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Originally posted by Bugger:
There's a difference: These cards are not confirmed to be real. If/When WOTC verifies these cards, I'll trust that they aren't broken. Until then, no. These strike me as too powerful, and the only thing that will change my mind is Wizard's seal of approval.

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
I don't see a single card that's broken yet. Which ones are you talking about?

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
I don't see a single card that's broken yet. Which ones are you talking about?

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First of all, I'm not talking about broken like the usual salvation troll does (ie the classic "Bloodhall Ooze is BROKEN!!!!11!"). The R */* for artifacts in gy seems reasonably costed and is definitely not the next tarmogoyf as it is being hailed over there. but let's start with the pseudonegator. Last time I checked the translation was that your OPPONENT sacrifices creatures. Another would be Karn. Yes, people like to analogize with Nicol Bolas, except that Bolas cost 8 (and 8 mana has NEVER been standard playable) and karn is debuting in a standard stuffed with primo ramp and titans.

In any event, I don't particularly recall using the phrase broken, and if I did I misspoke. I do think some of these cards are absurd, and will remain skeptical until they are verified on salvation.

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Creature - Horror
Trample
Whenever a source deals damage to Phyrexian Canceller, that source's controller sacrifices that many permanents.
Illus. Todd Lockwood #68/175 5/5

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Originally posted by AGO:
Phyrexian Canceller

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Creature - Horror
Trample
Whenever a source deals damage to Phyrexian Canceller, that source's controller sacrifices that many permanents.
Illus. Todd Lockwood #68/175 5/5

Is mono black back? This needs dark ritual!

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I guess i read that wrong, i thought it was a bad Negator.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
I guess i read that wrong, i thought it was a bad Negator.

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I do hope so, I miss Negator, he was fun...

About 3-4 weeks ago I got a preorder list of upcoming products, and my vendor wanted to know how much of "new phyrexia" i was going to order.

...akward

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Originally posted by Bugger:
First of all, I'm not talking about broken like the usual salvation troll does (ie the classic "Bloodhall Ooze is BROKEN!!!!11!"). The R */* for artifacts in gy seems reasonably costed and is definitely not the next tarmogoyf as it is being hailed over there. but let's start with the pseudonegator. Last time I checked the translation was that your OPPONENT sacrifices creatures. Another would be Karn. Yes, people like to analogize with Nicol Bolas, except that Bolas cost 8 (and 8 mana has NEVER been standard playable) and karn is debuting in a standard stuffed with primo ramp and titans.

In any event, I don't particularly recall using the phrase broken, and if I did I misspoke. I do think some of these cards are absurd, and will remain skeptical until they are verified on salvation.

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
Then we are on the same page, I also think that some of these cards have potential but nothing just screams WotC is on crack. The super negator, if printed like it is spoiled right now, seems way too cheap for what it does. It is still not "broken", but I would lose a lot of respect for WotC. I feel like their design team should try to make absurd cards under the radar (like goyf or jace 2.0), where there really hasn't been a card that does what it does and it's hard for people to evaluate its potential until playtest. Making an undercost huge creature with 1 relevant ability and 1 insane ability is not my idea of a good design. It's like if they reprinted relentless assualt that costed 1R, it would be ridiculous no matter how you look at it.

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Gotta agree! A Negator at 2B with that horrid drawback is super strong against control in every format with Ritual, paying 1 more and making it all black matters very little in a format with Dark ritual.

Maybe its because in Standard and Extended he isn't as great but still quite a strong card.

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Originally posted by Myy:
I'm kinda bumbed-out that they decided to move away from Infect... I Still hope we get that 1 card that makes infect a force to be reckoned with.

flavor-wise it's awesome, just need it to be really playable.

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Originally posted by Shadows:
Hot damn, can't believe they're giving us Phyrexian Negator's mentally challenged brother...

I'll still take 4 please..

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Originally posted by AGO:
Are you reading the card correct? Your opponent is sacrificing the permenents. This is negator's abusive Step Dad!

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No, its a little girl that got rapped and the dad found out who raped her, that person is whoever damaged the mini-annihilatormonster.

no particular order of power

1.Hex Parasite - very good aggro creature against planeswalkers. Probably a 3-4 of in aggro SBs vs Control matchups.

2.Screamwhip - Can momo-black make a comeback? This is essentially a 4/4 for 4 in monoB. Then can be moved or re-equipped to make a guy a house, or ok I'll pay 2 life to move this on my Nighthawk....you take 6, I'll gain 6.

3.Urabrask, the Hidden - stupidly unfair for limited...not all of my card evaluations will be strickly limited/or standard. This one is obviously a limited evaluation, and the card is nuts. All your guys have haste? And your opponnts creatures have Kismet? Ok...REAL FAIR!

4.Preator's Grip - Seems fine. It's Demonic Tutor your opponent's library for an extra B. Can be used to take away threats or can be used to cast an opponents own threats against him. Take a look at U/B control, what would be better than being able to cast your opponents JTMS for your side of the board? Not saying this card is super broken in standard...above is probably one of the best things you can do. But what about Vintage? Or Legacy? Taking someone's Wasteland and using it against them seems pretty damn good in Legacy. It doesn't say find a non-land card...just says search for a card.

5.Karn, the Released - This is a VERY good planeswalker. Not broken lke JTMS but probably on a power level of Ajani Vengeant. Cost a little bit more than Ajani, but there is no color commitment. Great as a 1-2 of for control decks. 7 mana for at the worst double Vindicate? Seems fine to me. A lot of times Ajani V was 2xLightning Helix shots and that was good enough.

6.Norn's Annex - This is quite possibly an unfair and broken card in the making. It cost 3 mana, not 5 but 3. You can play this on turn 3 and take 4 damage and then your opponent is in a bad spot. It costs W or 2 life to attack with each creature? How does Kuldotha Red beat that? They have to pay 2 life to attack with a 2 power or less guy? Hard to race that, and the fact that it's basically a colorless spell. It's like an akward Tangle Wire...but can kill your opponent. What if you follow this card up with a Gideon? Ok you must attack Gideon....oh and btw you have to either pay W or take 2 life to do it....GG. This cards seems VERY unfair.

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Originally posted by daner:
I think the set look fine so far. 23 cards spoiled and there are a few that are pretty good and might see a lot of constructed play. Nothing that screams "broken" but a few VERY solid cards.

no particular order of power

1.Hex Parasite - very good aggro creature against planeswalkers. Probably a 3-4 of in aggro SBs vs Control matchups.

2.Screamwhip - Can momo-black make a comeback? This is essentially a 4/4 for 4 in monoB. Then can be moved or re-equipped to make a guy a house, or ok I'll pay 2 life to move this on my Nighthawk....you take 6, I'll gain 6.

3.Urabrask, the Hidden - stupidly unfair for limited...not all of my card evaluations will be strickly limited/or standard. This one is obviously a limited evaluation, and the card is nuts. All your guys have haste? And your opponnts creatures have Kismet? Ok...REAL FAIR!

4.Preator's Grip - Seems fine. It's Demonic Tutor your opponent's library for an extra B. Can be used to take away threats or can be used to cast an opponents own threats against him. Take a look at U/B control, what would be better than being able to cast your opponents JTMS for your side of the board? Not saying this card is super broken in standard...above is probably one of the best things you can do. But what about Vintage? Or Legacy? Taking someone's Wasteland and using it against them seems pretty damn good in Legacy. It doesn't say find a non-land card...just says search for a card.

5.Karn, the Released - This is a VERY good planeswalker. Not broken lke JTMS but probably on a power level of Ajani Vengeant. Cost a little bit more than Ajani, but there is no color commitment. Great as a 1-2 of for control decks. 7 mana for at the worst double Vindicate? Seems fine to me. A lot of times Ajani V was 2xLightning Helix shots and that was good enough.

6.Norn's Annex - This is quite possibly an unfair and broken card in the making. It cost 3 mana, not 5 but 3. You can play this on turn 3 and take 4 damage and then your opponent is in a bad spot. It costs W or 2 life to attack with each creature? How does Kuldotha Red beat that? They have to pay 2 life to attack with a 2 power or less guy? Hard to race that, and the fact that it's basically a colorless spell. It's like an akward Tangle Wire...but can kill your opponent. What if you follow this card up with a Gideon? Ok you must attack Gideon....oh and btw you have to either pay W or take 2 life to do it....GG. This cards seems VERY unfair.

EDIT: didn't even mention Negator 2.0, and that is also a fine card.

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I am pretty sure the annex and gideon interaction doesn't work like that

3P
Artifact
1P, T: Sacrifice a creature, Search your library for a creature with converted mana cost equal to the sacrificed creature PLUS 1, and put it onto the battlefield.

That seems REALLY good...

Mana dork into Fauna Shaman into whatever you want from there...

If you really want, use Voltaic Key, and do it twice a turn...

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Survival 2.0?

3P
Artifact
1P, T: Sacrifice a creature, Search your library for a creature with converted mana cost equal to the sacrificed creature PLUS 1, and put it onto the battlefield.

That seems REALLY good...

Mana dork into Fauna Shaman into whatever you want from there...

If you really want, use Voltaic Key, and do it twice a turn...

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Originally posted by shaselai:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Survival 2.0?

3P
Artifact
1P, T: Sacrifice a creature, Search your library for a creature with converted mana cost equal to the sacrificed creature PLUS 1, and put it onto the battlefield.

That seems REALLY good...

Mana dork into Fauna Shaman into whatever you want from there...

If you really want, use Voltaic Key, and do it twice a turn...

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really only need 1 to start, then just go from there...

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
I am pretty sure the annex and gideon interaction doesn't work like that

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It does