaa:
meh, at the 3 prereleases I played at there was plenty to go around because no one wanted anything. The store owner was forcing people to take dice so he didn't have to deal w/ them later. No one really cared a bit. Pretty sure they could have sent out those 30 and not the other 5970 and had the same outcome.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
meh, at the 3 prereleases I played at there was plenty to go around because no one wanted anything. The store owner was forcing people to take dice so he didn't have to deal w/ them later. No one really cared a bit. Pretty sure they could have sent out those 30 and not the other 5970 and had the same outcome.

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Which is 100% the opposite of mine. I couldn't make it to one of 4 Pre-Releases, and I had a few friends ask for pepoles oversized cards they didn't want. I was only able to get a set plus 2 extras out of 4 Pre-Releases because people wanted to keep their oversized cards.

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Originally posted by bstrom213:
Seriously, I mean if they wanted to do something big or are sitting a crap load of judge foils, they might as well just said that the winner of each 64-man flight would get a random judge foil (covering the face of the card and sealed of course). That would have definitely increased attendance

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Ya and turn pre-releases into something unfun as a bunch of top tier players and people who will abuse rules to beat people show up and make casual players feel like crap?

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Originally posted by WeedIan:

Ya and turn pre-releases into something unfun as a bunch of top tier players and people who will abuse rules to beat people show up and make casual players feel like crap?

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You do have a point, well played sir, well played. I keep on thinking that us internet dork that are vocal about magic are in the majority when in fact we are the 1%.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
The 5970 number is just wrong because not everyone's disappointed. The # of people that bitch and complain on MOTL and MTGS are nothing compared to the # of people that actually play

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It's pretty obvious that this has generated more negative buzz than positive buzz.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Meh. Most people that I know in town either love or don't care much about the Helvault. Not one single person complained that they didn't get the premium Helvault.

To me, this is a bigger social issue. People bitching about not getting QUALITY free things. It's like another example of the latest generation being spoiled, entitled little brats.

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I believe the main issue is not about the quality of free things, but the equality of free things. People will bound to have hard feelings about why store A gets the premium Hellvault and every players walk away from the store $50 richer, while store B who is in the same city will get the regular Hellvault where the contents are not desirable.

Imagine your LGS is giving out Foil Despise at FNM, while the store next door is giving out Judge Foil Demonic Tutor. It's pretty hard for people to not feel bad about it.

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