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ErikTheMighty
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posted October 20, 2013 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ErikTheMighty   Click Here to Email ErikTheMighty     
I think this is our pal again. He's using the handle "TheDarkAngel", all the refs are several years old, location is Canada, and the listed email is a hotmail account.

He proposed a trade to me and was very pushy. I got suspicious and checked him out a little more, then decided to play along for a minute and see what happened. He was quick to reply and accommodating of my requests up until I told him to send first. Here's a transcript of our messages in reverse order.

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Sure. Mind shipping first? All your references are from years ago.
----- Original Message -----
Yea ok i guess i dont really need them anyway

Confirm that we have a deal so we can exchange adress and ship as soon as possible!

Thx
----- Original Message -----
Throw in a temple?

----- Original Message -----
Ill give you 2 ooze and 1 obzedat for your mesa
Give me some news
----- Original Message -----
You know what, make me an offer out of the cards you've listed. I'll want a bit of a premium too since its your standard for my modern

----- Original Message -----
Yea jap is no problem. I need to make a new list though, mine was badly outdated

Give me some news
----- Original Message -----
Hey yeah, I think there's a potential trade in there. Do you care if the mesa is Japanese?

I'll take a look at your list and through these cards listed and make you an offer.

----- Original Message -----
Hey i really need 1 arid mesa!

I have: 2 scavenging ooze, 1 obzedat, 3 temple of deceipt, 1 sacred foundry and 1 heros downfall

Pretty sure we can make something, give me some news!

Thx

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ErikTheMighty
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posted October 20, 2013 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ErikTheMighty   Click Here to Email ErikTheMighty     
This dude is one bored sociopath


cavetroll7
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posted October 25, 2013 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cavetroll7   Click Here to Email cavetroll7     
wow! glad i thought to check this thread! i have a deal going with TheDarkAngel right now. all the refs are from at least 8 years ago. glad i haven't shipped yet.


mini1337s
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posted November 17, 2013 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mini1337s   Click Here to Email mini1337s     
Just realized that the impersonation from my thread (http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005453.html) matches Strickland's address.


Blackmage907
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posted November 19, 2013 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackmage907     
Yeah I got ripped by Thedarkangel. I just filed mail fraud. I lost 100 dollars worth of cards. I have a really modest collection so this was actually a really big hit to me. This guy is really ****ing me off.


Traposse
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posted November 27, 2013 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Traposse   Click Here to Email Traposse     
Seems like this guy haven't anything better to do in his life...


wisknudde
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posted November 28, 2013 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wisknudde   Click Here to Email wisknudde     
I am very happy to see that people are informing others about such people.

But if I might add; didnt people filed mailfraud against this 'person'? And what happened with these files? Seeing that this 'person' has quite the record (and still growing) concerning practises like these.....Would filing mailfraud be a paper tiger then in such situation?

I have absolutely no knowledge concerning the canadian authorities nor with the law for that matter. I just wonder how this can be possible

implode
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posted November 28, 2013 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implode   Click Here to Email implode     
quote:
Originally posted by wisknudde:
I am very happy to see that people are informing others about such people.

But if I might add; didnt people filed mailfraud against this 'person'? And what happened with these files? Seeing that this 'person' has quite the record (and still growing) concerning practises like these.....Would filing mailfraud be a paper tiger then in such situation?

I have absolutely no knowledge concerning the canadian authorities nor with the law for that matter. I just wonder how this can be possible


I wonder if authorities see trading cards, think overgrown adults playing a kids game. Figure its not a priority. Think values are overinflated/overstated. I have a hard time convincing friends who don't play that 1) its a fun game and 2) my cards hold any monetary value. They find it totally inconceivable. Common misconception is I rip off little kids to make money.


Volcanon
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posted November 28, 2013 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon   Click Here to Email Volcanon     
OK so I'm an articled student, which in the US would translate to "junior attorney".

If you want some legal help for this sort of thing feel free to e-mail me.

Goaswerfraiejen
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posted November 29, 2013 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Goaswerfraiejen   Click Here to Email Goaswerfraiejen     
quote:
Originally posted by wisknudde:

But if I might add; didnt people filed mailfraud against this 'person'? And what happened with these files?


Yes. Nothing. The RCMP put it on the backburner and forgot about it. So far as I know, however, I'm the only one who bothered to file for mail fraud. If more people had done so/do so, the case may well get a proper look.

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SNUFFEDxOUT
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posted December 05, 2013 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SNUFFEDxOUT   Click Here to Email SNUFFEDxOUT     
He changed his eBay name again to hashirama234.


Stryphos
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posted December 10, 2013 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stryphos     
quote:
Originally posted by Blackmage907:
Yeah I got ripped by Thedarkangel. I just filed mail fraud. I lost 100 dollars worth of cards. I have a really modest collection so this was actually a really big hit to me. This guy is really ****ing me off.

Add me to the list. I was aware of John Strickland and a location in Texas but didn't see this until too late ... also lost out on over $100 in cardboard :-(

Megadeus
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posted December 17, 2013 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Megadeus   Click Here to Email Megadeus     
Add on the MOTL handle LT. DO NOT TRADE WITH LT. Same MO. Gave me a deal I couldnt not look at, so I checked and of course, no refs since 2005, from canada, hotmail. Also he posted the good old "Give me some news".

DO NOT TRADE WITH LT

timmerman121
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posted December 17, 2013 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for timmerman121     
so can we get the first post updated with all these new found accounts please??? so people dont have to read 5 pages worth of info


Tha Gunslinga
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posted December 18, 2013 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tha Gunslinga   Click Here to Email Tha Gunslinga     
quote:
Originally posted by Megadeus:
Add on the MOTL handle LT. DO NOT TRADE WITH LT. Same MO. Gave me a deal I couldnt not look at, so I checked and of course, no refs since 2005, from canada, hotmail. Also he posted the good old "Give me some news".

DO NOT TRADE WITH LT


So were you planning on contacting a moderator so LT could be dealt with? Because if I hadn't just randomly run across it here, I would have had no idea.

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Megadeus
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posted December 18, 2013 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Megadeus   Click Here to Email Megadeus     
quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
So were you planning on contacting a moderator so LT could be dealt with? Because if I hadn't just randomly run across it here, I would have had no idea.


I've never had to report a bad trader or a sketchy person before. I honestly dont know how

Goaswerfraiejen
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posted December 18, 2013 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Goaswerfraiejen   Click Here to Email Goaswerfraiejen     
quote:
Originally posted by Megadeus:
I've never had to report a bad trader or a sketchy person before. I honestly dont know how

Well, there's a forum devoted to that.

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TheStygian
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posted January 11, 2014 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheStygian   Click Here to Email TheStygian     
It may seem overbearing, or unnecessarily difficult to newer traders, but what about making any newer traders use a third party for shipping? It increases costs, but protects both ends. Other trading sites have a number of mods that do this and get conpensated with a card or two for their trouble. If both people have to ship to a third party and that person waits until both packages show up to ship either, no one loses cards.


chaos021
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posted January 12, 2014 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chaos021     
quote:
Originally posted by TheStygian:
It may seem overbearing, or unnecessarily difficult to newer traders, but what about making any newer traders use a third party for shipping? It increases costs, but protects both ends. Other trading sites have a number of mods that do this and get conpensated with a card or two for their trouble. If both people have to ship to a third party and that person waits until both packages show up to ship either, no one loses cards.

Then I would never have started trading here. I'd just buy/sell on ebay or other trading sites.


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Mike_Sully
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posted January 23, 2014 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_Sully   Click Here to Email Mike_Sully     
We have his address... am I the only person with a violence streak that thinks we should trade a baseball bat with a kneecap???


Goaswerfraiejen
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posted January 23, 2014 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Goaswerfraiejen   Click Here to Email Goaswerfraiejen     
quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Sully:
We have his address... am I the only person with a violence streak that thinks we should trade a baseball bat with a kneecap???

Yes. Your threat is empty and your proposal idiotic.

Besides which, the cops take aggravated assault very seriously. They may not care about mail fraud, but they definitely care about assault. It's not worth the jail time.

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MeddlingMage
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posted January 23, 2014 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MeddlingMage   Click Here to Email MeddlingMage     
quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Sully:
We have his address... am I the only person with a violence streak that thinks we should trade a baseball bat with a kneecap???

~MM

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chaos021
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posted January 23, 2014 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chaos021     
quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Sully:
We have his address... am I the only person with a violence streak that thinks we should trade a baseball bat with a kneecap???

I'll grab some popcorn. Make sure you keep the cameras rolling.

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KGtheLegend
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posted January 23, 2014 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KGtheLegend   Click Here to Email KGtheLegend     
quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
I'll grab some popcorn. Make sure you keep the cameras rolling.


+1

hilikuS
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posted January 23, 2014 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hilikuS   Click Here to Email hilikuS     
If they ever go to arrest this guy, be sure to grab some footage.


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