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paragondave
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posted April 20, 2014 07:22 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for paragondave Click Here to Email paragondave Send a private message to paragondave Click to send paragondave an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View paragondave's Have/Want ListView paragondave's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by MacNamara:
I already apologized and i understand not sure what else i can do or say.

Acquaint yourself with the site rules and guidelines, be polite, courteous and understand when people have valid concerns about you. I hope that helps you understand what you can do moving forward from this. Also be grateful that you apparently can still use this site if you can find people willing to trade with you after all this.

Remember, everyone else has the same concerns that you have. When your behavior exacerbates those concerns, you should expect folks to be wary of you. You also have the ability and time to re-create your reputation, if you care enough too, and become a respected member of the MOTL community, again, if you want that.

 
junichi
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posted April 21, 2014 04:03 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for junichi Click Here to Email junichi Send a private message to junichi Click to send junichi an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by paragondave:
Acquaint yourself with the site rules and guidelines, be polite, courteous and understand when people have valid concerns about you. I hope that helps you understand what you can do moving forward from this. Also be grateful that you apparently can still use this site if you can find people willing to trade with you after all this.

Remember, everyone else has the same concerns that you have. When your behavior exacerbates those concerns, you should expect folks to be wary of you. You also have the ability and time to re-create your reputation, if you care enough too, and become a respected member of the MOTL community, again, if you want that.


Anddddddddddddddddddd he is gone!

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spaceghost44
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posted April 21, 2014 04:15 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for spaceghost44 Click Here to Email spaceghost44 Send a private message to spaceghost44 Click to send spaceghost44 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Wow, I was literally moments away from sending this guy $500 worth of cards >_< Thank god I showed up at the post office 10 minutes after they closed. And thank everyone in this thread for staying vigilant against these scumbags. Had I not checked his post history afterward I never would have seen this thread and would have gone back the next and mailed my end of the trade. Thanks to Jazaray as well. I came to her with my suspicions about this guy and she advised me to be extremely cautious. You guys did solid work here, saved my damn life

[Edited 2 times, lastly by spaceghost44 on April 21, 2014]
 
Jazaray
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posted April 21, 2014 04:21 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Yes, he is gone. I should have just banned him straight off. I hold on my head anyone he managed to rip off while I let him stay here. He was here nearly a week, and I don't know how many people he managed to rip off. I can only hope I can make it up to the people who were taken advantage of here.

He is still emailing me, insisting he is innocent, and that he'll prove me wrong. I hope he does go through with the trades he has in progress. I hope he sends either his part of the trade, or the cards back to their owners. I hope I am proved wrong on those trades.

However, there is no doubt in my mind, due to an investigation another member and myself did, that he is a ripper.

I'm sorry MOTL, Mom failed on this one.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Sovarius
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quote:
Originally posted by spaceghost44:
Wow, I was literally moments away from sending this guy $500 worth of cards >_<

Honestly, you shouldn't be dealing with $500 of cards at once.

 
spaceghost44
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posted April 21, 2014 05:35 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for spaceghost44 Click Here to Email spaceghost44 Send a private message to spaceghost44 Click to send spaceghost44 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
Honestly, you shouldn't be dealing with $500 of cards at once.

You're probably right. I usually don't make deals this large and I'm very grateful that I didn't have to learn this lesson the hard way. Greed can definitely get the better of your common sense sometimes though... O_O

Lessons learned here:
1) If something doesn't feel right about the person/trade it probably isn't
2) Don't send first, simul, or even 3rd party trade with suspicious people
3) Always be extremely wary of a necro'd account
4) Contact mods immediately if you have reason to suspect that someone is a scammer
5) If you're about to trade with someone, always check their refs, post history, this thread and the BTA
6) Don't get complacent

[Edited 1 times, lastly by spaceghost44 on April 21, 2014]

 
paragondave
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posted April 21, 2014 08:29 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for paragondave Click Here to Email paragondave Send a private message to paragondave Click to send paragondave an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View paragondave's Have/Want ListView paragondave's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:

I'm sorry MOTL, Mom failed on this one.

Thanks,
Jazaray


I don't think anyone thinks you failed on this one. Thank you for doing the hard work and following thru. We all appreciate it and you.

 
stab107
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posted April 22, 2014 04:47 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for stab107 Click Here to Email stab107 Send a private message to stab107 Click to send stab107 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by paragondave:
I don't think anyone thinks you failed on this one. Thank you for doing the hard work and following thru. We all appreciate it and you.

I'm with Dave on this one, Jaz. The guy was found out and banned despite his arguments to the contrary.

 
hilikuS
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Yeah I felt like you did some hardnosed investigating on this one Jaz.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on April 22, 2014]
 
spaceghost44
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posted April 22, 2014 11:00 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for spaceghost44 Click Here to Email spaceghost44 Send a private message to spaceghost44 Click to send spaceghost44 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
It would be nice if there was a feature on this site where an inactive account (like >5 years of inactivity) that suddenly starts posting again was tagged as "This person must send first in all trades." At least until they start building new refs. Or perhaps archive old refs but don't actually include them in their official ref count. This might be asking for too much but stealing old accounts seems to be a pretty common way these scumbags are operating here.
 
chaos021
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posted April 22, 2014 11:12 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for chaos021 Click Here to Email chaos021 Send a private message to chaos021 Click to send chaos021 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View chaos021's Have/Want ListView chaos021's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by spaceghost44:
It would be nice if there was a feature on this site where an inactive account (like >5 years of inactivity) that suddenly starts posting again was tagged as "This person must send first in all trades." At least until they start building new refs. Or perhaps archive old refs but don't actually include them in their official ref count. This might be asking for too much but stealing old accounts seems to be a pretty common way these scumbags are operating here.

Or you could check their profile and their confirmed references. I assume you can read. It would be pretty weird to be on an online forum and not be able to read.

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canadaeast
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posted April 22, 2014 11:14 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for canadaeast Click Here to Email canadaeast Send a private message to canadaeast Click to send canadaeast an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hi! I think that the most vulnerable traders are those that are inexperienced (newer to the game or a particular format). Those with few references, more often than not, are susceptible to pressure because they want to build up their reputation and obtain key cards in the process. That is different from the veteran trader who decided to switch to online trading. He or she knows when a deal is too good to be true and will ask for safeguards.

I think that it is important to send a private warning to someone you see being asked for a trade by or asking for a trade from someone who raises a red flag or flags. I was compelled to do that this time, and I received many thanks from other traders. I know that it is often easy to ignore and say it is none of my business. However, doing that may lead to a victim leaving the MOTL community. Send a message to the moderators, too, which many did; but also contact those you see trading/negotiating with a suspicious person. Investigation takes time, and during that time it would be terrible to let someone walk into a trap.

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nylarotep
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posted April 22, 2014 11:25 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for nylarotep Click Here to Email nylarotep Send a private message to nylarotep Click to send nylarotep an Instant MessageVisit nylarotep's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View nylarotep's Have/Want ListView nylarotep's Have/Want List
I was able to get this guy (MacNamara) to send first to me since I have a crap ton of refs, I'll let you guys know if I actually get my cards.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by nylarotep on April 22, 2014]
 
superpup
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posted April 22, 2014 12:20 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for superpup Click Here to Email superpup Send a private message to superpup Click to send superpup an Instant MessageVisit superpup's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View superpup's Have/Want ListView superpup's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by spaceghost44:
It would be nice if there was a feature on this site where an inactive account (like >5 years of inactivity) that suddenly starts posting again was tagged as "This person must send first in all trades." At least until they start building new refs. Or perhaps archive old refs but don't actually include them in their official ref count. This might be asking for too much but stealing old accounts seems to be a pretty common way these scumbags are operating here.

I would vote for accounts that are inactive for 1-2+ years should automatically get locked. Either permanently or else could only be reactivated through some process involving moderators.

 
Child of Gaea
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posted April 22, 2014 02:30 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Child of Gaea Click Here to Email Child of Gaea Send a private message to Child of Gaea Click to send Child of Gaea an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Child of Gaea's Have/Want ListView Child of Gaea's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by superpup:
I would vote for accounts that are inactive for 1-2+ years should automatically get locked. Either permanently or else could only be reactivated through some process involving moderators.


I'm actually surprised my account wasn't used at some point. My hardcore old 4digit numeral password from 2000 could have been hacked in 2 seconds by the weakest of scripts... the code here is so ancient imho I think it would be entirely too huge of an undertaking to make this place run securely. It would be more a scrap of everything we know that would have to be rewritten and started from scratch. Custom coding something that is outdated by a decade is rather hard to demand in the end usually not worth it.

All that being said, I'm very glad I was able to come back with my old name. A mass chpass script to change passes to something random and secure might not be really hard, but who has the time or money to invest? With updated code, proper servers, etc, the place could be a goldmine, but then would lose all of its current flavor. Double edged sword...

Protecting members only goes so far as they want to protect themselves in some cases. The new will always be prey, thus is the way of the world.....

 
spaceghost44
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posted April 22, 2014 02:42 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for spaceghost44 Click Here to Email spaceghost44 Send a private message to spaceghost44 Click to send spaceghost44 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by superpup:
I would vote for accounts that are inactive for 1-2+ years should automatically get locked. Either permanently or else could only be reactivated through some process involving moderators.


Completely agree. There are a lot of different ways to stop this kind of scam. And yes, reading up on someone and doing a thorough background check will work 99% of the time as someone mentioned, but a lot of newer traders (myself included) tend to be pretty trusting if someone has a decent ref count next to their name. I don't think many new traders would recognize a scammer using an old hacked account until it was too late, especially if the hacked account has more refs than them.

 
elowther91
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posted April 22, 2014 03:04 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for elowther91 Click Here to Email elowther91 Send a private message to elowther91 Click to send elowther91 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View elowther91's Have/Want ListView elowther91's Have/Want List
Hi everyone, sorry for all the newb questions but I just realized that this guy Macnamara was banned. I just sent him about $200 dollars worth of cards less then a 3 days ago. Do I have any course of actions or is their nothing I can do. Thanks for any help.
 
Leeroy
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posted April 22, 2014 03:52 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Leeroy Click Here to Email Leeroy Send a private message to Leeroy Click to send Leeroy an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by spaceghost44:
It would be nice if there was a feature on this site where an inactive account (like >5 years of inactivity) that suddenly starts posting again was tagged as "This person must send first in all trades."

Hiding e-mail addresses of inactive members would prevent the most common type of account theft. The period of inactivity should be less than a year, because that's how long it takes for a Hotmail account to expire.

 
canadaeast
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posted April 22, 2014 04:08 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for canadaeast Click Here to Email canadaeast Send a private message to canadaeast Click to send canadaeast an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by elowther91:
Hi everyone, sorry for all the newb questions but I just realized that this guy Macnamara was banned. I just sent him about $200 dollars worth of cards less then a 3 days ago. Do I have any course of actions or is their nothing I can do. Thanks for any help.

Sorry to find out that cards were sent to MacNamara. I think that there is no easy way of retrieving your package. Before you give up, here are a couple of ideas.

1) If there is someone residing in Windsor who can file a police report for you in person, perhaps this would lead police to check on the address you sent the package to.

2) Call Canada Post (I assume that you sent via USPS which means CP will take over after it crosses the border) to inquire about the possibility of having the mail delivery person retrieve the package because you sent to someone committing mail fraud.

I hope that MacNamara will return everyone's packages to their respective owners.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by canadaeast on April 22, 2014]

 
Jazaray
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posted April 22, 2014 04:12 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray Send a private message to Jazaray Click to send Jazaray an Instant MessageVisit Jazaray's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by nylarotep:
I was able to get this guy (MacNamara) to send first to me since I have a crap ton of refs, I'll let you guys know if I actually get my cards.

I would like for you to video tape the opening of his package, when you get it if you don't mind. An uninterrupted video please.

quote:
Originally posted by elowther91:
Hi everyone, sorry for all the newb questions but I just realized that this guy Macnamara was banned. I just sent him about $200 dollars worth of cards less then a 3 days ago. Do I have any course of actions or is their nothing I can do. Thanks for any help.

I am in contact with MacNamara and he is still insisting that he's innocent and will be sending the cards back to their original owners. He says he will keep me updated on who sent him what and when he sent them back. I, in turn, will keep you updated.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom.

Melaleuca, go ahead, ask me what it is...

Boston
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I was also able to complete a small trade (~$15 value) with MacNamara where he agreed to send first. Will post any relevant information once cards are received.
 
sears510
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Guys keep me updated I sent him about $50-60 in a trade just recently, hope he isn't a ripper if so I'm hopping on a plane to get all our stuff back
 
elowther91
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Hey guys, I have an update about my trade with MacNamara. He emailed me last night saying that regardless of what has been said about him, he still wants to complete our trade as planned. He asked me what our deal was, and for my address so he can mail out today. He promised to mail out my portion of the deal this afternoon since my cards were already sent in the mail. I will let you know if he actually does mail out and provides shipping. Then if by some miracle I receive the package from him, I will record the opening for evidence.


On another note, I called USPS and they said their was nothing they could do since it was international mail. I think I will take the advice about calling the Canadian Post and informing them of the mail fraud and see if they can do anything.

Thanks for the help guys


[Edited 1 times, lastly by elowther91 on April 23, 2014]

 
sears510
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Guys he emailed me back stating that he would complete trade, I advise everybody to do same
 
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posted April 23, 2014 05:10 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for thror Send a private message to thror Click to send thror an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sears510:
Guys he emailed me back stating that he would complete trade, I advise everybody to do same

I advise everyone that hasnt sent, NOT TO. he's already banned, there is NO way to get your cards back once you send, and no guarantee he will fulfill his end. KEEP YOUR STUFF.

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