CM Punk
R-Truth
Del Rio
Swagger
Miz
McIntyre
Ziggler

Oh, and a lot of faces

Cena
Big Show
Morrison
Mysterio

Looks like this is possibly a push for Sheamus, Sin Cara, Kane, Barrett, and possibly for the Corre to expand their careers (which I think would be great because I love Gabriel and think Barrett is a good heel). Maybe they want Christian to be the new Edge.
And I agree Henry is not championship caliber material.
I would be upset if I were some of the heels on Raw - so many that a few people are going to get pushed aside.

Given these moves, I see no big pushes at the major titles for Big Show, Mysterio, Swagger, and ultimately R-Truth (even with heel turn). If they pulled all these heels over, they should have sent Punk to Smackdown.

I'll give Creative a chance to do their thing before I make any more judgments.

~MM

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Surprise, John Cena is INCAPABLE of losing an 'I quit' match, even two on one. YAWN! Coulda saw that one coming.
Orton beating Christian, saw that from a mile away. I really have gotten sick of Orton lately.
Looks like Kane and Big Shows fate is now the Tag Team route. Maybe they are trying to reinstill some power to Tag Team title, but I don't see it.
The Corre interrupting a match again to retain title...surprise...not.

Still don't understand why all the good heels are on Raw.

On a better note, anyone watch WWE Tough Enough? I really enjoy it. I'm not usually a Reality TV guy (only real reality TV I watch is The Colony), but I would be intrigued to see how well I caught on with some of the wrestling stuff. Definitely would have the charisma, just don't have the body (ever since College Football was over, don't really care haha - let my body go to the wayside - medical school doesn't help either). Sucks that some of the best (Martin and Ivalisse) got hurt. I thought Ivalisse had a marketable look, and Martin was strong inside the ring, but never really saw any personality.

If I had to pick a winner, it'd be either Andy or Luke. Luke has the appeal/marketability, and Andy has the size.

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
Wow, results of Over the Limit couldn't have been more predictable. The only surprise was R-Truth winning.

Surprise, John Cena is INCAPABLE of losing an 'I quit' match, even two on one. YAWN! Coulda saw that one coming.
Orton beating Christian, saw that from a mile away. I really have gotten sick of Orton lately.
Looks like Kane and Big Shows fate is now the Tag Team route. Maybe they are trying to reinstill some power to Tag Team title, but I don't see it.
The Corre interrupting a match again to retain title...surprise...not.

Still don't understand why all the good heels are on Raw.

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Agree 100%, but this is what we get when there are only 3 weeks between PPVs. If WWE were to go to a PPV every 4-6 weeks, the product would be better not only on the PPV but on tv as well and subsequently make more money for WWE. Unfortunately, Vince doesn't think more time to develop story lines and feuds is necessary since WWE has no competition.

After watching Tough Enough and Superstars and WWE NXT, I think the talent is out there. I think members of the Corre are very talented, but Vince seems intent on keeping them a group. I feel the young talent is there, but outside of say Del Rio and Sin Cara, they get stuck on their respective show (mainly WWE Superstars - Trent Baretta and the like) or get shoved back down to Florida Developmental and what not.
I like Christian and all, but this push after 17 years is kinda weird. I miss Jericho haha. His persona is classic.
It just seems like Vince is still trying to latch on to the last threads of guys like Kane, Big Show, etc. instead of pushing younger talent.

Where is Jericho?
Where is Batista?
Where is Rob Van Dam?

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Just started watching again last couple of weeks. A few questions:

Where is Jericho?
Where is Batista?
Where is Rob Van Dam?

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Jericho: Doing other projects. May or may not return.
Batista: Trying to become a MMA fighter, I think in Strikeforce.
RVD: Wrestles for Impact (formerly TNA)

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Jericho: Doing other projects. May or may not return.
Batista: Trying to become a MMA fighter, I think in Strikeforce.
RVD: Wrestles for Impact (formerly TNA)

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IIRC, I saw an article where he said he was forsure coming back to WWE, but I think he wanted to do something else after DwtS.

Batista? MMA? I didn't know that. Interesting. I loved to hate him.

So do you think the Cena-Miz feud is over? Think Miz might be going to Smackdown?
Again this opinions is based on the fact that all the heels are on raw - SOMEONE needs to go over to Smackdown.

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
So do you think the Cena-Miz feud is over? Think Miz might be going to Smackdown?
Again this opinions is based on the fact that all the heels are on raw - SOMEONE needs to go over to Smackdown.

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Yes the feud is over (for now). It's gone as far as it can. They will eventually come back to it because they're not going to drop Miz to mid card like they did Sheamus (who, btw, will wind up back at the top once he has more experience). I doubt they move Miz to SD. Punk is about to leave (contract is up and he hasn't resigned), and if they move Miz to SD, Raw will be left with Del Rio as the only top heal to 3 top faces (Cena, Mysterio, Morrison).

As for the Raw heal issue, there are a lot of heals in WWE right now due to four top faces being out or gone. Taker and HHH are "healing" after thee WM match and should be back by Summer Slam, Morrison is out due to injury, and Edge was just forced to retire. Once Taker, HHH, and Morrison get back it will be more balanced. Also, Jericho could return as a face.

R-Truth? Ziggler?

I guess on the whole you are right, I just think SD needs a better heel than Mark Henry and Barrett and Sheamus.

So Punk might leave? Going to Impact or becoming an announcer (which I thought was going to be the case before he created new nexus). Interesting.

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Del Rio only? Really?

R-Truth? Ziggler?

I guess on the whole you are right, I just think SD needs a better heel than Mark Henry and Barrett and Sheamus.

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Truth isn't there yet. He's on his way, but he's only been a heal for about a month. IMO, that not enough time to become a top heal. Ziggler who? When he gets a push and shows up on tv more than once every other week he could get there, but as of now he's stuck in the same mid-card rut McIntyre is in.

As for Sheamus, he's one the top heals in the company, and now he gets the chance to prove it again on SD. Over the last 2-3 years, SD's creative team has consistently developed stars. Being on SD will only help Sheamus get to the next level (he's already got a World Title shot at Capital Punishment).

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So Punk might leave? Going to Impact or becoming an announcer (which I thought was going to be the case before he created new nexus). Interesting.

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No one knows what Punk is going to do except take some time off after his contract expires.

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Minor neck surgery to alleviate pain from a pinched nerve. Recovery time is 4-8 weeks.

second i hate this a-rod feud if he is fired from miz's contract then he should be sent to smackdown asap he ia smackdown competitor and then the miz resumes his hunt for his championship.

third i found it odd that macho man dies (no offense) and then big show gets hit a car? really?

fourth is christain turning heel it looks like it?.

fifth r-truth is not ready for big belt as he cannot beat the cheater, heck no one can until he stops cheating. i think the miz is the only person smart enough to beat john cheater.

sixth WTF? Karma can we get a match please???

seventh what did drew do wrong to be stuck in dead zone? if nothing else send him back to smd where he can shine as the lack of heels is scary.

eightth (not sure on that spelling) i know i may be hated for this but wrestlemania 27 was the worst wrestlemania ever, only 1 good match and that was taker and HHH the rock spent too much time yapping and then the tag matches seemed very rushed. this Rock storyline needs to go away as john cheater can not keep the belt for a year no f-ing way. all those other champion worthy people should be able to just murder john cheater. seriously a champion holding belt for almost a year. talk about storyline murdering. what do other top stars on raw do just bow down to the cheatnation?

very sad right now to watch wwe raw. smackdown is only worth watching for orton and christain.

i refuse to watch impact for the hack job they did to jeff. as he is now a scapegoat for hatred when truthfully tna screwed him.

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first things first about over the limit i actually found it not so predicatble as i did not see truth winning and i thought cena could actually win without cheating. henceforth his new name is john cheater. since he now has refs in his pocket. i also though christain would win or it would be double k.o.

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Cena didn't cheat. Miz did by having Alex Riley use the recording of Cena saying "I Quit" to get the win. The ref saw the recording device, and restarted the match, which is part of the job for refs in prowrestling. If you don't like Cena that's fine, but come up with a real reason, not one based off a lack of knowledge about pro wrestling.

Orton is a bigger star than Christian, and that's why the match was predictable. Christian will probably become a heal since SD only has 1 top heal at the moment (Sheamus, fyi).

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second i hate this a-rod feud if he is fired from miz's contract then he should be sent to smackdown asap he ia smackdown competitor and then the miz resumes his hunt for his championship.

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The Miz-Riley feud will be a short one to get Riley over as a wrestler. Miz will have to wait because Cena's going into a feud with the departing CM Punk, then probably R-Truth. Also, in case you haven't noticed, the "brands" aren't really separated. SD wrestlers appear on Raw quite often. That's why Bragging Rights is such a joke.

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third i found it odd that macho man dies (no offense) and then big show gets hit a car? really?

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Yes really. You think the show stops just because a wrestler dies? That doesn't happen unless a current star dies, and it rarely happens then, and I doubt it happens again after Vince cancled Raw when Benoit died.

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fifth r-truth is not ready for big belt as he cannot beat the cheater, heck no one can until he stops cheating. i think the miz is the only person smart enough to beat john cheater.

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I agree that Truth isnt ready for a title run, but because he just turned heal and has to be taken seriously as a contender and he's not there yet. Cena and Truth haven't had a one-on-one match since Truth turned heal, making whether Truth can beat Cena or not a non factor. And it's pro wrestling. A wrestler's "intelligence" has nothing to do with who wins and who losses.

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seventh what did drew do wrong to be stuck in dead zone? if nothing else send him back to smd where he can shine as the lack of heels is scary.

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Give it time. He'll be there soon enough if he's any good. For now, he'll have to pay his dues on the mid card.

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eightth (not sure on that spelling) i know i may be hated for this but wrestlemania 27 was the worst wrestlemania ever, only 1 good match and that was taker and HHH the rock spent too much time yapping and then the tag matches seemed very rushed. this Rock storyline needs to go away as john cheater can not keep the belt for a year no f-ing way. all those other champion worthy people should be able to just murder john cheater. seriously a champion holding belt for almost a year. talk about storyline murdering. what do other top stars on raw do just bow down to the cheatnation?

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Holding the belt for a year (which I dont see happening) IS NOT story line murder. Cent held the belt for over a year, JBL held it for close to a year if not more, and Hogan held the WCW title for a year (dropping it to Goldberg 7/97) and neither run killed a story line or angle. And the longer the title run the better. Titles changing hands every month or two is ridiculous and deminishes the importance of the belts.

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i refuse to watch impact for the hack job they did to jeff. as he is now a scapegoat for hatred when truthfully tna screwed him.

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also the macho man thing i met the fact that it was unorignal for show to get hit by car

yes i understand but annonoucing the year holding is bad.

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Originally posted by darius vitrosoo:
using a tape recorder in i quit match is legal it was done before.

also the macho man thing i met the fact that it was unorignal for show to get hit by car

yes i understand but annonoucing the year holding is bad.

jeff hardy

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1) A tape recorder is only legal if you don't get caught. Also, what was the other match(s) that a tape recorder was used in, and did the person using it get caught?

2) A lot of things in wrestling aren't original. Pro wrestling is very formulaic. Show getting hit by a car, while unoriginal, was necessary for Show's and/or Kane's story line with Del Rio. It also had nothing to with Macho Man's death as he crashed his car after suffering a heart attack.

3) Rock vs Cena is, as of now, NOT a title match. Cena just happens to be champion right now. If it were announced as a title match now, who would want to watch a match we already know the outcome to? Rock isn't making a full return, which means that he's not going to win a championship match vs Cena at WM28. Rock vs Cena will be a one time deal non-title match. With Del Rio, Miz, Truth, Morrison, Mysterio, Ziggler, and HHH (and Jericho if he returns on Raw) all on Raw it's unlikely Cena's still champ at the end of the year.

cena and rock is title cheater annonced that back on rocks b-day.

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jeff came stoned because of what was going to happen to him immortal was going to drop him like bad garbage and leave him bloody in ring, **** i would get high to

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i looked it up, bischoff made match no dq so immortal could destroy jeff and hand the belt to sting as sting being champ was a condition on him coming back

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