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Originally posted by Loathing:
Temporarily ban his account?

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I changed the email so he can't get in the account. I just figured it would be a good idea to tell people in case he's already gotten to them, I PM'd as many people as I could last night that I saw had posts from him on their lists.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom.

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Originally posted by evilempire22:
Same here...can someone point to the official documentation on this?

--Evil

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http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Events.aspx?x=mtgcom/events/prerelease-facts

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Originally posted by WotC:
For the prize pool, Wizards of the Coast provides two Dark Ascension booster packs per player in the tournament. Contact your local Prerelease Tournament organizer for specific entry fee, prize payout, and event information.

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
Really never heard that before? 1 pack min is what i always see.

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Where do you see that, out of curiosity? All of the mailer stuff we get says 2 packs per entrant.

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Originally posted by wayne:

Online events are much more convenient

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That's fine, but it's absurd that the top prize of a 600 person ptq is the same as a 100 person ptq (or less).

Like, the northeast ptqs, good luck at having them being less than 200 people, and florida's ptqs are 100-150..

PTQs held at GPs are usually around 300 people.

Why should the top prize be the same?

IMO, Either make a minimum / maximum for a ptq or make it so that after X players, 2nd place gets a PT slot, 3rd place gets a PT slot and so on.

For an online event with 600+ people, top 4 should at least get slots to the PT.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Well, card shops aren't always the best run. Like those shops that ban selling cards between players. If I'm not being a backpack dealer you shouldn't care if I sell a $2 card to a friend. Worse is the shops that ban trading, which is hilarious.

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Originally posted by choco man:
I know.....they're almost as bad those restaurants that don't let you bring in your own food and drinks. If you're not a chef, they shouldn't care that you brought your own hamburgers and beer into a French restaurant. I mean, what's wrong with enjoying a your own fare along with your escargot. You're a customer, right? And the customer is always right, right?

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This is a terrible analogy.

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Originally posted by Heresy19:
I can understand the ''no selling policy'', but to ban players from a store because they sold cards, that's dumb. You warn him/her, that's it...... OR you do like we do at FDB : We let you bring your sell binders and we keep 25% if you sell for $ or 10% if you take credit store (you can also save the 10% if you transfer some credit store to another player instead of buying his/her cards). People buy close to SCG so it's pretty much the same as selling on MOTL.

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25% is way too much =/

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
This is a terrible analogy.

If you can't see why, then you must have failed logic class.

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How is the analogy terrible?

Restaurants generally don't allow people to bring their own food. LGS generally don't allow people to sell their own cards.

If you can't see why....

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
This is a terrible analogy.

If you can't see why, then you must have failed logic class.

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Not sure why it's a terrible analogy. So feel free to teach us, professor!

All restaurants serve food.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
Most LGS don't sell cards.

All restaurants serve food.

That's why it's a terrible analogy.

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Selling cards in a store which sells cards doesn't need an analogy to defend why many stores don't like it. You are using their location to take business directly out of their pocket. Showing up -anywhere- that is selling something and trying to sell the same thing is going to **** them off. They've built the location, attracted interested potential customers through their marketing and branding, and you roll in with no previous investment and start trying to take their business, and you wonder why they are upset?

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
Most LGS don't sell cards.

All restaurants serve food.

That's why it's a terrible analogy.

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A LGS doesn't have to sell cards for it to be rude. The point is that the owner pays to run his LGS. For someone to essentially conduct sales on his space is rude.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
Actually it's a terrible analogy because bringing your own food to restaurant would be more analogous to bringing your own cards to a draft.

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Bringing your own packs to draft is perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with that (the store isn't charging entry and they won't be giving out prizes). It's like bringing your own decks to play.

I made the analogy to food and restaurants because it's rude in both cases and not likely to be tolerated. And it's good to see that Devonin and most ppl would agree that it's rude.

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Originally posted by I3Iood:
I would like to see some numbers to back up "Most LGS don't sell cards.". I have never been to a LGS that didn't sell cards...

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Really? I mean, granted I'm only limited by my personal experiences, but most of my card playing has been in south florida and out of the 5 south florida LGS that I have played at regularly, only 1 has regularly sold cards (and that was cool stuff games in davie).

The other 4 in the miami area (2 are closed now, 1 is more of a warhammer shop that has FNM because "it brings in money" and the other is more of a comic book shop (although sells card game products (magic/yugioh/pokemon, etc..)) have either

A) Never sold cards

or

B) Sells like.. 1 to 10 cards. And very few of them being standard legal.

So.. yeah?

Edit: Also, what are you going to do? Ban them for life? lol? Now you're just losing money since the people that do this are also spending money at your shop at/on other things. Unless they are coming in, never spending money at your shop, and just using it to set up shop, then I'd ban for life.. Also, it's nearly impossible to stop.

As was quoted by heresy earlier

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FDB : We let you bring your sell binders and we keep 25% if you sell for $ or 10% if you take credit store (you can also save the 10% if you transfer some credit store to another player instead of buying his/her cards). People buy close to SCG so it's pretty much the same as selling on MOTL.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
Most LGS don't sell cards.

All restaurants serve food.

That's why it's a terrible analogy.

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I guess so, but what shop that has magic tournaments, and such doesn't sell singles? At least around here it's pretty much the deal.

I think maybe it's a matter of selling things at any sort of shop and how it's at least frowned upon if not banned by the owner.

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Originally posted by choco man:
ABringing your own packs to draft is perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with that (the store isn't charging entry and they won't be giving out prizes). It's like bringing your own decks to play.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
On a separate issue, the dealers that are buying/selling at ptqs/gp's without buying a table are infinitely worse than the local person that does it a LGS.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
So, if I mapped out a couple boxes of Innistrad/DA and narrowed down 3 packs to ones that most likely contain bombs I could bring them to a draft and use them giving myself a potentially big advantage? I know seems stupid, but when it comes to Magic players cheating often knows no limits :P

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You're jumping a lot of steps ahead.

What's wrong with a group of friends bringing their own boosters or a box to crack at a store to draft? It's just like players bringing in their own decks.

If you're doing a sanctioned draft, no respectable organizer should allow players to bring their own packs. If the DCI is going to give points for an event, the event should be run under DCI rules.

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Originally posted by Absurd90:
Anyone know when dark ascension will be released on mtgo?

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Originally posted by choco man:
You're jumping a lot of steps ahead.

What's wrong with a group of friends bringing their own boosters or a box to crack at a store to draft? It's just like players bringing in their own decks.

If you're doing a sanctioned draft, no respectable organizer should allow players to bring their own packs. If the DCI is going to give points for an event, the event should be run under DCI rules.

Mostly b/c ppl like you would totally buy a box to map just to win a draft at a local store.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
So, if I mapped out a couple boxes of Innistrad/DA and narrowed down 3 packs to ones that most likely contain bombs I could bring them to a draft and use them giving myself a potentially big advantage? I know seems stupid, but when it comes to Magic players cheating often knows no limits :P

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Product provided by the player is supposed to be mixed in with the pool and distributed to avoid this. (MTR section 7.3)

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Originally posted by rats60:
If you are using the store's space, you should buy your packs at the store. Buying packs elsewhere and expecting to use the stores gaming space is just as bad as undercutting the store and selling singles in their store. If you want to draft your own packs, you should show some class and do it in your own house, not someone else's place of business.

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There are instances where you can't do this. As per Speed Demon's suggestion, some LGS don't even sell cards or packs but support gaming space in general. Some LGS don't sell packs other than in print.

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Originally posted by choco man:
There are instances where you can't do this. As per Speed Demon's suggestion, some LGS don't even sell cards or packs but support gaming space in general. Some LGS don't sell packs other than in print.

So the player who only plays casual and doesn't buy very much shouldn't even bother going into a LGS to play, right?

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That's not what I am talking about. If the store has the packs you are drafting, you should buy them from your LGS and not buy them elsewhere and bring them into their store to draft. If they don't have the packs for sale, you should ask the owner if it is ok to draft your own packs.

It is the same with singles. It is one thing to buy a card from a player if the store doesn't have it in stock. It is just being a cheap jerk to buy a card the store has in stock to save a few dollars and then turn around and use their play space.