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Jazaray
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posted February 27, 2009 09:24 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Well, I promised a suspicion list. Here it is!

1. Bernek
2. Bugger (I will explain this in a min)
3. Kood
4. PD. (I'll explain this as well.)


My 1 and 2 choices are exclusive of each other. I mean to say that Bernek brought up something that I missed. There are only two people left in the PD voting pile. And I'm almost positive that at least 1 wolf placed a vote in the PD pile. However, I don't think that there would be two wolves in the PD pile. Bernek is acting WAAAAY more suspiciously than Bugger though. His posts are garbled and extremely nonsensical. My vote this round will be going to Bernek.

I find Kood suspicious purely for this fiasco with PD. PD IS right, he's presented answers and arguments as to why Koods idea was dumb and Kood just says "vote for PD".

On to PD. Yes, I seem to have a problem with voting off PD. Why? Because PD is a VERY helpful player and I just didn't see what the hell GLE was talking about in his posts, about how PD was acting differently. I still don't see it, to the degree that GLE was talking about, however, there are some very small differences that I'm noticing, as the game continues. So, that's why PD is on my list, but at the very bottom of my suspicions.


As an answer to whatever the hell Bernek wrote in his last post, I would like to say: What? Could you please rephrase that, but in English this time?


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posted February 28, 2009 08:39 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for PlasteredDragon Click Here to Email PlasteredDragon Send a private message to PlasteredDragon Click to send PlasteredDragon an Instant MessageVisit PlasteredDragon's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Well I've been thinking about the latest posts of Bernek and Jaz:

328. Feb-27 03:24 PM: Bernek77 - Bernek's Bugger theory - (ref: everybody but AGM, Liq, MW)
329. Feb-27 09:24 PM: Jazaray - Jaz's Bernek theory. - (ref: Bernk, Bug, GLE, Jaz, kood, PD)

Jaz is right, Bernek's posts have been really garbled and odd this game... even moreso than usual. But both he and her have hit on one essential point I hadn't considered.

In R2 we had 3 piles--

1. GLE: BernieB, Cait, Kood, OB, PD, TNos
2. PD: Bernek77, Bugger, GLE, hilikuS, PGB
3. random: ecto, Jazaray, revenger

Since that time two of those players have been lynched, and two have been eaten. Leaves the remains of those piles like so:

1. GLE: BernieB, Cait, Kood, OB, PD, TNos
2. PD: Bernek77, Bugger
3. random: Jazaray, revenger

Now we don't know for sure where the wolves hid in these piles--safest assumption is one in each. The GLE pile is still huge and our chances of finding a wolf in there with the couple lynches we have left are small.

That leaves pile 2 and 3. Both Jaz and Bernek have focussed on pile 2, the PD pile, figuring there must be at least 1 wolf in that pile. Bernek says it is Bugger, and Jaz thinks it is Bernek.

As the later rounds come, things often start to coalesce. And Kood's recent nigh-insane behavior has definitely set alarms ringing on my wolf-detection unit. I think a kood vote would be most instructive--but he is in a huge pile (and has pretty much set himself up that way every round).

Given the scattering of votes, it doesn't look like a kood lynch would happen though. Given that the elimination process involving Bugger and Bernek makes a lot of sense--if there is a wolf in that pile.

I've suspected Bugger more than Bernek this whole game--I tend to give Bernek a pass for his off-the-wall posts simply because it is very much in character for him.

I'm going to take a chance that Jaz & Bernek are right and a wolf hid in the R2 PD pile. My vote will be for Bugger. Sorry Jaz--I know Bernek's posts look nuts, but Bugger is my top suspect--and Bernek's posts always look nuts.

Bernek says if we lynch Bugger and Bugger is an innocent, Bernek himself is the next logical choice. If there is a wolf in the PD pile, this makes sense--and if it was Bernek, I don't think he would have said this.

Jaz, I think your reasoning is solid, and if Bugger turns out to be an innocent, then Bernek is likely a wolf, unless the notion that there is a wolf in the R2 PD pile is incorrect. I think there's a good case to be made for Bernek, but for me right now, Bugger is edging him out a little.

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posted February 28, 2009 09:10 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Bernek77 Click Here to Email Bernek77 Send a private message to Bernek77 Click to send Bernek77 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
OK first things first. I am trying to change my play up. I have gone over this time and time again. I am sorry if none of it is making sense.

Now going with the PD pile, Jaz sweetheart. If I was a wolf why would I bring attention to this pile. I would be doing everything in my power to try and get people to sway away from it.

Voting Bugger is the best choice. If he turns out to be innocent then I know I am gone next round. In turn EVERYONE will find out I am a villager. Now If both of us are villagers then YOU Jaz are a wolf. That would be 2 in the GLE pile and your Random vote. That is only if Bugger and I turn out to be innocent.

But, I am on a heavier side of Bugger indeed being a wolf. There has been no attention brought forth to the PD pile till now. I think the wolves did us a favor and didn't realize it. Eating 2 people in the PD pile narrowed it down. We didn't help our cause by lynching 2 of them. However, it made it easier to find our wolves.

Now it is safe to assume that after Bugger is voted off and if he turns out to be a villager that I will certainly be lynched. Then if Bugger is a villager than I am not sure that PD is a wolf. As I see it being Jaz, Along wiht my other suspect of the whole game along side Bugger is my BOY BernieB (wut up homie!). LOL

I hope that clarifies it up a bit for you Jaz

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PlasteredDragon
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As it stands right now we have 4 piles and 4 undeclareds. It would be very good to hear from our silent friends: Cait, O_B, revenger, and Thanos.

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posted February 28, 2009 01:19 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for revenger Click Here to Email revenger Send a private message to revenger Click to send revenger an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I have declared my vote.

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quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
I have declared my vote.

~Revenger


Hey Vengie... I missed it. When did you declare? Did you mean you just submitted it?

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Due to me going out (yeah,I actually am going out on a Saturday night for a change!), the voting results will not be posted to the morning. No excuses! If you haven't placed your vote yet, I gave you more time...so do it!!

~MM

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Voting bugger again.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by revenger:
I have declared my vote.

~Revenger


Hey Vengie... I missed it. When did you declare? Did you mean you just submitted it?

[/QUOTE]

I submitted my vote to MM last night I do believe.

Vengie? I feel like Anakin Skywalker, with the nickname of ani. The dark side is the path I am heading at this rate. Rev is good

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posted February 28, 2009 02:21 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Bugger Click Here to Email Bugger Send a private message to Bugger Click to send Bugger an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Well, things aren't looking good for me right now. I know I'm a newer player, and if heavyweights like PD and Jaz are planning on lynching me soon then there's not much hope for me left. But before I die, whether it be this round or the next one, can I ask everyone to at least put Bernek's theories under a little scrutiny?

quote:
Originally posted by Bernek77:
Out of the PD vote this round Bugger and I are the only 2 left. PGB, GLE and Hilkus were calling for PD. I know I am not a wolf. So now does it go back to my round 1 suspicion of Bugger. If we take out Bugger this round we might just find a wolf. Hilikus and I voted for Bugger round 1 and were the only 2. PD you have suspected him and a few other players have as well.

This seems to be the central focus of Bernek's argument: that there is likely 1 wolf in the PD pile, and since he says he's not a wolf it must be me. I have to ask: what reasons, besides the fact that you suspect me to be a wolf, makes the argument that there is a wolf in the PD pile? There aren't any. The third wolf you seek could just as easily be Jazaray (which you've mentioned), or revenger (who you curiously haven't). I'm not saying we look there, I'm saying that Bernek has no real reason to suspect me over Jaz or Revenger except that he already does- and like I pointed out in the last thread, he doesn't seem to care particularly whether his argument against me as a whole is coherent or not (it's not).

I still think Kood is the best option for a lynch this round (for reasons I already stated), and my vote will stay there, but if I have to change my vote to save myeslf I will.

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I still think that Kood is playing it too safe, yeah, everyon is suspicious no matter what they do, it seems, my vote has been placed for Kood.
 
Jazaray
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posted February 28, 2009 07:48 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Actually Bernek, that was the most coherent post you've made this game. Very well put together, well thought out and it actually made me think. But, I'm still voting for you. I still think you fit the wolf profile better than Bugger does. And your insistence that if you and bugger are not wolves than I MUST be one is absurd.

Already voted for you and leaving it that way.

Thanks,
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Looks like a big spread again this round. By my count we have 4 piles AGAIN (this is round 4 mind you). One player with 3 votes, one player with 2, and two players with 1 each. We have 3 undeclareds (one of those apparently deliberately not declaring) so right now there is no telling how it will all fall out--there are several ways we could end up with a two-way or even three-way tie... it's been an interesting round.

Well it's Sunday again, so I need to take my kid to therapy and then we are running over to Nana's again, so I will only be able to check sporadically today if at all.

I'll definitely post tonight though (unless I'm lynched!)

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I switched my vote to bugger, as it might be necessary for me to stay alive.
 
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The Players
Bernek ~ Bugger
Plastered Dragon ~ Bugger
Bugger ~ kood
revenger ~ kood
Thanos ~ Bugger
Jazaray ~ Bernek
Our_Benefactors ~ Bernek
BernieB ~ kood
koodkkslis ~ Bugger
Caitiri ~ kood

The village was divided. "String him up!" They shouted at Bugger. "Kill him!!" they yelled pointing at koodkkslis.
The arguing lasted for several hours, when a mysterious figure approached them. "I am MeddlingMage!"(lame I know).
"Bugger!koodkkslis! the two of you have been accused of great atrocities!"
The yelling stopped as everyone paid attention to the being before them.
"You both have 24 hours to plead your cases to the townspeople, in which they will ultimately decide your faith!"
"Townspeople, you must settle this without fail, or I will be back"
And with that, MeddlingMage vanishes...

Bugger and kood, obv, your votes cancel each other out. Your job is to defend yourselves to the villagers. All votes are due by 6 pm monday night(I know that's a little more than 24 hours, but I'll be at work )

~MM


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[Edited 1 times, lastly by MeddlingMage on March 01, 2009]

 
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Uh... I voted for bugger!
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
Uh... I voted for bugger!

Checking in from my mother's house... this looked like an exciting tiebreaker, but if OB voted for Bugger, then there is no tiebreaker. Kood maneuvered himself out of a tiebreaker by voting with me and OB... his prime suspects.

MM -- since this appears to be a result-changing clerical issue, can you address this? Is it a tie? Or did we lynch Bugger?

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Jaz I would like to know where and how I fit the wolf profile. I have made 2 different attempts to go after Bugger and both times you have stuck up for him. Why is that? Can you please explain this to me?

Every time I have tried to dissect the pile you want to come after me. Did I stumble across something? It's well known fact that it is hard for me to get people to go in my direction. But, it has been well placed on here that Bugger is way more suspicious than me.

I changed my play up. Finally have had almost a full game to try and do it. This makes you suspicious of me. That fits a wolf profile? If at any point you can say I made you think in my last post then there is doubt casted in your mind. Correct?

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I checked my sent PM's and I definitely voted for bugger.
 
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Going through my notes I have you O_B and Jazaray as voting for Bernek.

~MM

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...No srsly, I voted for bugger.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/Our_Benefactors/Random/votedBugger.jpg

 
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Well in light of the evidence, I guess I was mistaken,and I aplogize.
So w/o further adieu...

Bugger has been lynched by a 5-4 vote, which is good news for the villagers as he was a Werewolf.And not just an ordinary Werewolf...but the leader as well.

WW's, I will pm yo the name of the new leader.

Then I will need your kill and the Angels name ASAP.

~MM

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*Dies*
Good luck wolves.

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Here is some data. Piles and order of declaration.

We can break the votes down into these 3 piles:

Bugger:

Bernek (1)
PD (2)
OB (3)
Kood (4)
Thanos (5) (Undeclared)

Kood:

Bugger (1 but dead)
Bernie (2)
Revenger (3) (Undeclared)
Cait (4) (Undeclared)

Bernek:

Jazaray (1)

I am having a hard time believing that there are two wolves in the Bugger pile, that would be absurd. That means there is at least one wolf among 4 people.

Pile A:

Revenger
Bernie
Jazaray
Cait

There may be two, but I am pretty sure there is at least one. Here are the remaining people.

Pile B:

OB
PD
Thanos
Bernek

I think we should break it down this way. I will post my levels of suspicion post kill.

 
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Hey kood, I notice you seem curiously absent in pile B. For completeness, mind if we can get the piles with you in the appropriate place?

Pile A (EVERYONE WHO DIDN'T VOTE BUGGER):

Bernie
Cait
Jazaray
Revenger

Pile B (BUGGER PILE):

Bernek
kood
OB
PD
Thanos

I agree we should hold off discussion until after the kill, just wanted to get the piles right.

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