Voting Bernie, my #3 suspect, to form a consensus and avoid a split vote.

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Originally posted by BernieB:
We cannot afford to lose another cit, lynch Kood.

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I've suspected you this game for OOC play, and also because you were on Bugger's suspicion list, which could make you a wolf he was trying to protect. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

quote:

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Originally posted by BernieB:
Kood is pushing for me to be lynched because he is desperately trying to save his furry hide.

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I agree with this statement. My suspicions have been on kood for last like 3 rounds or so. I am not jumping on the consensus bandwagon and voting for someone else other than who I suspect the most. I will probably be the oddman out, but wouldn't you (anyone here on ww) want to vote where your gut feeling is and not on the consensus?

~Revenger

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Originally posted by revenger:
I agree with this statement. My suspicions have been on kood for last like 3 rounds or so. I am not jumping on the consensus bandwagon and voting for someone else other than who I suspect the most. I will probably be the oddman out, but wouldn't you (anyone here on ww) want to vote where your gut feeling is and not on the consensus?

~Revenger

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I know you are trying not to share your votes, but out of curiousity, could you name your #2 suspect? You are the only person who hasn't.

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by revenger:
I agree with this statement. My suspicions have been on kood for last like 3 rounds or so. I am not jumping on the consensus bandwagon and voting for someone else other than who I suspect the most. I will probably be the oddman out, but wouldn't you (anyone here on ww) want to vote where your gut feeling is and not on the consensus?

~Revenger

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[/QUOTE]

My #2 suspect is BernieB.

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BernieB was resting at his house one fine evening. There was a knock at the door. Bernie answered it. Hooded men/women were standing there with torches and a pitchfork.
Bernie tried to stave off his attackers. He was not successful. Unfortunately, his wounds were as terribly life-threatening. But seeing as he was the angel, he could not administer himself the necessary treatment.

WW's your name asap.

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Oy vey.

Okay. This is bad, but we can still win as long as we definitely get a wolf next round and a wolf the round after that. Will post more after the kill.

019. Feb-13 09:38 PM: signed up - (ref: nobody)
049. Feb-15 06:14 PM: Re: Cait#47 - ? - (ref: nobody)
086. Feb-18 04:02 AM: Holding off voting, Bernek seems suspicious. - (ref: Bernk)
116. Feb-18 04:19 PM: Suspects ecto and Cait for being quiet, and Bernek for being Bernek. - (ref: Bernk, Cait, ecto)
149. Feb-19 04:30 PM: voted Bernek last night - (ref: Bernk)
167. Feb-20 05:12 PM: doesn't think AGM had inside info on Bernek. Suspects ecto, hilikus, Bernek. - (ref: Bernk, ecto, hil, MW)
170. Feb-20 10:25 PM: Re: Bernek#169 - ;-) - (ref: nobody)
217. Feb-22 05:59 PM: Votes GLE. - (ref: GLE, PD)
224. Feb-22 08:17 PM: Re: Jaz#218 - never underestimate the power of my stupidity - (ref: Jaz)
250. Feb-23 08:25 PM: Top suspects - ecto, tnos, bernek. - (ref: Bernk, ecto, Jaz, Tnos)
254. Feb-24 04:09 AM: Re: Jaz#252 - reasons for suspicions. - (ref: Bernk, ecto, hil, MW, Tnos)
274. Feb-24 04:49 PM: Changing suspicions. Thinks 2 wolves in pile 4. Votes kood. Suspects Ecto, Kood, Caitiri. Suggests looking at votes. - (ref: AGM, Bernk, Cait, ecto, GLE, kood, MW)
318. Feb-27 04:46 AM: Votes kood based on kood's last two posts. - (ref: kood)
339. Feb-28 06:18 PM: affirms kood vote - (ref: kood)
363. Mar-02 04:35 AM: New Suspect list. - (ref: Bernk, Bug, Cait, Jaz, kood, OB, rev, Tnos)
377. Mar-02 04:25 PM: Re: Cait#371 - you're right Cait. Suspects now Kood, Thanos, Cait. - (ref: Cait, Jaz, kood, Tnos)
388. Mar-03 04:25 AM: Re: Jaz#386 - BernieB knows Cait's name from hoarder's bank. - (ref: Cait, Jaz)
405. Mar-03 06:00 PM: Votes Kood. - (ref: Bernk, Bug, kood)
406. Mar-03 06:13 PM: We cannot afford to lose another cit, lynch Kood. - (ref: kood)
413. Mar-03 06:53 PM: good luck cits - (ref: nobody)

Voting records:

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PLAYER           R01  R02  R03  R04  R05  GRP  STA
===============  ===  ===  ===  ===  ===  ===  ===
Caitiri          AGM  GLE  PGB  koo  BB    1    A
Jazaray          AGM  B77  PGB  B77  BB    1    A
revenger         B77  ---  koo  koo  koo   2    A
Bernek77         Bug  PD   PGB  Bug  PD    3    A
koodkkslis       MW   GLE  PGB  Bug  BB    4    A
PlasteredDragon  MW   GLE  Bug  Bug  BB    4    A
Thanos           MW   GLE  rev  Bug  PD    4    A
BernieB          B77  GLE  koo  koo  koo   A    L
Our_Benefactors  MW   GLE  Bug  Bug        C    E
Bugger           rev  PD   PD   koo        W    L
ectomanic        MW   ---  B77             C    E
puregoblinboy47  MW   PD   PD              C    L
hilikuS          Bug  PD                   C    E
GottaLoveElves   PD   PD                   C    L
AlmasterGM       B77                       S    E
MasterWolf       Bug                       C    L
Liq                                        C    E

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quote:

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
BernieB's post history:

Voting records:

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PLAYER           R01  R02  R03  R04  R05  GRP  STA
===============  ===  ===  ===  ===  ===  ===  ===
revenger         B77  ---  koo  koo  koo   2    A
BernieB          B77  GLE  koo  koo  koo   A    L

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Perhaps it is pure coincidence, but with the exception of my missed vote (hey, work/family does take its toll) these are identical. I feel that now the lynching killed the angel, I beleive now we must take out the other 2 wolfs next 2 rounds without failure.

My suspcicions only raised now, still resides with kood, but others have raised as well now.

I do not accuse anyone, just posting my thoughts, (which I think everyone wants.)

I will post my my #2 suspect after the wolf kill.

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The Players
Bernek
Plastered Dragon
revenger
Thanos
Jazaray
koodkkslis
Caitiri

quote:

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Originally posted by revenger:
Perhaps it is pure coincidence, but with the exception of my missed vote (hey, work/family does take its toll) these are identical.

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Don't forget the angel was your #2 suspect--in fact he was pretty much on everybody's suspect list, that's why the consensus system rated him so highly. Yours and Caitiri's suspicions weren't counted when I ran the numbers this morning because I didn't have lists from you.

Jaz & Kood had him as #1, Bernek had him as #2, I had him as #3. Thanos didn't suspect him this round.

You (and Cait too I think), both had him as #2. But you both also had Kood as #1. If I had your lists the numbers would have come out differently this round. With the suspicions of two more players added, both who had Kood as #1 and Bernie as #2, Kood would have scored 144 this round to Bernie's 120. I would have preferred that, given Kood is my #1.

quote:

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Originally posted by revenger:
I feel that now the lynching killed the angel, I beleive now we must take out the other 2 wolfs next 2 rounds without failure.

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Villager's your votes are due Friday! Same bat time, same bat channel.

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044. Feb-15 09:06 AM: ryan's mafia game - (ref: PD)
084. Feb-18 12:40 AM: Suspects Bugger for joking around (Bugger#70). Thinks kood is overreacting to GLE's post. How can revenger vote GLE and suspect nobody? (Reading too much into revenger's use of language.) Not going to declare? WTF? - (ref: Bug, GLE, kood, Liq, PD, rev, Tnos)
093. Feb-18 08:23 AM: Explains reasons for not declaring. Defensive. - (ref: BernB, PD)
096. Feb-18 10:34 AM: Only angel and seer are assets to villagers. - (ref: PD)
136. Feb-19 11:32 AM: Defensive. Doesn't like revenger's excuse. Doesn't like Bugger's "defensive posture". - (ref: Bug, PD, PGB, rev, Tnos)
146. Feb-19 03:48 PM: votes Bugger for post #70. - (ref: Bug, hil, MW, PD, rev)
163. Feb-20 11:54 AM: Re: rev#159 - doesn't suspect revenger, suspects Bugger, AGM, and Bernie. - (ref: AGM, BernB, Bug, MW, rev)
169. Feb-20 09:27 PM: thinks seer checked Bernek. Will be away from MOTL tomorrow. - (ref: AGM, BernB, PD)
197. Feb-22 12:05 AM: PD is scapegoating him. Suspects wolves include strong player like PGB, GLE, Caitri, bernieB or Bernek. - (ref: BernB, Cait, GLE, Liq, PD, PGB)
199. Feb-22 06:44 AM: PD "grasping at straws". - (ref: GLE, kood, PD)
204. Feb-22 10:16 AM: further discussions of strong wolf theory - (ref: BernB, Bug, Cait, GLE, kood, Liq, PD, PGB)
220. Feb-22 06:19 PM: Votes PD. - (ref: BernB, Bug, GLE, Jaz, Liq, PD, Tnos)
225. Feb-22 08:28 PM: Re: Bernie#224 - I have to agree with you there - (ref: BernB)
232. Feb-23 05:11 AM: Not convinced PD is a wolf. Wait until after kill to vote. - (ref: PD)
246. Feb-23 06:34 PM: Thinks hilikuS kill is wolves trying to set PD up. Votes PGB. - (ref: hil, kood, PD, PGB)
249. Feb-23 07:32 PM: Top suspects - BernieB, Bugger, PGB. - (ref: BernB, Bug, Jaz, PGB)
251. Feb-23 09:20 PM: Re: BernieB#250 - Joking around. - (ref: BernB)
253. Feb-24 01:08 AM: Re: Jaz#252 - explains self - (ref: BernB, Bug, Jaz)
257. Feb-24 07:44 AM: Thoughts on PD, BernieB, Bugger. - (ref: BernB, Bug, GLE, hil, PD, PGB)
259. Feb-24 08:09 AM: Re: PGB#258 - how are my posts off the wall? - (ref: BernB, Bug, GLE, PD, PGB)
261. Feb-24 10:23 AM: Re: Bugger#260 - unimpressed with response, what contradictions? - (ref: Bug, hil)
265. Feb-24 11:42 AM: Re: OB#264 - why doesn't PD want to vote PGB? - (ref: BernB, Bug, GLE, Jaz, OB, PD, PGB, Tnos)
307. Feb-26 10:00 AM: claims he sent his vote in, was for PGB - (ref: PGB)
315. Feb-26 11:35 PM: Musing on Kood's OB/PD theory. Thinks PD should probably be lynched. - (ref: BernB, Bug, GLE, PD, PGB)
325. Feb-27 01:16 PM: Re: Cait#322 - musing about R2 and R3 piles. Suspects Jaz. - (ref: Cait, GLE, Jaz, PD, PGB, Tnos)
328. Feb-27 03:24 PM: Bernek's Bugger theory - (ref: everybody but AGM, Liq, MW)
331. Feb-28 09:10 AM: Talks trash to Jaz to push his theory. - (ref: BernB, Bug, GLE, Jaz, PD)
346. Mar-01 11:01 AM: Re: Jaz#340 - how is Bernek a wolf? Jaz seems suspicious. - (ref: Bug, Jaz)
364. Mar-02 06:02 AM: Jaz has been defending Bugger since R1. Check it out. Voting Jaz. - (ref: BernB, Bug, GLE, Jaz, PD)
367. Mar-02 09:13 AM: Re: Jaz#366 - not sure what Bernek is saying here. Thinks his argument was solid. - (ref: BernB, Bug, Jaz, Tnos)
373. Mar-02 12:46 PM: Continues to overlook revenger. Suspects Jaz. - (ref: Bug, GLE, Jaz, PD)
378. Mar-02 04:35 PM: Re: PD#374 - attempts to explain self. - (ref: Bug, GLE, hil, Jaz, kood, PD, rev, Tnos)
380. Mar-02 04:40 PM: Another split vote this round would be bad. - (ref: nobody)
392. Mar-03 12:17 PM: Calls for populace to vote Jaz, again points out the R2 GLE pile. - (ref: Bernk, BernB, Bug, Cait, GLE, Jaz, kood, PD, rev, Tnos)
394. Mar-03 01:45 PM: Mine is the best way to win. You think I am not a wolf now? Voting PD. - (ref: GLE, Jaz, PD, rev)
396. Mar-03 02:31 PM: Repeats accusation that Jaz defended Bugger. - (ref: BernB, Bug, Jaz, PD)

The list of players who haven't been voicing recent suspicion of kood is pretty short--Thanos and Bernek. Thanos, being in the R2 GLE pile, is not a good choice. Narrowing that pile down makes it easier to find a wolf in there. So that leaves Bernek, who isn't in either the R2 GLE pile or R2 Random pile--removing him leaves the players with the most questions.

When Bernek pointed out the R2 piles and identified himself as the WW's best kill, it looked to me that was possibly bluffing the cits, and that he could be Kood's partner in crime--he voted for PGB with kood in R3, and I suspected he might be in on the sac play with Bugger. But since he was a cit after all, the sad conclusion is that Bernek really did make the mistake of pointing out to the wolves their best options. Perhaps he thought he was hemming them in, and didn't count on his #2 suspect turning out to be the angel.

More importanly though are Bernek's suspicions and altercations--Bernek's suspected me off and on all game and had a big blowup with me yesterday. And he's been consistently calling for Jaz to be lynched, going to far as to try to bully me into voting for her in R5 (IMO). Removing Bernek makes both of those players look more suspicious--and since both of those players suspect kood, it might just make people distrust them enough to start looking elsewhere (i.e. me, or possibly Jaz.)

Unfortunately the wolves have the advantage of us now. They can afford to lose one this round, we cannot. But this gives them a flexibility we don't have. So I think the Bernek kill is a clever hedge play. If they can save kood and win this round, great, if not well at least there is another round. We don't have that luxury--and this isn't the first time that the wolves have tried to apparently manipulate us by eating someone to make someone else look suspicious (hilikuS).

My case for Kood has been made at length in previous rounds, and it's far better than his case for me which has fallen apart every time he has tried to mount it. All that seems to be there in the end is that Kood wants me out of the game, but hasn't got a good reason. He characterizes it now as simply a burning curiousity. I'm very curious about a number of players, but I'm not going to vote based on my curiousity. We'll all find out who's who eventually, hopefully next round.

But to get there we need to lynch a wolf. And that's why I am presently declaring for Kood, my #1 suspect--I wish I had declared for him last round instead of going for consensus--but consensus made sense... it's just that the populace in general distrusted Bernie more than Kood.

Voting Kood.

Your voting for the consensus last round made me think you were in fact jumping on the bandwagon, and in the end it did not work out for the cits. The angel got lynched, but we still are in it. I have stated before we have to get the wolfs next 2 rounds without fail. There is still hope, and if you beleive that as well, well then...

@Thanos

Your posts to me have been very effective. I do not suspect you as much as the others. Although I would have to double check your voting (PD you around to post his refs? ) and I think you did vote me moi, I do not really suspect you. Nothing screams out to me wolf.

@Jazaray

Ahhh Queen Jaz. Learning from my previous past ww game, I am still learning though, I think I am starting to grasp a style of your playing. My suspicion of you has risen, but not to the level of voting for you...yet. Bugger was the leader, and for some odd reason I do not see bugger being the leader over you, which is still a possiblity, but I doubt it.

@koodkkslis

I think my suspicion of you being a wolf is at an all time high. I have voted for you for last 3 rds, and probably not going to change unless someone starts posting along the lines that screams wolf out to me.

@Caitiri

You, like Queen Jaz, I learned a little of your wolf playing style from previous game. Imo, a better player then someone might think, then again it is only my opinion. My suspicion level of you has risen as well.

@Revenger

I know I am a cit. I do know I can somehow prove it to everyone else as well within the words. The last wolf killing actually had me worried a little that I could be eaten by the wolves. I was not, but the thought did occur to me. If I had been, I am sure my innocence would have turned me into an another WW statistic for PD to post.

From a level of suspicion for me.

Plastered Dragon #5
revenger -0-
Thanos #4
Jazaray #3
koodkkslis #1
Caitiri #2

Suspicion levels are for me and me alone. Unless I start seeing alot of chat from someone that I consider to be a wolf hiding in disguise, I do not see this changing. I look forward to seeing everyones' replies/responses.

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quote:

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Originally posted by revenger:
@Jazaray

Ahhh Queen Jaz. Learning from my previous past ww game, I am still learning though, I think I am starting to grasp a style of your playing. My suspicion of you has risen, but not to the level of voting for you...yet. Bugger was the leader, and for some odd reason I do not see bugger being the leader over you, which is still a possiblity, but I doubt it.

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Originally posted by revenger:
@Plastered Dragon

Your voting for the consensus last round made me think you were in fact jumping on the bandwagon, and in the end it did not work out for the cits. The angel got lynched, but we still are in it.

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Originally posted by revenger:
I have stated before we have to get the wolfs next 2 rounds without fail. There is still hope, and if you beleive that as well, well then...

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There are four cits and two wolves. If we lynch a cit there will be three cits and two wolves. Then during the night the wolves eat a cit, making it two cits and two wolves. If the number of cits is equal to the number of wolves, the game is over. That's why we have to get a wolf this round and again next round.

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Originally posted by revenger:
@Thanos

Your posts to me have been very effective. I do not suspect you as much as the others. Although I would have to double check your voting (PD you around to post his refs? )

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PLAYER           R01  R02  R03  R04  R05  R06  GRP  STA
===============  ===  ===  ===  ===  ===  ===  ===  ===
Thanos           MW   GLE  rev  Bug  PD   ---   4    A

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Cross references for: Thanos
 
From: Feb-17 15:41 MM announces Liq (cit) eaten - round 1...
  To: Mar-05 08:12 present
 
                 Refs to  Refs by  
PLAYER           Thanos   Thanos   
===============  =======  =======  
AlmasterGM            0       0
Bernek77              9       6
BernieB               4       0
Bugger                1       0
Caitiri               1       0
ectomanic             0       0
GottaLoveElves        0       3
hilikuS               0       0
Jazaray               3       0
koodkkslis            6       0
Liq                   0       0
MasterWolf            0       3
Our_Benefactors       0       0
PlasteredDragon      29       3
puregoblinboy47       0       0
revenger              1       1

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011. Feb-13 07:50 PM: signed up - (ref: nobody)
079. Feb-17 07:05 PM: Just soaking stuff up for now, thoughts later. - (ref: nobody)
123. Feb-19 06:13 AM: Re: MW#122 - Huh? - (ref: MW)
132. Feb-19 09:55 AM: Doesn’t like the MW wagon. Thinks Bernek a better target. Undecided. - (ref: Bernk, MW)
139. Feb-19 12:55 PM: Undecided. Notes Bernek is defensive. - (ref: Bernk)
151. Feb-19 05:17 PM: Votes MW, weird commentary and unhelpful game play. - (ref: MW)
205. Feb-22 10:20 AM: will catch up and post thoughts/vote later on today - (ref: nobody)
219. Feb-22 06:17 PM: Unsure of where to vote PD or GLE. Votes Bernek. - (ref: Bernk, GLE, PD)
222. Feb-22 07:05 PM: Switched to GLE. Only declared for Bernek to test Bernek's reaction. - (ref: Bernk, GLE, PD)
287. Feb-25 03:46 PM: Votes revenger, will explain later. - (ref: rev)
376. Mar-02 03:29 PM: Votes PD for not getting angry at him for being quiet. #2 suspect is Bernek. - (ref: Bernk, GLE, PD)
383. Mar-02 08:04 PM: Except for Bernek, nobody should take my comments personally - (ref: Bernk)

Is that the information you wanted, revenger, or was there something else?

Just so I can say "I told you so" when the game ends my guess at wolves is:

1) PD
2) Revenger

It could be PD/cait but my official guess is as posted.

I will be ready to take brutal comments if they wolves actually turn out to be Thanos/Jaz.

Hopefully some of you see the light. I can almost guarantee there will be two wolves in my pile after this round.

So if you are not a wolf and voting for me, you essentially seal the game for the wolves. 3 votes is critical mass, given that I am voting for PD he is the only one that can achieve 3 votes. (if a cit votes for me, given the 2 wolves will)

Keep that in mind when declaring a vote for me. I will be voting PD and its necessary for at least 2 others to vote this way to not immediately end the game.

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Originally posted by koodkkslis:
Well, it looks like I am getting lynched. I am shocked that this game will end and PD is not lynched. Shocked.

Just so I can say "I told you so" when the game ends my guess at wolves is:

1) PD
2) Revenger...

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quote:

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Originally posted by Jazaray: (In WW-6: Liq's Journey Home)
Well, I'm going out for the night, so I won't be around when you guys find out just how wrong you are so, good game guys. Don't let it get you down too much, there's always next game!

Thanks,
Queen Jazaray

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You've been in the biggest pile every round of this game--nobody else can make that claim, you voted for GLE, for PGB when I said he was a cit, and you are the ONLY player who had BernieB as his #1 suspect. You claimed to vote for Bugger to save your life when there were more votes on him than on you--I don't think you were saving your life at all--you were simply buying insurance. Other than that you never voted for Bugger, but you were sorely interested in taking out GLE, PGB, and me, weren't you?

Whatever, kood. The arguments have been made. Unless someone can show me a more compelling argument for another player, my vote is for you. I can't speak for anyone else. Hopefully we get you this round, and your partner in crime next round.