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Originally posted by puregoblinboy47:
I won't be playing anymore. I'm sick of the tracker doing the work for everyone.

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Dude, you really don't know what the tracker is.
It sounds like something utterly spectacular that does everything from sniff out wolves to sort your recyclables to grill your steaks- but PD's right. It's a glorified electronic notebook. All it is is an electronic, excel-driven form of what any player can do in a notebook with a pencil- just with a few extra buttons.
Also, FWIW, I don't really plan on using the tracker anymore. I used it last game and I feel my analysis work was subpar. I seem to get best results when I create my own tables, etc. because I think in really weird ways (I've gone into that before [I actually think I may have synesthesia, but that's irrelevant]) and looking at a bar of differently-colored names to indicate piles simply does not provide me with the same insight that a piece of computer paper with bubbles and handwritten names does. It works for PD, it works for Jaz. That's great. I prefer to do it myself. It's more time-consuming but I feel I'm a much better player for it.
The conception that I think many people have of the tracker (and the conception I had myself until I used it) is that it was this magic software that would basically do everything for you but compose your posts. That's not even close. There are many things the tracker does that I feel are shortcomings, and it's these areas about it that bother me the most. It's not that it's a bad software (not at all, I think it's crazy PD was able to whip up something so cool) but it's simply not geared for how I play. In other words, results may vary.

{SUMMARY: Explains to PGB what the tracker actually does, announces he will no longer be using it himself and states why.}

Lets get this game rolling!

~MM

Edit: This is the warning being issued to those who need it for their previous action. You and I know who you are and these people will recieve bans if there are any more wrong doings.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Dude, you really don't know what the tracker is.

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When passing judgement, it helps to know what you're talking about--and if you don't know, maybe you should reserve judgement and actually find out. It's called "having an informed opinion."

That said, and WRT to your comments Bugger, thanks. I'm sorry the tracker isn't quite what you need, but of course it is a codification of my approach to documenting this game--not likely to be a fit for everyone. (And FWIW, I think having a tracker running has forced wolves to play better.)

But, I'd love it if you could spend a couple hours with me sometime talking about how YOU approach this game WRT analysis--no doubt it would make me a better player and might give me ideas to make the tracker better. For example I thought Liq's use of variables based on a player's likelihood to eat or lynch certain people was interesting (even if it was phony)--it's not an approach I'd considered.

(I'd also love to hear what you think is deficient about the tracker. I'd really enjoy that. Perhaps you could mail me sometime when you have a moment.)

But yes if you are interested in doing pile analysis, and you don't want to do it with the tracker, you can do it with a whiteboard or post-it notes on a handy flat surface, like the nearest wall.

Piles are determined by votes, and as players die you can simply remove the post-its from the wall--same process of elimination that the tracker illustrates for you. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

{SUMMARY: discusses tracker and pile analysis with Bugger}

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Liq? Any interest? Someone with as many analyses and approaches to this game as you might find it rather useful--you probably could improve upon the design to include your own heuristics and algorithms.

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I currently have no interest in having the tracker.

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
I thought Liq's use of variables based on a player's likelihood to eat or lynch certain people was interesting (even if it was phony).

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It wasn't phony, just highly based on my personal opinion. I would have thought the same thing should I had been a villager last game.

I'm probably going to use Mafia 1.03 Posting Style (High Aggro) or Werewolf 1.02 Posting Style (Crypt Silent).

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
But, I'd love it if you could spend a couple hours with me sometime talking about how YOU approach this game WRT analysis

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PD, I know this wasn't directed towards me, but I would be completely down for discussing my game theory and approach with you. I enjoy discussing mafia/WW game theory.

As an aside, since we are on the topic: Although I like the tracker when it comes to asking "Hey, how many times did so and so post and who did they reference?" but outside of that, I like to do my own re-reads and analysis, and when it gets brought up by whoever (like the links to posts and tracker info), I usually skip it, as I feel it would skew my own analysis. Suffice to say I don't ignore PD's posts, but I ignore most of the information that is brought up by the tracker.
For example, when someone comes up as wolf, I will go back and look at all their posts, and see if they were defending/bussing/ignoring certain people. The tracker could give me the posts in ISO (I usually don't like reading player's posts in ISO), but I like to see how it applies to the given situation, and see if I can find anything worth noting.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
If there is room I am in

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Sorry Bernek, there was 17 at the time you posted this

Roles have been assignedd...as soon as I get the WW kill, the game will begin!

~MM

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
PD, I know this wasn't directed towards me, but I would be completely down for discussing my game theory and approach with you. I enjoy discussing mafia/WW game theory...

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However, I'm not going to get much of a chance to chat over the coming weeks, because in addition to my wife being away for an extended trip, I have:

Graduation Photoshoot, June 4
Party Photoshoot, June 6
Dress Rehearsal Shoot, June 11
School Dance Shoot, June 12
Dance Recital Performance Shoot (two performances), June 13
MOTL NE Summer Party, June 20

And a bajillion photos to process. I've processed all the photos from my big costume shoot on 5/17 but I'm still getting the orders out the door and will be very busy doing that for the next couple days.

Crazy busy! But I am really having fun, and I like the reactions I am getting to my work. (Had a parent comment to me the other day that the only reason she brought her daughter to the costume shoot was that she knew I was going to be the photographer. Yay!)

So anyway, I'm a bit strapped for time these days... but I think things will start to calm down toward the end of June.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Sorry Bernek, there was 17 at the time you posted this

Roles have been assignedd...as soon as I get the WW kill, the game will begin!

~MM

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Any day Werewolves

~MM

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1. AlmasterGM
2. Battle_of_Twits
3. BernieB
4. Bugger
5. fwybwed
6. GottaLoveElves
7. hilikuS
8. JackSpade
9. Jazaray
10. Liq
11. MasterWolf
12. Montague
13. PlasteredDragon
14. ryan2754
15. TheMidnightBomber
16. ThoughtsofLepers
17. XplicitR

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TJ picked Jack
Amala picked TMB.

TJ did such a good job last time, that I'm going with him this round. So, voting Jack!

{Voting: Jack(TJ's pick)}

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom.

I know he left under a bit of a cloud back in WW9, and posted some angry stuff at Bugger and Jaz. But I seriously doubt either of them as wolves would be foolish enough to take him out first on his next game.

He is a mid-tier player, and IIRC not really silent--nearly average in his post count I think. He has shown himself to be quite competent in the past (WW3.2 springs to mind, #573).

At present nothing really jumps out at me. Could just be a random kill like the wolves did last game. What do others think?

For now, I'm declaring no vote--want to observe and gather data.

@Jaz: thank you for using the tags! I wish other people would use them too.

{SUMMARY: musing on Monty kill, no vote yet.}

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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
I vote BernieB.

Reason: he is entirely unreadable. This is a HUGE issue and liability later in the game where you either have to a) spend a critical, possibly game ending lynch on him based on little to no substantial data or b) give him a free pass. Both of these scenarios suck, so I think we should just deal with the issue now.

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AGM has good logic, but I don't feel bernie is quite the liability others make him out to be. Certainly he is extremely quiet, and stubborn, but he recognizes the need for cit unity in the later rounds and has no problem with sacrificing his own target for the groups. Often he can make pretty good arguments for his target if he needs to.

My vote is undecided as of now, but like always I'll stick with an unhelpful/quiet poster as default and if something more suspicious comes up (as it usually does) I'll reevaluate from there.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Montague is the r0, werewolf kill.
And to think that I asked him to join

~MM

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Originally posted by Bugger:
but I don't feel bernie is quite the liability others make him out to be.

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Currently Voting :
 
• BernieB

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ToT : Name : W1 :
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+01 : AGM  : +1
+01 : GLE  : +1
+01 : PD   : +1
+01 : RYAN : +1
+01 : BOT  : +1
+00 : TOL  : +0
+00 : BUG  : +0
+00 : FWYB : +0
+00 : XPR  : +0
+00 : TMB  : +0
-01 : JAZ  : -1
-01 : BB   : -1
-01 : MW   : -1
-01 : JACK : -1
-01 : HILI : -1
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-01 : MNTY : -1

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Suspicion Level :
 

• High :
   
  {52%} : BernieB
  {52%} : Jazaray
  {51%} : PD
  {51%} : GLE
  {51%} : B_o_T
  {51%} : ryan
   
  
• Mid :
   
  {50%} : AlmasterGM
  {50%} : T_o_L
  {50%} : Bugger
  {50%} : fwybwed
  {50%} : Xplicit
  {50%} : TheMidnightBomber
   
  
• Mid :
   
  {49%} : MasterWolf
  {49%} : JackSpade
  {49%} : Hilikus

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{VOTING: PD (Spite)}
{SUSPECT: MM (Guy knows EVERYTHING!!!)}
{TRUST: Nder (seems like a nice guy)}
{SUMMARY: Messing with the tracker}

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