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dragonstout83
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posted June 28, 2012 09:21 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for dragonstout83 Click Here to Email dragonstout83 Send a private message to dragonstout83 Click to send dragonstout83 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I don't where the right place to post this is, but just warning you all: I received two Beta dual lands today that I bought from eBay seller theendgamecenter24601, who has pretty high feedback, and they are totally fake: the corners were peeling. He also sold several pieces of the Power 9, another Beta dual, and a Beta Birds of Paradise, so my bet is that those are probably fakes as well. If you bought anything big from him, check the corners!

We'll see if he's cool with me sending them back for a refund or whether he gives me a hassle.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by dragonstout83 on June 28, 2012]

 
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My guess is that all his "Beta" stuff is rebacked CE.

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posted July 02, 2012 11:04 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for I3Iood Click Here to Email I3Iood Send a private message to I3Iood Click to send I3Iood an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Absolute Gold here. From the listing:

"Good Condition...all items come from a clean smoke-free home."

Now look at the pictures.........

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-9-MAGIC-THE-GATHERING-DECKMASTER-COLLECTIBLE-TRADING-CARDS-/150847023123?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item231f2ee813

 
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quote:
Originally posted by I3Iood:
Absolute Gold here. From the listing:

"Good Condition...all items come from a clean smoke-free home."

Now look at the pictures.........

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-O F-9-MAGIC-THE-GATHERING-DECKMASTER-COLLECTIBLE-TRADING-CARDS-/150847023123?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item231f2ee813



OMG, only $10 for 9 basic lands?! That's phenomenal! I especially love the burn marks and stains all over some of them.

Seriously though.. do you think that someone should contact him and let him know not to waste money listing stuff like that?

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I know we've made of these before, but $80+ for an AVR booster box repack??? Really?



[Edited 1 times, lastly by baldr7 on July 03, 2012]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by I3Iood:
Absolute Gold here. From the listing:

"Good Condition...all items come from a clean smoke-free home."

Now look at the pictures.........

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-O F-9-MAGIC-THE-GATHERING-DECKMASTER-COLLECTIBLE-TRADING-CARDS-/150847023123?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item231f2ee813


I think he was targeting people who like their cards to have a rustic, antique look with all the great patina and what-not.

 
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maze-of-Ith-Judge-Foil-NM-English-x-1-Promo-MTG-magic-/280909152703?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41677d81bf#ht_563wt_645

This has to be fake/bidding on his own items.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by baldr7:
I know we've made of these before, but $80+ for an AVR booster box repack??? Really?


Local store does that. Opens it up, pulls out all the good stuff, and sells it for $80. And they sell a lot. Scary.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by baldr7:
I know we've made of these before, but $80+ for an AVR booster box repack??? Really?


Local store does that. Opens it up, pulls out all the good stuff, and sells it for $80. And they sell a lot. Scary.

 
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Must be a glitch in the Matrix....

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
Local store does that. Opens it up, pulls out all the good stuff, and sells it for $80. And they sell a lot. Scary.

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
Local store does that. Opens it up, pulls out all the good stuff, and sells it for $80. And they sell a lot. Scary.


 
A1phaMale
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Maybe its just me.... but I just do not understand why these altered prints are so popular.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOIL-ALTERED-ART-SEXY-ANIME-BIRDS-OF-PARADISE-M11-MAGIC-THE-GATHERING-/320934572037?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab930f005

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOIL-ALTERED-ART-TERMINATOR-DAY-OF-JUDGMENT-M12-MAGIC-THE-GATHERING-/320934573526?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab930f5d6

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTG-Sexy-Anime-Manga-Print-Altered-FOIL-Swamp-/180917718765?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1f894eed

 
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posted July 04, 2012 09:03 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Markers Click Here to Email Markers Send a private message to Markers Click to send Markers an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by A1phaMale:
Maybe its just me.... but I just do not understand why these altered prints are so popular.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/F OIL-ALTERED-ART-SEXY-ANIME-BIRDS-OF-PARADISE-M11-MAGIC-THE-GATHERING-/320934572037?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab930f005

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOI L-ALTERED-ART-TERMINATOR-DAY-OF-JUDGMENT-M12-MAGIC-THE-GATHERING-/320934573526?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab930f5d6

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTG-Sexy-Anime-Manga-Prin t-Altered-FOIL-Swamp-/180917718765?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1f894eed


People want cards that look special. Even more special than Beta, jap foil, rus or Korean foil....

I hope that WOTC bans these abominations asap...

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Tha Gunslinga
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None of those have recognizable artwork, so they're all against tournament rules as far as I know.

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posted July 04, 2012 09:17 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Markers Click Here to Email Markers Send a private message to Markers Click to send Markers an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
None of those have recognizable artwork, so they're all against tournament rules as far as I know.


I hope you're right Ben. It's a worrying subject. But there is a conversation on MTGS (Yeah, I know...) where they discuss these digital alters and several Judges said they allow them in their tournaments...

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Markers on July 04, 2012]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Markers:
I hope you're right Ben. It's a worrying subject. But there is a conversation on MTGS (Yeah, I know...) where they discuss these digital alters and several Judges said they allow them in their tournaments...


Absolutely hideous. I'd hope those aren't allowed in real tournaments. Maybe FNM, but I don't think a L2 or L3 is letting those anywhere near a bigger tournament table.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Tournament Rules:
Artistic modifications are acceptable in sanctioned tournaments, provided that the modifications do not make the card art unrecognizable, contain substantial strategic advice, or contain offensive images. Artistic modifications also may not obstruct or change the mana cost or name of the card.
The Head Judge is the final authority on acceptable cards for a tournament.

those clearing do not have recognizable art. At an FNM, I might still let it go. Guess it depends how competitive the environment is as well as how many newer players might get confused by it, etc. Its certainly incorrect to allow them, but gotta have some fun, right?

 
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I use to be a level 1 Judge (for what that is worth) and I wouldn't allow those in my tournies, and I doubt most judges would.
 
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I'd say it's fine at FNM/kitchen table, for PTQ's and such, no. Part of the purpose of the pro tour is magic branding, and allowing significant picture alters like that at high level events would defeat that purpose.
 
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$275 for a Day of Judgment is beyond ridiculous. I think people are just used to seeing how much nicely painted ones can go for and are paying these amounts because those prints are all crisp and neat looking. But they seem to be willfully ignoring the fact that the seller can print off an identical copy in no time for next to nothing.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Harmless:
$275 for a Day of Judgment is beyond ridiculous. I think people are just used to seeing how much nicely painted ones can go for and are paying these amounts because those prints are all crisp and neat looking. But they seem to be willfully ignoring the fact that the seller can print off an identical copy in no time for next to nothing.

Wouldn't be the first time, as it's happened with other artistic mediums as well - see Thomas Kinkaid's work/reproductions, or Ansel Adams (criminal travesty what his estate has done to his collection)

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
None of those have recognizable artwork, so they're all against tournament rules as far as I know.


As a judge I'll chime in here, its a case by case call. People want to play with the card they have, and even want to play with their art modified cards. These cards are recognizable pretty easily since all the text and mana cost are there.

But yes the book written rule is.

"provided that the modifications do not make the card art unrecognizable"

But there is also the part where it says.

"The Head Judge is the final authority on acceptable cards for a tournament."

I've worked many large events with top judges who have allowed full alter cards. (modified duals and such) So some let them play some don't. For judges the biggest issue tend to be with the thinkness and can you tell what the card is when playing it.

Would i allow these? Maybe. I would have to see the card, feel it and then make a call on it. many of them I would not allow due to the "contain offensive images" clause. I'm also not a fan of the printed alters, the painted ones I'd likely be a little more hesitant on.

Oh and why are full art alters even considered? Well my Revised Serendib, Spanish 4th Serra Angel or German Wald are all playable, so it hard to say an alter isn't playable because the art is different.

my 2 cents

[Edited 1 times, lastly by TimeBeing on July 05, 2012]

 
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The Walds and Serra Elementals are misleading and would generally not be allowed as far as I know.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
Local store does that. Opens it up, pulls out all the good stuff, and sells it for $80. And they sell a lot. Scary.

People are suckers for a deal, even if it's not really a deal, also I suppose if they plan to draft/sealed then it's not a bad deal, as the expensive stuff matters a lot less.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTG-Lot-of-Misprint-Miscuts-Split-FOIL-Mountain-Plains-Duct-Crawler-/271017094452?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f19e0ad34

This was my favorite line:
"x1 Mountain Foil - from Invasion, NM I have never seen any misprint like this one. The top 1/5th of the card is separated by a thin line, made more obvious by the old style border and because it is foil. I've been playing MTG for 10+ years and have never seen another card like this, and believe it to be fairly rare. This is mainly what you are bidding on, the other two are just extra's "

He is referring to a cutline....

 
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At least no one's bid on that one yet!
 

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