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Originally posted by Mr.C:
You know what, those cards were probably stolen, and you'll never see the dude again.

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yeah, let's assume that every time our morality gets tested. Great point Mr.C! Bring on the NEWBS!!!

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Originally posted by paragondave:
yeah, let's assume that every time our morality gets tested. Great point Mr.C! Bring on the NEWBS!!!

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Originally posted by marlo213:
Nah, his life is pretty sweet right now. He told me that he sold most of the cards for $700ish and bought a collection fo $1400 and showed me a binder (180 slots) from that collection of all angels. Nothing too garbage either, 15+ of iona, linvana, radiant, admonition, adarkar valykrie, akroma wrath and fury. Then some scatters of angel of despair, lightning, stoic, etc

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Originally posted by rockondon:
Imagine that you are the new guy. You probably haven't played in a while and you go into a new place and you're surrounded by strangers and yet, considering that they play the same game you do, they are kindred spirits in a way.

A trade like that would probably attract the attention of half the store. And as you attach prices to your cards of what they were worth a few years ago when you played last, surely if you were off then some of the onlookers would say something - no? Its a big trade but you are emboldened by the fact that if you were about to be ripped, surely at least one of the onlookers would be a decent human being and say something.

Now imagine how that guy feels now that he knows how horribly wrong he was. Every person knew he was being bent over...not one of them said anything.

I find this story sickening.

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
And once he figures out what happened to him, you just lost another possible player for the magic community because he will likley just quit due to the fact he now thinks this game is full of a bunch of scumbags, shameful just shameful.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Because magic is hurting for new players, right?

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Because magic is hurting for new players, right?

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Just because Magic has been gathering more new players than in the past does not mean that any experienced player should be turning people away from the game.

I think most people here could agree on that, regardless if one believes that is happening in marlo's story or not.

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Originally posted by paragondave:
yeah, let's assume that every time our morality gets tested. Great point Mr.C! Bring on the NEWBS!!!

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What the heck are you talking about?

I was thinking some more about it; as far as scenarios go, a random guy walks in with a ton of staples and undervalues everything like crazy. Something is fishy; it either never happened or the cards were stolen. Any person with these kind of cards isn't just a random scrub. Something's weird.

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Originally posted by Mr.C:
What the heck are you talking about?

I was thinking some more about it; as far as scenarios go, a random guy walks in with a ton of staples and undervalues everything like crazy. Something is fishy; it either never happened or the cards were stolen. Any person with these kind of cards isn't just a random scrub. Something's weird.

And I still wouldn't butt in. I like to stay out of trouble, thank you very much. You can argue the morality all you want. Nowadays, I'm sorry, there's no excuse to not know what your stuff is worth. If you care.

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Originally posted by fedorables:
Just because Magic has been gathering more new players than in the past does not mean that any experienced player should be turning people away from the game.

I think most people here could agree on that, regardless if one believes that is happening in marlo's story or not.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
From marlo's OP, sounds like the guy got what he wanted, i.e. multiple playsets of shocks. Did you stop playing magic at one point because you realized that at some point in the past you got ripped on a trade?

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And yet, again, you're grasping for justifications for why it's okay to rip people off.

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Originally posted by bigballashotcaller:
People like this are truly scumbags. They're not a grinder, shark, or anything else. They're just a scumbag. I have made tens of thousands of dollars from trading but I would never condone acting like 'your friend' has. There's a difference between making a profit ethically and gang-raping someone.

The community is what drives player participation, and you can bet that guy that got taken advantage of is not going to be part of your crappy community for long. Well done, jagoffs. I truly hope your 'friend' gets his entire collection stolen, and then laments his agonizing loss for weeks, months, or years on end.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
From marlo's OP, sounds like the guy got what he wanted, i.e. multiple playsets of shocks. Did you stop playing magic at one point because you realized that at some point in the past you got ripped on a trade?

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Well, what YOU were saying was that its okay to turn new players from the game because Magic isn't "hurting for new players." It's not okay.

And yes. Yes I have.

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Originally posted by bigballashotcaller:
People like this are truly scumbags. They're not a grinder, shark, or anything else. They're just a scumbag. I have made tens of thousands of dollars from trading but I would never condone acting like 'your friend' has. There's a difference between making a profit ethically and gang-raping someone.

The community is what drives player participation, and you can bet that guy that got taken advantage of is not going to be part of your crappy community for long. Well done, jagoffs. I truly hope your 'friend' gets his entire collection stolen, and then laments his agonizing loss for weeks, months, or years on end.

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So because he made a deal with a consenting adult, who was very happy with what he has gotten, my friend deserves to have a crime committed on him? I hope the hypocrisy god sets fire on your house.

If you don't know how to swim, don't jump into a lake. Someone SHOULD come and rescue you, but don't be too surprised if no one does. Your family can cry about how everyone was hearless when they watched you drown but you are still the one that's dead; the same applies to trading (to much lesser extend, obviously).

If taking a pic isn't super sketchy, I would love to take a pic of his next deal for you guys. The guy is a magic deal finding genius!

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Because magic is hurting for new players, right?

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This is the stupidest comment I've read on this thread. Congratulations, you've outdone yourself. Is is factually accurate? I can give you that I guess, but it is also woefully ignorant and flat-out stupid.

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Originally posted by marlo213:
The guy is a magic deal finding genius!

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Originally posted by marlo213:
~~ Your family can cry about how everyone was hearless when they watched you drown ~~

On a side note, there was this 16 yr old that I knew that was a dealing GOD! I saw him at a GP and the dude went in with a 1000 count box of bulk rares and ended the day with easily over 2k in cards (and this was when USeas were in the high 30s)

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http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002048.html
@Marlo - Why do you keep defending your "friend" if you never socialize with him outside of the store? Doesn't sound like a friend you enjoy hanging out with (or vis versa). Time for a "real" friend?

Lesson that I see from the original post is, now you know that your friend may take advantage of you if you don't know the value of your cards. Make sure you carry your smart phone at all times.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
And yet, again, you're grasping for justifications for why it's okay to rip people off.

Did your parents raise you to take advantage of other people?

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Nah, it's more about the entertainment value of seeing anonymous dudes on the internet getting morally outraged because some stranger got a bad trade value from another stranger, and is apparently still ignorant of that bad trade value. People love getting a reason to spout their morality, if given a chance. Personally, it's all bluster until I see it in action. I'd wager that most of the moral crusaders in this thread have already seen lopsided deals go down in person, and not said a word. Can't prove it, but since when has a silly thing like proof stop people from spouting absolutist arguments on the internet?

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
listen guys, someone else may have been swindled out of lots of money, but I'm the victim here!

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So you're acting childishly... and claiming that your childish behavior is superior (this of course assumes you're being serious here and aren't trying to cover your ass after being called out on a different flavor of pathetic behavior).

Man, what a punchline you are.

Yeah, silly us, for recognizing what the right thing to do is. The more words I read from you, the less I like you as a person. You seem just awful. Really.

EDIT: It's pretty telling that your stance now is no longer to disagree with the suggestion that what you're advocating is immoral, but rather trying to attack the credibility of people calling you out on it, as if that even ****ing matters.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
So you're acting childishly... and claiming that your childish behavior is superior (this of course assumes you're being serious here and aren't trying to cover your ass after being called out on a different flavor of pathetic behavior).

Man, what a punchline you are.

Yeah, silly us, for recognizing what the right thing to do is. The more words I read from you, the less I like you as a person. You seem just awful. Really.

EDIT: It's pretty telling that your stance now is no longer to disagree with the suggestion that what you're advocating is immoral, but rather trying to attack the credibility of people calling you out on it, as if that even ****ing matters.

Color me amused.

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But nobody wants to just step in on the trade, since.....you know.....they are a good trader!?!?! You see a newb getting hosed, up the offer by a substantial amount.

I'd trade an entire shock-fecta for that pile of swag. 40 Shocks! I'd even 4-0 drop FNM just to make the deal happen if I didn't have the whole 40 in my binder. You can go by whatever "rule" you want, but put money where mouth is! If someone else wants to bid higher, so be it, there's still massive margin. The newb benefits, I benefit, and you get to tell a dirtbag to go Blow-OFF!

Everyone wants to defend gun-rights (government this, self-defense that). Why not just admit that guns are cool and you want them and should get to keep them? Same deal on this scenario. Can't step up because you lack moral fortitude? Then just be a better trader!

I tried to talk moral sense into marlo but it's not happening. Then I tried to talk trade sense into marlo, still not working.

So Zeckk assumes from the OP story that the guy ended the trade happy.

If he's going to assume such a thing, how come it's so hard to see how the OP story is also shady as hell. Consider the poster (marlo), the way he portrays his "friend," and the hushed mood of the LGS as the newb is getting hosed and EVERYBODY knows it.

The story wouldn't be shady if the "friend" wasn't so clearly identifiable with d-bag binder grinders who won't shut the heck up and pester everyone with "trades? trades?" If you don't know the type, you're lucky. But everybody knows what I'm talking about.

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Originally posted by marlo213:
On a side note, there was this 16 yr old that I knew that was a dealing GOD! I saw him at a GP and the dude went in with a 1000 count box of bulk rares and ended the day with easily over 2k in cards (and this was when USeas were in the high 30s)

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But that was back-then. You do know that back-then people could pack-to-power in the span of a single GP, right? So 1000 ct. bulk should get you ~1000 pieces, right? j/k Just take your MOTL beatdown like a man.

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Originally posted by choco man:

There's a difference between a MTG deal-finding genius and a guy who gets lucky at his LGS.

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