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koodkkslis
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posted March 05, 2009 10:26 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for koodkkslis Click Here to Email koodkkslis Send a private message to koodkkslis Click to send koodkkslis an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
PD it really doesn't matter what you think. The two wolves are obvious voting together this round, You are one of them and will be voting me, thats fine.

Your partner will vote me, making that 2 votes kood.

I am voting PD. That makes 1-PD 2-Kood, there are 3 undeclared votes.

So if you are really a a citizen I would think long and hard before you say "I am 100% sure you are a wolf". You haven't come out and say that yet (you said you weren't 100%), but your attitude suggests otherwise.

If you were a cit like last round, you would be putting a hell of a lot more thought into this final vote, being that if you are wrong you know we lose. You do realize that you are wrong we (if by some chance you are a cit) are gonna lose, right?

So, you know what PD, your confidence implies guilt in my mind.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by koodkkslis:
PD it really doesn't matter what you think. The two wolves are obvious voting together this round, You are one of them and will be voting me, thats fine.

[...]

So if you are really a a citizen I would think long and hard before you say "I am 100% sure you are a wolf". You haven't come out and say that yet (you said you weren't 100%), but your attitude suggests otherwise.

[...]

So, you know what PD, your confidence implies guilt in my mind.


Kood, if you are going to make meaningless arguments, please don't make them with me. You just hoisted yourself by your own petard there.

You just flat out said I am a wolf (underlined above)... that's pretty much akin to 100% confidence. If such confidence condemns me, I'm afraid it condemns you too. And if the argument could be applied equally to either of us, then it makes neither of us guiltier than the other, and is therefore a meaningless argument.

You're right, I've never said I'm 100% confident you are a wolf. Only a fool would say such a thing. But you are the most suspicious person at the table, and the arguments I raised about your behavior (which you have not responded to again) stand.

100% confident? No. Confident enough to place a vote? Yes. But I'm open to anyone who has a better argument to bring.

I think your attempts to continually bring new bad arguments as quickly as you abandon the old bad ones are a strong indicator that you are simply trying to get me killed as opposed to trying to find a wolf.

Regarding the wolves voting together--you know that's not necessarily true--the wolves could vote in two different directions if a majority builds on a cit, they could vote in different directions if they have to make a sac play, and there are other plays they could probably make that I don't want to alert them to.

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quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:

If such confidence condemns me, I'm afraid it condemns you too.


It condemns you because its contrary to your play last round when we had a similar situation. You were cautious then and much less cautious now. It refers to an OOC move, if you feel that I am being out of character then say so but apparently you feel this is what I continually do.

How is that the same?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by koodkkslis:
It condemns you because its contrary to your play last round when we had a similar situation. You were cautious then and much less cautious now. It refers to an OOC move, if you feel that I am being out of character then say so but apparently you feel this is what I continually do.

How is that the same?


I don't recall you being nearly as confident last game as you are now. I also don't recall you being nearly as desperate last game as you are now. And I certainly don't recall you raising bad argument after bad argument, switching to a new one whenever the old one failed.

Generally when an argument for doing something fails, it means you don't do that thing, it doesn't mean you try to dream up new reasons to do it. If you continue to do so then all of the reasons are equally BS and it simply comes down to what you want--you have an agenda, and you appear to have been running it since at least R2. Oh so now I am "overconfident". Yeah right. This makes what now, six arguments? Seven?

Your latest argument fails because I am not (nor have I expressed that I am) 100% confident. "Your opinion" as to how confident I seem is a fairly uncompelling indicator--as a wolf you'd say I have a nicer rack than Angelina Jolie if you thought it would get you out of being lynched... saying I'm "unusually confident" doesn't sound like a tall order.

If I seem to have more confidence lately, maybe it's because you haven't been able to refute any of the arguments I've raised against you and all of the arguments you've raised against me have pretty much fallen down under scrutiny (with little or no defense from you.) Or maybe I seem a little confident because I've goaded you a few times in an effort to get you to slip up and reveal something--but you've been too cool a customer to fall for that.

But every time I look at your post history I find new things that I didn't notice before which lend support to the notion that you are wolf. And yes, that does increase my confidence level... nowhere near 100% though.

For example, here's something interesting--in R4 you wanted to lynch me, and you stated that you were willing to hang if it meant I get lynched. "Lynch me if that's what it takes to get PD lynched" you said. And what was your VERY NEXT POST? "Switching my vote to bugger to save myself." Yeah. Your bid to get me lynched would have ground to a complete halt if you got lynched and revealed--just so much bravado. In R5 you were all "this town's not big enough for the two of us" and then I suggested the consensus notion and you practically jumped at it. For a cit you have an uncharacteristic allergy to the gallows. That was two rounds you could have died to make your point, but getting me killed was only worth it if you came out of it alive. I mean if 2 lynched cits calling for me was enough to get me lynched in your book, then surely 3 lynched cits would do it, yes? Guess the argument only applied if you weren't one of the people lynched in the process.

Anyway kood, given the number of arguments you've floated, I'd say if you were going to convince the crowd, you'd have done so already. I'd say the same is true of me. Why don't we let THEM make up their own minds now?

Still voting Kood.

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I'm sorry Kood, but PD has a ton of good arguments behind what he's saying and you have none. Not even one good argument. Just wanting him to be lynched isn't a good enough one for me.

Voting Kood.

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Well, sorry cits, I let you all down.

See ya next game.

 
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Wow! Quiet in here...

I couldn't check in often today because work was nuts. I see our two perennially silent players haven't had anything to add. By my count there are only 3 declared votes, 2 for Kood and 1 for me. Well maybe 3 for kood if revenger voted for him, but it's hard to say.

IIRC votes are due 9 PM eastern, so if you aren't going to declare do please get your votes in soon.

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The Players ~ their vote

Plastered Dragon ~ kood
revenger ~ kood
Thanos ~ none
Jazaray ~ kood
koodkkslis ~ PD
Caitiri ~ kood

No fancy stories here, kood gets the axe this round. Unfortunately, it was ill-deserved.

After the WW kill, the villagers MUST be right or the game is over.

WW's asap please/thanks!

~MM

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Actually, my math was wrong, the wolves kill someone and the game is over...

Reveal yourselves if you like wolves!

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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Actually, my math was wrong, the wolves kill someone and the game is over...

Thoughts? The game should always end on a villager lynching.

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Actually, the game has technically always ended on a Wolf killing assuming no Angel saves. It's just always been called at the final lynching because unless the Angel's still around, the last Wolf kill is a moot point.

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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Reveal yourselves if you like wolves!

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I like Wolves!

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quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
I like Wolves!


I lol'd

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ARRRrrrOOOoooOOOooooOOOOoooOOOOoooooo...

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Whew! That was a fun game.
I'll let the other werewolves reveal themselves first before mentioning them.
In their own... unique... way.

EDIT: Damn, Chuck, you beat me to it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
I like Wolves!


I assume you were a wolf?

I am confused as to who were the wolves and who were not. I always thought when someone dies, they are revealed to what they are truly were.

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quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
I assume you were a wolf?

I am confused as to who were the wolves and who were not. I always thought when someone dies, they are revealed to what they are truly were.

~Revenger


No, he wasn't a wolf. He was killed by us first round.
The wolves were me, Plastereddragon, and Caitiri.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
No, he wasn't a wolf. He was killed by us first round.
The wolves were me, Plastereddragon, and Caitiri.




Aw man you gave Cait up

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Just noticed there are only 15 players listed on the first page.

Was really confused as to how Bugger was a wolf.

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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:

Aw man you gave Cait up

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Crap.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
No, he wasn't a wolf. He was killed by us first round.
The wolves were me, Plastereddragon, and Caitiri.



Wow.

From all of this to the end, I have a conclusion I am not sure who to vote for ever again.

PD, you had me fooled the entire game. Well done.

Ross was up there along with Jaz as my next suspects, considering they were wolfs with me previous game.

I have to say now I am more dubious on learning how to play this game than ever before. Gadzooks, I might've survived, but in the end, us cits lose...

oh my precious loses...

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quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
PD, you had me fooled the entire game. Well done.

I knew PD was wolf the entire game.

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quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
I knew PD was wolf the entire game.

Yes yes, you're very smart, shut up.

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quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
I knew PD was wolf the entire game.


Dead men tell no tales...

Forgot to add when is the next gonna start up? I have to work next 3 days and I stand a chance of missing it...
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quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Forgot to add when is the next gonna start up? I have to work next 3 days and I stand a chance of missing it...

I'd guess start of next week. Bad time to start during the weekend.

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I had PD pegged as soon as he trotted out the consensus strategy late in the game, but letting people have different numbers of suspects instead of cutting everything off at a certain number this time so not everyone's suspect lists were truly weighted the same. I'm surprised no one caught that.

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