Leshrac doesn't care, this site hasn't probably crossed his mind in a long time. There will be no further changes or explainations.

Don't give up on MOTL.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom.

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Originally posted by Pharmerben:
This is such a joke. The most trivial things here are policed so well. Now we have a major issue and nothing is happening. What a joke.

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Originally posted by Dragon_Summoner:
He very well maybe mulling over it. No problem. The problem is not that he has posted on the mod forum, its the fact that he cant take even a min out of his time to post directly on here to the public. It show lack of concern for us. Not only that, but it feels the exactly the same as the suggestion forum. I feel that suggestion from people are just falling on deaf ears. "Its fine how it is now why change it." Has always been the motto of suggestions. Why even bother making suggestions if they are automatically shot down? Why when several people agree with them and a person is willing to help work with it told no? It feels as though we are speaking but no sounds are getting over to the mods. Why should I stay here at this site, when my opinion does not matter? I wonder how many other people are asking the same question.

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You don't seem to understand, we as mods can't DO anything to the site. We can't change it, we can't add or remove features. We can't "fix" ANYTHING except for forum announcements and changing email addresses. It's nice that people want to help implement things, but we mods aren't the ones to talk to, nor the ones to expect to fix or implement any of this stuff. And not all suggestions are shot down, either.

I can't speak for any of the other mods, but I love MOTL and it's community. I (and the other mods) devote a TON of time on this site, trying to solve the issues that I can. Trying my best to make it as safe of a trading site as possible. Showing that I DO care about you guys, as well as your opinions (I may not AGREE with all your opinions ). I offer third party services (which I do not charge for) to make trading a bit safer for everyone (and affordable). I've been allowing the use of my paypal account, my address and such for members to buy/sell things on MOTL and/or Ebay. I've met members in person to exchange trades as well. I can't even count how many MOTLers have my personal cell phone number. One member texts or calls me at LEAST 4 or so times a week (three times just tonight...) with rules violations or questions about trades, the BTA process or the site in general. I organized a MOTL party in Rhode Island, where I met four MOTLers (two of whom are banned now, one who will not come to the site anymore ) I'm honestly at a loss at what more to do to prove that MOTL is a place worth staying at. That we DO care about all of you. :-\

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
You don't seem to understand, we as mods can't DO anything to the site. We can't change it, we can't add or remove features. We can't "fix" ANYTHING except for forum announcements and changing email addresses. It's nice that people want to help implement things, but we mods aren't the ones to talk to, nor the ones to expect to fix or implement any of this stuff. And not all suggestions are shot down, either.

I can't speak for any of the other mods, but I love MOTL and it's community. I (and the other mods) devote a TON of time on this site, trying to solve the issues that I can. Trying my best to make it as safe of a trading site as possible. Showing that I DO care about you guys, as well as your opinions (I may not AGREE with all your opinions ). I offer third party services (which I do not charge for) to make trading a bit safer for everyone (and affordable). I've been allowing the use of my paypal account, my address and such for members to buy/sell things on MOTL and/or Ebay. I've met members in person to exchange trades as well. I can't even count how many MOTLers have my personal cell phone number. One member texts or calls me at LEAST 4 or so times a week (three times just tonight...) with rules violations or questions about trades, the BTA process or the site in general. I organized a MOTL party in Rhode Island, where I met four MOTLers (two of whom are banned now, one who will not come to the site anymore ) I'm honestly at a loss at what more to do to prove that MOTL is a place worth staying at. That we DO care about all of you. :-\

Thanks,
Jazaray

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I'm honestly at a loss at what more to do to prove that MOTL is a place worth staying at. That we DO care about all of you. :-\

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It's not you Jaz. It's the people who CAN do something who are NOT doing anything. the people are right, this has been too long. Myself personally finished up my last few trades, sold a few cards with new stipulations that had to be agreed to in writing beforehand before trade confirmation, and have only been browsing this site since. Until this issue is settled, I don't see me trading here anymore. It's not the community, the community is the same. It's the opinions within the community that have changed, and those in power 'mulling it over' without actually doing anything supportive WHATESOEVER. Even a simple post from leshrac, a 30 second or less timespan to post, claim he will not respond to any further posts, is aware of this, and is reveiwing policies with other admins/mods would by an amazing act on his behalf. And only amazing because there has been so incredibly little action that any action taken would be greatly emphasized upon.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
You don't seem to understand, we as mods can't DO anything to the site. We can't change it, we can't add or remove features. We can't "fix" ANYTHING except for forum announcements and changing email addresses. It's nice that people want to help implement things, but we mods aren't the ones to talk to, nor the ones to expect to fix or implement any of this stuff. And not all suggestions are shot down, either.

I can't speak for any of the other mods, but I love MOTL and it's community. I (and the other mods) devote a TON of time on this site, trying to solve the issues that I can. Trying my best to make it as safe of a trading site as possible. Showing that I DO care about you guys, as well as your opinions (I may not AGREE with all your opinions ). I offer third party services (which I do not charge for) to make trading a bit safer for everyone (and affordable). I've been allowing the use of my paypal account, my address and such for members to buy/sell things on MOTL and/or Ebay. I've met members in person to exchange trades as well. I can't even count how many MOTLers have my personal cell phone number. One member texts or calls me at LEAST 4 or so times a week (three times just tonight...) with rules violations or questions about trades, the BTA process or the site in general. I organized a MOTL party in Rhode Island, where I met four MOTLers (two of whom are banned now, one who will not come to the site anymore ) I'm honestly at a loss at what more to do to prove that MOTL is a place worth staying at. That we DO care about all of you. :-\

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Jaz I might have been a little harsh in what I said before. I realize the mods cant do anything, but its always them responding to say no. Its never Inca, nor Lesh responding that way, the ones who can change it. Its why I said mods and I should have thought more before I posted that. I am sorry. Believe me Jaz. I have talked with you enough to know your serious about this community and love it. I honestly am glad that you were put on because that was the best decision I feel this site has made. Its just high time that the owner speaks up and says something on what alot of us feel is a worthwhile subject. At the very least, I will commend Inca, nderdog and of course you jaz for speaking up during this dispute. I know it drains you Jaz seeing people have this kinda problem and not being able to fix it.

Thanks again Jaz for being the heart and passion of the community.

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Thanks for proving my point exactly slinga. It shows me so much that your listening and open to change. Evidently its not working now. Otherwise there would not have been any reason for this discussion to be formed, and for it to go on this long. So there is a reason to change it. Your just like surveyors of old. When new technology came out they were scared to adjust. You know what ended up happening to the ones who did not upgrade. They went out of business. We are lucky enough in the community that it wont happen but all it does is cause tension. If you want to keep the people unhappy just keep that mentality. You know whats funny though, I used to think the same way when I first signed up. Saw the suggestions and thought why do that its perfect. But as I become older, I am beginning to see room for improvement. However the frame of mind as presented from the above post I become less and less impressed with this site and the way it is managed.

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Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
MOTL was working fine before, and it's still working fine now.

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and im sure this topic is proof of that. I agree with DS, especially the part where you sound like the surveyors of old.

MOTL boats of 50,000+ members. I would imagine that this number is probably closer to 5,000 active members, with the remainder being 80% dead accounts, 10% lurker accounts, and 10% people who randomly drop by for whatever reason (such as to see how this site has not changed)

MOTL moderators are quick to jump on any topic that is deemed 'off-topic' to the thread, but yet see no problem with the 20+ pages of dead threads on EVERY forum that just sit there taking up bandwith.

The suggestions forum is a ****poor joke. Make a suggestion? Burn in flames. I have yet to see any suggestion ever made be considered even in the slightest. Moreso just re-routed to 'try this instead'. Such as the log-out button. Just delete my cookies. Do you have any idea how many cookies I have stored? Delete them all just to log out of motl? Foolishness. One example of many (how about our immaculate reference system?)

Face it -- This site needs an overhaul. And probably new owners. There are so many options, that cost little to nothing, that are available to MOTL to 'upgrade' to that it astounds me that in 12+ years nothing has changed.

You know what has changed in 12+ years? Me. And probably a majority of this community. And obviously, as this topic has shown, many members are not quite happy with the way things are around here.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Thing is, the current state of affairs is only an issue for noobs. Anybody who knows about this should be getting their trading partners to agree to something like "when it is marked delivered, you are deemed to have received it."

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One could look at it like that Volcanon, but the problem is that question is going to be asked to non noobs and noobs alike, every single trade. What we are asking for here is a new rule that is going to be incorporates into the rules file so that we do have to keep asking the same question. What happens if we forget to ask? Then we have the same problem as what happened in the case that started this affair. No offense to either party of that case as they are NOT under discussion here. That's what this topic was aiming to fix over a month ago along with using Non Signature DC as the preferred method of confirmation to spend less money. Instead we are given the same story of "Well just do this..." Doesnt it make sense that the rules should be adjusted to match what we are all going to be asking in our emails to everyone? I mean if someone tells you to put a log down over 10 feet away from where its suppose to go, wouldnt you ask why your not going to just put it on top of the pile? Doesnt it save you from having to pick it up twice or even leaving it there by accident? The only thing we were waiting on was an explanation why or why not Non Signature DC would work from Lesh. And to get it written into the rules document.

That's all we are looking for out of this. I probably should not have brought the whole suggestion forum into it but this same thing always happens there is happening here.

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Originally posted by Dragon_Summoner:
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Yes, rules aren't always the most efficient. Should small business owners be constantly forced to make personal guarantees? Probably not. But they do.

Regards this site, the market will decide.

The norm on this site has become that virtually everybody demands that you immunize them from claims of lost mail or you pay expensive shipping often worth more than the card itself.

This renders a lot of purchases and trades on this site non-economical versus other options. Actually getting your stuff and relying on the sender not just taking your money is very valuable consideration. That's unheard-of for most other kinds of internet shopping/trading. And the prices here aren't low enough to compensate for that additional risk.

That's not the base rules of the site, and when I started here the only person who said not responsible for lost mail was Slinga.

I imagine the same would be here to a smaller extent: You're giving up your right to say that the package was "stolen" after it was delivered.

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Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
MOTL was working fine before, and it's still working fine now.

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Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
MOTL was working fine before, and it's still working fine now.

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