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AEther Storm
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posted February 08, 2021 06:16 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for AEther Storm Click Here to Email AEther Storm Send a private message to AEther Storm Click to send AEther Storm an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by B-Town:
Draft is different in Kaldheim. One thing I noticed is that a lot of the rares and uncommons are useless. You're better off taking common removal Pack 1 Pick 1 than in most other formats. Foretell is also a bit broken. For example, I played a 5 drop on turn 5, the opponent responded the next turn by killing my creature, scrying 2, and putting 5 power onto the battlefield. That's not really supposed to happen in that format.


For constructed, I've been playing Rakdos Sac in Historic - it got a bit better with the new set. I've had more trouble picking a deck in standard. Temur Ramp is a good deck, but it's not fun - just play a bunch of land then slam an "I win" card. Bant Enchantments is a lot more fun but less competitive.


Sorry for the double post mods. Doing this from the keypad without a mouse and have no idea how to select and copy/paste without messing up.

Funny, I took a lot of removal yesterday and it still didn't help. Double Feed the Serpent, Frost Bite, Demon Bolt, that Rakdos Saga that lets you sac a critter for 3 damage. Sad part, I had no critter base but the draft was all over the place. P1P11 still had that Blue flash enchantment (-2/-0), Blue bounce and another good blue card in it.
P2P3 was that white legendary flyer for 2W and is 2/3 vigilance. Signals were way off.

So I ended up with a U/B/R monstrosity and got land-screwed in my first 2 games. Somehow I ended up with 2 wins after that before biting the dust.
It's the same with Zendikar. I didn't get Zendikar-draft and so far, this is the same. I don't want to try Sealed because that costs 2k gems (that I don't have, saving that for the pass). I just need one good draft really.


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Deck
2 Omen of the Sun (THB) 30
3 Island (ANA) 3
4 Omen of the Sea (THB) 58
1 Swamp (ANA) 5
1 Dream Trawler (THB) 214
2 Shark Typhoon (IKO) 67
3 Skyclave Apparition (ZNR) 39
2 Castle Ardenvale (ELD) 238
3 Golden Egg (ELD) 220
5 Plains (ZNR) 268
1 Crawling Barrens (ZNR) 262
1 Emeria's Call (ZNR) 12
3 Doom Foretold (ELD) 187
1 Castle Vantress (ELD) 242
2 Elspeth's Nightmare (THB) 91
4 Shatter the Sky (THB) 37
3 Elspeth Conquers Death (THB) 13
1 Realm-Cloaked Giant (ELD) 26
3 The Birth of Meletis (THB) 5
3 Dance of the Manse (ELD) 186
2 Fabled Passage (M21) 246
2 Banishing Light (THB) 4
3 Clearwater Pathway (ZNR) 260
3 Brightclimb Pathway (ZNR) 259
1 Hengegate Pathway (KHM) 260
1 The Trickster-God's Heist (KHM) 232

This is my UWB control I've been playing for like months now after miracle-gro just couldn't get over the hump. Besides a couple of flip lands, I took out 1 Omen of the Sun (might add it back in place of 1 The Birth of Meletis) I added the 1 The Trickster-God's Heist. Funny to swap a 0/4 wall or 1/1 human for a Baneslayer (a lot of angel decks )

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quote:
Originally posted by AEther Storm:
Sorry for the double post mods. Doing this from the keypad without a mouse and have no idea how to select and copy/paste without messing up.

Funny, I took a lot of removal yesterday and it still didn't help. Double Feed the Serpent, Frost Bite, Demon Bolt, that Rakdos Saga that lets you sac a critter for 3 damage. Sad part, I had no critter base but the draft was all over the place. P1P11 still had that Blue flash enchantment (-2/-0), Blue bounce and another good blue card in it.
P2P3 was that white legendary flyer for 2W and is 2/3 vigilance. Signals were way off.

So I ended up with a U/B/R monstrosity and got land-screwed in my first 2 games. Somehow I ended up with 2 wins after that before biting the dust.
It's the same with Zendikar. I didn't get Zendikar-draft and so far, this is the same. I don't want to try Sealed because that costs 2k gems (that I don't have, saving that for the pass). I just need one good draft really.



The thing that's throwing this draft off IMO is snow. Each pod seems to have 1-2 players that are on either 3 or 4 color snow decks. This means that the snow cards are prioritized regardless of color, which makes the end of the pack a lot harder to read. At least that's what I feel like is happening.

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Update for standard - I've been honing in on Izzet Flash/Tempo and 4 color control. The flash deck is fun - a bit difficult sometimes to figure out when to turn the corner from control to aggro, but I'm getting better at it. Just started playing the control deck - it's definitely powerful but, as always, control is a difficult archetype to play efficiently.
 
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posted February 11, 2021 12:49 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for AEther Storm Click Here to Email AEther Storm Send a private message to AEther Storm Click to send AEther Storm an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by B-Town:
The thing that's throwing this draft off IMO is snow. Each pod seems to have 1-2 players that are on either 3 or 4 color snow decks. This means that the snow cards are prioritized regardless of color, which makes the end of the pack a lot harder to read. At least that's what I feel like is happening.

That might be it. Although yesterday I had a very good draft (signals were bang-on). I got passed that blue god (which is also a Vehicle on the flip side, which is EXCELLENT against players who keep a 2 land hand and struggle) P2P3 which made sense. Had a U/W/B deck in the end which did quite nice although ended up with 4 wins (made a bad call, should have been at least 5 wins).

Second draft yesterday also went great, went W/R/B with some snow and quite a lot of removal. 6 wins, 1 loss was due to landflood after mulling to 5. It's looking better, but I'll keep an eye out for those snow-drafters. Snow lands get picked up early.

quote:
Originally posted by B-Town:
Update for standard - I've been honing in on Izzet Flash/Tempo and 4 color control. The flash deck is fun - a bit difficult sometimes to figure out when to turn the corner from control to aggro, but I'm getting better at it. Just started playing the control deck - it's definitely powerful but, as always, control is a difficult archetype to play efficiently.

You mention Flash, I've been thinking of UB Flash with Slitherwisp and such. Anyone know if that works? How does your UR Flash look like?

I'm a control player by nature but find it hard to make one on Arena. Thinking of trying to build an old-skool Fish-type deck for now.

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Drafted Jund Aggro/Midrange and went 7-0 in premier draft. Found that a lot of people have been drafting snow excessively early.
Then followed it up with Jund again where all the signals were off and I should have switched over to a Boros aggro or Azorius control build, but tried to force it. That draft didn't go well.
 
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These are the 2 standard decks I've been playing - UR Flash and Jund Control.

Flash works better with R involved. Goldspan Dragon, the lightning bolt spell, and the Snow creature land make it the best version. The great thing about the Dragon is that you get 2 free mana if it's targeted with a spell. So opponent casts Heartless Act, you can be tapped out, get 2 free mana and respond with Negate.

Deck
4 Behold the Multiverse (KHM) 46
4 Bonecrusher Giant (ELD) 115
4 Brazen Borrower (ELD) 39
2 Disdainful Stroke (KHM) 54
2 Essence Scatter (AKR) 60
4 Fabled Passage (M21) 246
3 Faceless Haven (KHM) 255
3 Frost Bite (KHM) 138
4 Goldspan Dragon (KHM) 139
2 Negate (ZNR) 71
4 Riverglide Pathway (ZNR) 264
4 Saw It Coming (KHM) 76
4 Shark Typhoon (IKO) 67
3 Shatterskull Smashing (ZNR) 161
7 Snow-Covered Island (KHM) 279
3 Snow-Covered Mountain (KHM) 283
3 Volatile Fjord (KHM) 273

Sideboard
3 Mystical Dispute (ELD) 58
2 Negate (ZNR) 71
3 Ox of Agonas (THB) 147
2 Phoenix of Ash (THB) 148
2 Scorching Dragonfire (M21) 158
1 Shredded Sails (IKO) 136
2 Storm's Wrath (THB) 157

Jund is good - you drain your opponent's resources then beat then down with Crawling Barrens or steal cards from their library with Tibalt and beat them with their own stuff.

Deck
3 Klothys, God of Destiny (THB) 220
4 Agonizing Remorse (THB) 83
3 Swamp (KLR) 293
4 Heartless Act (IKO) 91
4 Valki, God of Lies (KHM) 114
4 Mazemind Tome (M21) 232
2 Elspeth's Nightmare (THB) 91
2 Soul Shatter (ZNR) 127
2 Hagra Mauling (ZNR) 106
4 Binding the Old Gods (KHM) 206
3 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon (M21) 1
4 Blightstep Pathway (KHM) 252
4 Darkbore Pathway (KHM) 254
4 Cragcrown Pathway (ZNR) 261
4 Shatterskull Smashing (ZNR) 161
4 Zagoth Triome (IKO) 259
2 Ketria Triome (IKO) 250
3 Crawling Barrens (ZNR) 262

Sideboard
2 Duress (M19) 94
4 Dead Weight (GRN) 67
1 Soul Shatter (ZNR) 127
4 Necromentia (M21) 116
2 Eliminate (M21) 97
2 Wilt (IKO) 176


 
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posted February 16, 2021 06:32 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for AEther Storm Click Here to Email AEther Storm Send a private message to AEther Storm Click to send AEther Storm an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Jund looks good. I hate Ugin though. That thing is ridiculous and should be banned.

I've played vs both. I like the Goldspan decks. My RB-Kroxa-Waste Not decks eats it alive .

I'm bummed Uro got banned. Now that deck I always beat. Nothing funnier than stealing their Escaped Uro with Angrath, getting all the bonuses and then saccing it. Banning Growth Spiral could even be better than just Uro.

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posted February 16, 2021 02:52 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for harbingerofthevoid Click Here to Email harbingerofthevoid Send a private message to harbingerofthevoid Click to send harbingerofthevoid an Instant MessageVisit harbingerofthevoid's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
anyone else have an issue with the "hide alternate art styles" just not working? I thought it did for a while and it might be like they release a new set and you have to redo the setting or something. I don't want to see your parallax art tree of what ever and those monsters, I have to e=read each godzilla/mothra/whatever every time.

/old man rant

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posted February 17, 2021 01:31 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for AEther Storm Click Here to Email AEther Storm Send a private message to AEther Storm Click to send AEther Storm an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
can you do that then? How? Didn't know. But I hear you.

BTW, how can you read an effect that's 'on the stack' while it's being countered and thus covered by the counter?

Let's say my opponent casts a spell and reacts to it quickly, then the effects blow up on the right side of your screen, with the newest on top. However, I want to read what the bottom effect says but I can't because it's being blocked.

BTW, funny thing yesterday. I've been trying to get out of Platinum 4 for 2 weeks now with my new poison/deathtouch deck. Build one for Historic and Standard. Last night I got 5 wins in a row in Historic ranked with my Standard deck because I made a mistake selecting the deck. LOL. I might keep playing Historic Ranked with the Standard deck..

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quote:
Originally posted by AEther Storm:
Sorry for the double post mods. Doing this from the keypad without a mouse and have no idea how to select and copy/paste without messing up.

Funny, I took a lot of removal yesterday and it still didn't help. Double Feed the Serpent, Frost Bite, Demon Bolt, that Rakdos Saga that lets you sac a critter for 3 damage. Sad part, I had no critter base but the draft was all over the place. P1P11 still had that Blue flash enchantment (-2/-0), Blue bounce and another good blue card in it.
P2P3 was that white legendary flyer for 2W and is 2/3 vigilance. Signals were way off.

So I ended up with a U/B/R monstrosity and got land-screwed in my first 2 games. Somehow I ended up with 2 wins after that before biting the dust.
It's the same with Zendikar. I didn't get Zendikar-draft and so far, this is the same. I don't want to try Sealed because that costs 2k gems (that I don't have, saving that for the pass). I just need one good draft really.



Based on my 20 or so premium drafts of Kaldheim on MTGA, I found that you just really need to overload with creatures/flyers and not trying to get cute. Removals are nice, but you really don't need more than a few unless you have an absolute bomb like Koma where you are just trying to survive until you draw into it.

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Thanks, I'll try that. I got thrashed yesterday doing U/W. Few counters, 3 Ravenform and quite a number of foretell spells along with some 'when you play 2 spells in 1 turn, do this'. Didn't work. Not even my 7/7 Giant that bounces all other stuff but Giants/Wizards/Lands got the job done.

That Narfi fellow is a pain in the youknowwhat if they have enough snow lands. Can't get rid of him.

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quote:
Originally posted by AEther Storm:
Thanks, I'll try that. I got thrashed yesterday doing U/W. Few counters, 3 Ravenform and quite a number of foretell spells along with some 'when you play 2 spells in 1 turn, do this'. Didn't work. Not even my 7/7 Giant that bounces all other stuff but Giants/Wizards/Lands got the job done.

That Narfi fellow is a pain in the youknowwhat if they have enough snow lands. Can't get rid of him.


I found U/W to be a trap combination in Kaldheim. The only viable strategy is to go U/W flyers, and there's not a lot to go around in a pod. The Foretell focus route is a dead end and you will end up building a control deck with the weakest creatures in a limited environment.

Counters are also just not viable as well. It forces you to play from behind and keep mana open. This becomes even more problematic when you are on the draw.

I have mixed feelings with Ravenform. It's great if you are using it to maintain board position and remove brick walls like Icehide Troll/God's Hall Guardian. It's terrible if you are counting on it to save your butt.

Personally, I found myself drafting G/R/x most of the time. The c/uc in Gruul is just so much better than a lot of the rares in other colors, and it's also the easiest to splash a third color late in the draft when a bomb shows up.

Side story from a draft that happened a few days ago:
Pack 2 pick 3, I see...

KOMA...

WTF???

My Gruul deck is now Temur.

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yeah I know, although 1 draft I went U/W Foretell with that Vega fella, double foretell saga and double 4/4 Dwarf that gets you an enchantment back from the yard. But ok, that won't happen again.

last draft there wasn't any green at all. Blue was wide open. Maybe people are forcing Green, dunno. I'll try again when I have enough coins.

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I've had the most luck with Kaldheim drafts by playing R/x. R/B is pretty hot if you get any of the rare creatures. Red creatures are pretty high quality. W/R was good too. You need to pick up snow lands to turn "on" red and black stuff tho.

Blue feels weak unless you're the only blue player. Which is a nice change from T2 or Brawl. Brawl is infested with counterspell tribal and Esika nonsense.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
I've had the most luck with Kaldheim drafts by playing R/x. R/B is pretty hot if you get any of the rare creatures. Red creatures are pretty high quality. W/R was good too. You need to pick up snow lands to turn "on" red and black stuff tho.

Blue feels weak unless you're the only blue player. Which is a nice change from T2 or Brawl. Brawl is infested with counterspell tribal and Esika nonsense.


If I don't play Historic Ranked, I just hit Play and not Brawl. What's the difference anyway?

PM me your username so I can clobber you sometime

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The new DND cards look mostly meh.

Except for Portable Hole, that looks like a $5-10 future value spec card.

And the Corpse Dances I collected over the years can put my kids through college....

What a time to be a cardboard crack owner.

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Well I also play Standard Ranked sometimes. Dragon's Approach is fun. I wish I owned some Time Warps, having no rare craftthingies left.

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After 5 months with notes posts here I'll ask:

Can someone get me an S-Chinese Foil Grim Lavamancer from Double Masters?

 
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https://pucatrade.com/articles/2021/farewell

Good ****ing riddance!

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
https://pucatrade.com/articles/2021/farewell

Good ****ing riddance!


lol, does this mean MOTL outlasted PucaTrade?

 
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seems like card values are falling off.

and no one wants to buy my collection at even half 'market' value....

T_T

 

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