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Topic: Do you step in?
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paragondave Member
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posted February 07, 2013 04:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by johnstown713: If said new guy was an adult I see no problem. Say a local card store opens near you and cracks a bunch of product and starts selling singles to get inventory going. You need a card and they happen to have it marked $5 lower than it should be. Are you going to ask them to take another $5 from you. Fine line between ethics and capitalizing on scenarios to put bread on the table.
You mean to say that you don't know the difference between putting food on the table and supporting your Magic the gathering hobby by taking advantage of people? Not a fine line at all.
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majicman Member
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posted February 07, 2013 04:18 PM
These are the reasons I seldom do trading anymore. Everyone trying to get over on everyone. And it is accepted in certain circles and that makes it okay? I am older and perhaps would hope people would deal with others on the up and up. It doesn't bother me if someone gets over by a few bucks in a trade. But in my mind, this was blatant thievery (I am not talking a magic card either). Sad, very sad. If you are at a garage sale/flea market let the spoils be yours if you acquire a find. But the guy goes into a gaming place with fellow players and its acceptable behaviour. Tell me, if the guy walked up the shop owner and asked him if he would like to buy the cards and the shop owner offered him 50 bucks, what would you think then? I hope Karma visits soon.
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Zeckk Member
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posted February 07, 2013 04:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by paragondave: You mean to say that you don't know the difference between putting food on the table and supporting your Magic the gathering hobby by taking advantage of people? Not a fine line at all.
Don't add in context where there is none. What if down the road you DO have to sell your collection to "put bread on the table"? I really dislike the idea that there are white-and-black answers to ethics questions, because that's not the world we live in. I've gotten great deals on magic trades by being informed and making logical guesses about meta shifts. The only difference between me and the guy in the OP's story is that the other guy was handed a deal on a silver platter.
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted February 07, 2013 04:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by majicman: Everyone trying to get over on everyone. And it is accepted in certain circles and that makes it okay?
Welcome to life, this has been going on for as long as we have been a species. It's nothing new, really wish people would stop acting like it is. Right or Wrong is no longer even a issue, fact is society says it's ok, so people continue. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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Mr.C Member
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posted February 07, 2013 05:16 PM
No offense, but if I'm coming back to Magic after a three or four year hiatus, first thing I'll do is go to Google and type "Magic card store" and see what the heck everything is selling for. Oops.
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted February 07, 2013 05:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mr.C: No offense, but if I'm coming back to Magic after a three or four year hiatus, first thing I'll do is go to Google and type "Magic card store" and see what the heck everything is selling for. Oops.
This __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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Devonin Member
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posted February 07, 2013 06:18 PM
I speak up, and I don't care if my "buddy" gets ****ed off. That is theft, and I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who would do that anyway.
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choco man Member
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posted February 07, 2013 06:47 PM
Pictures or didn't happen
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Volcanon Member
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posted February 07, 2013 06:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by Devonin: I speak up, and I don't care if my "buddy" gets ****ed off. That is theft, and I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who would do that anyway.
Actually it is not theft. Try again?
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bdrickybd Member
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posted February 07, 2013 08:20 PM
lesson learned on who to deal with. hope this guy comes back with more and refuses to trade with your "buddy" ever again
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fedorables Member
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posted February 07, 2013 08:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: Actually it is not theft. Try again?
Ever heard of false pretense or false representation? False representation is categorized under theft. __________________ ლ(ಠ益ಠლ This signature belongs to fedorables. Please return if found.
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valorale Member
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posted February 07, 2013 09:14 PM
Yea .. I definitely wouldve said something. But I wouldve been a dick about it and berated the new guy for essentially giving his stuff away considering he is an adult and should know better. Walking into a LGS and not knowing the value of your cards is asking to get taken advantage of.
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gaeacradle Member
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posted February 07, 2013 09:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by paragondave: I get the feeling that YOU are your many morally challenged friends.
Ditto...
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted February 07, 2013 09:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by paragondave: I get the feeling that YOU are your many morally challenged friends.
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PortlisX Member
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posted February 08, 2013 01:13 AM
Absolutely I would have stepped in. Not with the goal of helping the newbie though, but to offer more than he was currently being offered in an attempt to secure a beneficial trade myself. Luckily for the newbie, that would have the benefit of him getting a better (albeit probably not "good") deal.
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paragondave Member
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posted February 08, 2013 03:24 AM
All you guys that think it's cool to take advantage of other people because they aren't as hip as you, deserve whatever you get. You are all the same people looking for undervalued cards on the MOTL price guide that hasn't been updated in months and trying to score them from anyone you can take advantage of. Always the same people. Real class. What goes around comes around. I hope all of you become impotent so at least you don't pro-create.You guys need to get with the guy this thread is about and do some business, he seems ripe for the picking; http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/025818.html
[Edited 1 times, lastly by paragondave on February 08, 2013]
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MasterWolf Member
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posted February 08, 2013 03:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by paragondave: I get the feeling that YOU are your many morally challenged friends.
Aha! Brilliant.
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Bagbokk Member
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posted February 08, 2013 05:07 AM
I'd probably step in here. I normally wouldn't mess with a trade, and it really often depends on WHO is trading (there's someone here that wouldn't think twice about taking advantage of a 8-year old kid if he could, so I'd definitely step in if he was trading), but that assumes the trade is at least reasonable in some way. My threshold is probably (and also theoretically) when someone's getting a better deal than a retailer giving buylist prices + trading their own stuff at retail.I don't think it's that big of an ethical problem *as a general matter* when the guy is valuing his own cards low, and the other trader isn't misrepresenting what the guy's cards are. Same discussion as that one cryptic command sale in the T/V forum a few weeks ago...
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on February 08, 2013]
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PortlisX Member
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posted February 08, 2013 05:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by paragondave: All you guys that think it's cool to take advantage of other people because they aren't as hip as you, deserve whatever you get. You are all the same people looking for undervalued cards on the MOTL price guide that hasn't been updated in months and trying to score them from anyone you can take advantage of. Always the same people. Real class. What goes around comes around. I hope all of you become impotent so at least you don't pro-create.You guys need to get with the guy this thread is about and do some business, he seems ripe for the picking; http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/025818.html
Because clearly, a trade of collectible cardboard between two willing participants is more egregious than wishing for real maladies to strike people.
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southparker2002 Member
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posted February 08, 2013 05:39 AM
quote: Originally posted by majicman: If the "new guy" seemed like a nice enough guy, I would of stepped in and said, he could use my cell phone to look up prices. I never like to see a fellow magic player bent over in such a way.
+1
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hilikuS Member
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posted February 08, 2013 05:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Devonin: I speak up, and I don't care if my "buddy" gets ****ed off. That is theft, and I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who would do that anyway.
Yeah that's not even close to theft. Guy getting frisked agreed to the transaction and willingly relinquished ownership of his stuff for some other stuff.
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marlo213 Member
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posted February 08, 2013 05:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by AGO: Hell yeah i'd step in and hand him my binder!
Yeah everyone else at the table basically stopped all games and had their binders in hand waiting to be the next guy to trade with him. Unfortunately, he signed up for a draft before the trade and was called during the trade. It was clear that it wasn't first trade he's ever made, but I guess that makes him look even worse considering the outcome.
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Bugger Member
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posted February 08, 2013 06:05 AM
Usually what I do is just check to make sure someone has an idea of the value of the cards. Some people truly don't care, after all, but if they do ill be friendly and tip them off so they can at least make an informed decision. Am I obligated to do this? Since when do we need "obligations" to be kind to other people?
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johnstown713 Member
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posted February 08, 2013 06:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by paragondave: All you guys that think it's cool to take advantage of other people because they aren't as hip as you, deserve whatever you get. You are all the same people looking for undervalued cards on the MOTL price guide that hasn't been updated in months and trying to score them from anyone you can take advantage of. Always the same people. Real class. What goes around comes around. I hope all of you become impotent so at least you don't pro-create.You guys need to get with the guy this thread is about and do some business, he seems ripe for the picking; http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/025818.html
I missed the part where supplementing income through transactions of a collectable card game by an exchange of two willing and able parties who respectfully agree upon their own values warrants me getting stoned to death. *Willing able and competent individuals must be 18 years or older unless trade is accompanied by an adult. On a side note I was 14 when I started buying and selling cards because its in my nature to wheel and deal. I didn't have to work in high school because I made enough profit from online transactions each month. I WAS 14! I'd bet 95% of everyone I dealt with on a daily basis was a lot older than I was. I'd also put good money on them thinking they got the best of me due to my age. I took a 4 year hiatus recently and before I started throwing money around frivolously again recently I did a little homework. If you have money to buy playsets of high end tourney cards then you have resources to obtain values. But low and behold value ultimately rests in the perception of ones desire in any given moment. For all you know both "new guy" and said "scumbag" exited that transaction as happy as could be.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by johnstown713 on February 08, 2013]
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mcelraca Member
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posted February 08, 2013 07:03 AM
Yeah this is an awful story and everyone involved should feel awful.You took advantage of someone. Yeah, maybe its his responsibility to know the value of his cards. But that doesn't stop you and the trader from being bad people for not telling him the true value. If you want confirmation that you all did a good job, then here it is. Congratulations, you're ruining magic!
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