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Nitelite Member	posted March 21, 2012 02:19 AM quote: I only ask this because it seems like he is rather busy, and I wont say he doesn't care about this site anymore(it is his baby after all) but he just has more important pressing needs in his life....maybe he steps down? Like, is their ANY insight towards any policy change? Potential handing over of the site? Etc etc... So pressing that he can't devout 10 minutes to finalize whatever decision him and the other staff have come to. I know there are a lot of Leshrac apologists on here and I get it. We are all thankful for the site and MOTL in general but sheesh, put SOME time into it. I know the mods do their best given the situation but we really need at least one active admin maintaining the site. In the past, at least we got the price guide updated in a timely manner when a set was released. We don't even have that anymore. Can't someone be trained that cares to do this?
hilikuS Member	posted March 22, 2012 11:33 AM quote: Originally posted by flophaus: memebers! Shouldn't those be restricted to 4chan or something?
B14ckM4g3 Member	posted March 22, 2012 07:34 PM If nothing else, I would be interested in being member that could be the 'new leshrac'. I appreciate the site and everything he has done. But like other members, I feel that this site is on the far backburner. I first joined this site almost 10 years ago. You know whats changed? Nothing. Of all the suggestions in the suggestion forum, all of the issues currently at hand, and problems over the years nothing has changed. it's the same as it was 10 years ago. I'm not saying I want a complete overhaul, but some simple udpates and maybe a facelift would be great. I have no idea if this site makes money. And that wouldn't be my goal -- I would literaly only want to break even. I would not bring in advertising of third parties. maybe ill be ignored. maybe im not suitable. But I am willing and teachable. And I have time (I'm constantly online here) to devote to the site. And when my time came to no longer care for the site, I would let people know instead of.... well whatever it is that leshrac does instead of being here. Besides talking to the mods, when was the last time he even made a post? This isn't a leshrac bashing thread. I'm just saying that maybe it is time to pass the torch.
Zeckk Member	posted March 22, 2012 08:03 PM I disagree, blackmagic. I enjoy the bare-bones aspect of the site, and aside from some search functionality issues and the current sending rules issue, this site is fantastic for it's intended purpose. More to the point, I think it would be (another) distraction from the issue at hand, which is an update/clarification on the sending rules. I do have to agree with the other posters that it's been more than enough time for leshrac to issue a update on the issue. I'm just hoping he's not taking the wait-till-this-blows-over approach.
B14ckM4g3 Member	posted March 23, 2012 01:53 AM Zecck im not referring to a massive 'facebook' update. just some things l like a link to you non-magic h/w list, trade auction list, logout button, upgraded search engine/filter. nothing serious. small things that have been suggested and for lack of a better word 'ignored'.
hilikuS Member	posted March 23, 2012 05:52 PM So are we hoping this all blows over and becomes a non-issue, or will there be a decision on it?
revenger Member	posted March 23, 2012 06:51 PM Despite Motl's "probs", sending issues, lack of price updates, and to hear from the admin"s of Leshrac, Inca, I personally still DO NOT think there is another better trading site on the net. If & when these issues gets fixed, okay then. If not, well nothing is perfect. I am sure everyone will or will not agree with me on this, but seriously, I feel is magictraders.com and other trading sites. That's it. Don't get me started on salvation..............................My only suggestion is maybe, a current mod takes over the founder's responsibilties. Sorta like exchanging of the guards. I'm not here to jab or lecture any mod or the site's admins. Jusr voicing my opinion. and I can't find any posts by me on here till not.... __________________ Motl member since November 1, 2000 Your 2008 and 2010 Motl Siskel & Ebert award winner! 38th in refs on Motl! - 4 behind whocares First in refs in state of Arizona!
Vegas10 Member	posted March 23, 2012 08:33 PM With all the advances in the mailing industry since this site has been created, it would be nice if they updated the rules on trading a bit, there is alot more ways to track shipments then there was then, and the rules of the site should be updated to reflect that, but if what is being expresses is true ( I don't know one way or the other) that the Admins don't spend alot of time with this site, then that is unlikley to happen, and if it has been this way a while I doubt they are going to turn it over to other people or else I'm sure that would have been done already.
thror Member	posted March 25, 2012 11:27 AM Unless ive missed something, we havent heard from Inca since the TENTH. A little help here?? wtf is going on. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
Dragon_Summoner Member	posted March 25, 2012 03:02 PM We are waiting to hear from Les. He is the ultimate say in this.
Thanos Member	posted March 25, 2012 03:42 PM quote: Originally posted by Dragon_Summoner: We are waiting to hear from Les. He is the ultimate say in this. Cool, I wasn't sure what was going on here, thanks for letting us know.
Zeckk Member	posted March 25, 2012 04:09 PM It still shouldn't be taking this long. Either they intend to update the rules or they don't. Even if they do, announcing their intentions takes only a moment.
Truman Member	posted March 26, 2012 08:55 PM As someone who's worked claims resolution, I can't tell you how hard I'd laugh at someone asking me to issue them a refund with the excuse "I left town and I think someone took my package from my mailbox." It's pretty sad that this was even an issue that was looked at, let alone decided in favor of someone who admittedly has no idea what happened to their shippment despite a confirmation of delivery by the shipping company.
Bagbokk Member	posted March 26, 2012 09:38 PM quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: It still shouldn't be taking this long. Either they intend to update the rules or they don't. Even if they do, announcing their intentions takes only a moment. I'd give them some credit, though an update (even a "we're still discussing it") would be nice. If they originally intended the rule to be this way and believe that it has always been this way (even if some/many members thought otherwise), then such a change in policy is not something that they realistically should make overnight. Given inca's responses in this thread and the bunch of members that disagreed with the ruling/with inca to begin with, I'm sure there's at least some disagreement over what they should do, and the fact that they're taking this long likely reflects discussions over that disagreement, rather than laziness or worse as some people have started to suggest. [Edited 2 times, lastly by Bagbokk on March 26, 2012]
daner Member	posted March 26, 2012 10:25 PM quote: Originally posted by Bagbokk: and the fact that they're taking this long likely reflects The answer you're looking for is "nothing". I'm sorry, I don't want to be the one to bring it up again...but if it's taking this long then someone should come out and tell us "we are still debating". Nobody has to give us exact details, and nobody should get upset at them for a lack of details...but something should be said. The longer this plays out with "all quiet on the western front" mentality the worse it's going to eventually be I believe. Again, I will say it, I don't want to get anyone upset but something needs to be done soon. Hopefully we get answers, and hopefully like 'em or not people are a little more respectful this time of the moderators. But....something needs to happen, this is gone on too long and is far too simple yet important to have this "lull".
Jazaray Moderator	posted March 26, 2012 10:33 PM Sorry guys, I know you've all been waiting patiently for a decision for this. Just know that Leshie has asked us for our opinions on the matter, and it he has throw out a new option for consideration. Please be patient just a bit longer. <3 And Daner, you can call me Queen, if you want to :-* Thanks, Jazaray __________________ A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick: There was a nice lassie named Jaz Many wished to have what she has, A delicate face, A soft warm embrace, And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz. WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom. Jaz is now selling Tupperware! Help her out! ;)
caquaa Member	posted March 26, 2012 10:48 PM I just want exceptions to be an exceptional circumstance in a trade. I don't want exceptions to the rule to be the norm. Hopefully whatever outcome, we can trade/sell and not feel the need to ask the other party for an exception every time.
Bagbokk Member	posted March 27, 2012 01:39 AM quote: The answer you're looking for is "nothing". Wrong. Not that I needed to tell you that you're wrong since Jaz already posted giving us an update, but your response was quite unnecessary to begin with. Is continued discussion healthy? Yep. Does the fact that Leshrac hasn't posted here (he never does) or inca (who hasn't posted here in a long time outside of this thread and only said that he would answer questions through that Saturday), or that the mods hadn't given us continued updates reflect "nothing?" Nope. There's stuff going on in the background, they just don't give us play by plays. I appreciate Jaz stopping by to give us an update. And yep, I still agree with caquaa and everything else that I've already said before. [Edited 3 times, lastly by Bagbokk on March 27, 2012]
Mr. Ruboonia Member	posted March 31, 2012 11:20 AM Can someone that is familiar with these happenings please update me? I can't read through all ten pages. I just sealed a deal internationally and would like to know what I should do to cover my bases. He's sending first. Just say "I'm not responsible for lost mail if it occurs?" What's best: insured or normal packaging with the disclaimer? It appears delivery confirmation has no merit on this site anymore or did I misinterpret the ruling? Thanks. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Mr. Ruboonia on March 31, 2012]
Timmyhill Member	posted March 31, 2012 01:02 PM Well depending on the cost of the cards being traded you should always by the insurance unless you have the cash laying around to replace the damaged/lost cards.
Volcanon Member	posted March 31, 2012 05:38 PM quote: Originally posted by Timmyhill: Well depending on the cost of the cards being traded you should always by the insurance unless you have the cash laying around to replace the damaged/lost cards. The point is, you're going to want the receiver to agree that if the postal service indicates that the item was received, then you are released from liability. No postal service in the world will pay out insurance if they have a record of the item being delivered, so buying insurance is largely pointless.
Dragon_Summoner Member	posted March 31, 2012 06:46 PM Mr. Ruboonia The post topic says it all. Basically it boils down to a case where one person went on vacation and returned and there were no cards there. The sender had DC on the package and it was ruled that the sender should have paid for insurance and should send again. Many times in the cases it has been ruled in cases as long as you had DC it was considered delivered. The thread is basically us talking about our feelings, and the changes we feel should come about. Anyway, you really should read the 10 pages when you get a chance to get a better feel for the story. Ben [Edited 1 times, lastly by Dragon_Summoner on March 31, 2012]
Mr. Ruboonia Member	posted March 31, 2012 07:45 PM quote: Originally posted by Dragon_Summoner: Mr. Ruboonia The post topic says it all. Basically it boils down to a case where one person went on vacation and returned and there were no cards there. The sender had DC on the package and it was ruled that the sender should have paid for insurance and should send again. Many times in the cases it has been ruled in cases as long as you had DC it was considered delivered. The thread is basically us talking about our feelings, and the changes we feel should come about. Anyway, you really should read the 10 pages when you get a chance to get a better feel for the story. Ben That's absolutely ridiculous. I've been on here for a long time and that's right up there with the most asinine claims I've heard. I'll have to look into this myself.
Thanos Member	posted April 03, 2012 06:43 PM Seemed like this was starting to fall down the list, need's to be on everyone's mind.
Volcanon Member	posted April 03, 2012 08:41 PM Just as a reminder to ask all buyers to agree that we aren't responsible for lost mail once the package is marked delievered?

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