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"Duals, FOW, Goyf, Wasteland....they cost a lot, let's make WOTC reprint them!"

Sure, it's okay for WOTC to reprint old stuff because you own none of it. What happens if WOTC releases a foil event deck that's an exact copy of U/W/B Caw-Blade and prints enough of it for sale at $19.99 MSRP? Since that's equally as sensible. Would you ever buy cards ever again?

When will people ever figure out that reprinting stuff does more to harm the game than foster growth? What happened when they reprinted Baneslayer? WOTC released the Titans and changed the game. Magic grows because new stuff comes out all the time.

I'll admit, time-shifted cards from Time Spiral were an awesome gimmick. And we all needed Tormod's Crypt for that one extended season! But I'm hard pressed to find any instance where reprints revitalized or grew the game?

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Originally posted by caquaa:
mtgo down for anyone else? 11:07 pst

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Originally posted by choco man:
I'm kinda tired of hearing ppl complain about how WOTC needs to reprint old cards b/c they're so expensive.

"Duals, FOW, Goyf, Wasteland....they cost a lot, let's make WOTC reprint them!"

Sure, it's okay for WOTC to reprint old stuff because you own none of it. What happens if WOTC releases a foil event deck that's an exact copy of U/W/B Caw-Blade and prints enough of it for sale at $19.99 MSRP? Since that's equally as sensible. Would you ever buy cards ever again?

When will people ever figure out that reprinting stuff does more to harm the game than foster growth? What happened when they reprinted Baneslayer? WOTC released the Titans and changed the game. Magic grows because new stuff comes out all the time.

I'll admit, time-shifted cards from Time Spiral were an awesome gimmick. And we all needed Tormod's Crypt for that one extended season! But I'm hard pressed to find any instance where reprints revitalized or grew the game?

Edit: This rant is probably 100% caused by too much time spent reading MTGSalvation and Brian Grewe articles.

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Originally posted by ninjazwig:
From the Vault didn't hurt anything value wise.....Why not from the Vault Legacy with Duals, FOW, Goyf etc? I agree that when I can buy tier 1 decks for 19.99 I will stop collecting, but you are taking it to the maximum extreme.

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Because the FTV sets are so limited, a box like that would easily cost close to full price for all the contents (for nonfoils) anyway. If you actually thought that idea through, you would see a ton of problems with it.

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Originally posted by thror:
Because the FTV sets are so limited, a box like that would easily cost close to full price for all the contents (for nonfoils) anyway. If you actually thought that idea through, you would see a ton of problems with it.

The FTV sets didn't hurt values for multiple reasons : most of the cards were **** anyway, most people prefer anything over the warped FTV cards, and the supply was so limited that it couldn't.

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I've thought this idea through many times. Make a much bigger print run? Quit worrying about collectors? Legacy isn't fun because it costs 1500 dollars to play, Legacy is fun because it's very skill intensive. I would love to see more players be able to enter this format without having to break the bank.

Wizards has gone on record saying they only follow the reserve list because they were stupid and said they would follow it. They said it most recently here (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/144). They have been saying it for awhile. I own duals, FOW, and have some power and I would be overjoyed if they decided to print these cards again. More cards equates to more players and this is always a good thing.

Do people honestly think that cards are going to tank and their collection will suddenly become worthless? Are FBB Underground seas suddenly going to be worth 7$? Of course not because there will always be people who want to have the best/rarest. That market will stay the exact same.

Give me more Duals wizards. OMNOMONNOM

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:

Don't bother buy one of wizards.

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This option doesn't interest me for three reasons.

First, I need a deck for the launch party, and there will not be any precons available locally until after that. Driving 3 hours round trip just to buy a precon seems like a terrible idea.

Second, since I have virtually all of the reprints in the precons, it would be much cheaper to just buy the new cards from someone who breaks up the decks and build the decks myself.

Third, precons usually suck, so why not do it right to begin with instead?

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Well, what if legacy becomes like Vintage, with very few people to play with, and not many tournaments?
Fun huh?

I'd prefer them to reprint the cards, and make the format much more popular. If they print duals as rares, they'll drop back to $15, but hey, everyone can play them then!

Or maybe even as mythics, they wouldn't drop dramatically, but a lot more people would get them for T2, and then maybe keep them for legacy.

I Mean WOW.

In a white and red heavy meta, this is just, nuts. Why yes, I will equip a Sword of War and Peace to my Nantuko Shade or Vampire Nighthawk, and then hit you with it. HARD. Take some extra damage, and I'll gain some extra life ^_^

Also, Vault Skirge is another amazing card, 2 of of them compliment my 4 lacerators as the 1-drops of the deck, and another couple Despises take care of the hand control and first turn plays ^_^

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Originally posted by nderdog:
Next on my list, build a Commander deck. I have no ideas on this one, but hope to be able to use some of my old cards that I have floating around that never get any use.

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I'm sure you will have no trouble finding fun cards to go together. The bigger challenge is building a deck that can stand up to the random fun killer combo player who doesn't get the point of the format.

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Originally posted by stu55:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=307181

Lol, $7k to start a store

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Originally posted by iccarus:
I'm sure you will have no trouble finding fun cards to go together. The bigger challenge is building a deck that can stand up to the random fun killer combo player who doesn't get the point of the format.

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Let me help you:

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=185146

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Originally posted by iccarus:
I'm sure you will have no trouble finding fun cards to go together. The bigger challenge is building a deck that can stand up to the random fun killer combo player who doesn't get the point of the format.

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There are only one or two people in our area that I think might build a "I win and no one else has fun" deck, but we'll cross that bridge later. I suspect that since it's multi-player and more casual, that anyone doing something like that is likely to take away the big target that I'll start off with as the one for everyone else to gang up on and quickly learn to play nice.

I was poking around at various general ideas, and Uril seems like he'd be fun, but probably a bit too powerful for an untested and casual metagame. I might try Gaddock Teeg or Borborygmos, though, since I like the color combos. Also really considering an elf deck, with either Momir Vig, Nath or Marhault Elsdragon as my commander, too, but not sure on that one.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
as far as EDH goes you should come out with your own direction and outline for a deck. You should get something like 90ish cards ready to roll and then ask for suggestions, otherwise it doesn't feel like its yours. I think the new Commander procons will be a good base of cards to start with, but half the fun is running with a random deck idea.

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The problem is that the last five years have had a lot of obvious EDH "plants" and so you have to dig deep to find generals that don't appear everywhere. (Pretty much every block since Time Spiral or Coldsnap has a handful of very obvious good generals).

Quite a long way from the original format, which was actually played with Elder Dragons and terrible Legends Legends (or the handful of good ones, like Adun Oakenshield).

That being said, do something unique. There's a decent number of good legends that aren't commonly played. Merieke Ri Berret has been fun.

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Momir Vig, Nath or Marhault Elsdragon as my commander, too, but not sure on that one.

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Radha, Heir to Keld is a multi elf legend. Not saying she's good just didn't know if you heard of it. Would say it's better than Marhault.
I'm not fond of Nath but there's a lot more black elf stuff and removal than in blue and red.

Rhys the Reedemed can be fun for a G/W deck, but Momir is pretty fun himself.

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Originally posted by themiz2003k:

Hi and thanks for checking out my post

I will under no circumstances send first for MTGO stuff. I have 1 account (themiz2003k) that ive had since....2002.... and will NOT scam someone out of what will likely be a very small amount of product. The whole reason behind playing MTGO is impatience, right? This does not apply to paypal only transactions of course.

I will only ship cards within the USA, but paypal for cards via anywhere is fine.

Only paypal gift unless you pay for fees

the condition of my cards very. they're all sleeve playable at the very least. Ask if you're concerned. Prices are as is as far as condition.

Post here and THEN PM/IM me. Both are the best way. Always post or i might ignore you.

I'm an active IRL player and trader, so my list might not be super up to date. I will trade something we're negotiating on due to the simple fact that I probably won't remember, so it's best to finalize deals with me the day you make them. If im on, im usually on for a few hours so keep f5'ing to see if I IM you.

I ship the cheapest way possible, Big trades are different, but I don't consider a 30-40 dollar trade big. 12 or less cards you can try and get into envelope with stamp.I usually use toploaders, but if its the difference between a stamp and a post office trip, I won't. I only do DC on big deals or if you pay me extra (more than what it costs) because i'm VERY LAZY.

WANTS:
Tix: value dependent on if you want cards or cash. I value tix at .88 (rounded up on bigger deals to nearest dollar) if all cash (can only buy a very small sum)

Standard staples: I value these at bot buy prices on smaller stuff, but will go higher on bigger items. You can make any offer you wish.

Boosters+any sealed product: Basically anything I can trade in for tix or draft with - Same value as above

I think this goes without saying, but I will also take cash for my haves list below instead of MTGO credit.

Keep deals 10+ bucks please, unless its paypal for tix.

Make me offers! Anything you want, but POST FIRST!!!!!!!

I use low TCGplayer to price, and almost always go a bit lower than that.

Shipping is in Plain envelope plus toploader unless otherwise negotiated. Include shipping in your offer (not free)

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(Values in USD, not TIX!!! What this means is that if you want 30 in cards, you offer MORE in tix. you make the offer)

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So let me get this straight...You will not send first with modo, in which it is very possible to scam people, and you have a low number of refs, you want people to pay extra on top of what DC costs because you are lazy, you will trade the same cards IRL that you are currently in negotiations with people on modo, you offer less then market value cash on tix, and you want to get all your modo staples at bot buy prices... I bet the deals for you are going to come raining in...

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get home, start sleeving and...DAMNIT! I'm exactly 1 slot short

oh well, looks like my 3 Arcane Denials can sit in the binder pockets for now.

On a side note...these things are getting HEAVY. The UBR binder weighs in at a whopping 5 lbs. I know thats not allot to some of you other card players, but dang...5lbs of cardboard and ink! Oh well, the land/multi/artifact binder was like 10 lbs a few years ago before I downsized my collection for the (3rd? 4th time?)

wozers!

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